X2. I'm glad he's "done" with this thread.

Twist everything you say? You strike me as the type of guy I seem to see once a weekend. The one that comes up to me on the dock and asks a question about my boat just to open up the conversation to talk about your boat. Then I am left listening to a guy talk about his 21 ft starcraft for an hour.

Point the finger back at me if you wish, but it is obvious that many on this forum share the same opinion, you are on a quest to prove you have the best rough water boat and the roughest water right in your back yard.

In 28 years you may finally own a boat built in this millienum, and then that will be the best of the best

On a side note I boat with all types, I have friends with pontoons, 24 ft sport boats, **** cruisers, nice cruisers, new big power boats, all types. I don't judge people by what they have, and no one hear is judging you based on what you drive. But when you throw the stones that you do, we throw them back at your glass boat, because it is so easy.

I tried watching your video again, but I can't. The dull bow makes me want to get up there with a buffer.

Thats NOT me but ok... I see how it can look but thats not me...

If I wanted a newer boat I would go get one, I fell into a very good deal on a very good looking classic Cig, simple as that..

it is a very good rough water boat and we do get some pretty serious conditions on Lake Erie thats all I said, not once did I say it was the BEST or WORST ever of either... not once... you guys took it that way...

I am actually pretty decent guy to hang out with, boat with and have lots of mecahnical knowledge of boats and such with lots to offer, so if I came off wrong I'm sorry, but like I said we all have our opinions...

you have many times told me my old boat is outdated and junk, so... your better then me??? you have more money then me??? so fukkin what... I would rather be known as a loser with opinion then a stuck up money bag.... I don't care to own a newer boat right now and probably won't for a long time as I can put whatever power I want in this and build it myself, which is where I get my satisfaction... building things.. thats what I do...

Again, in the beginning I was comparing my Cig to my Baja at the time, nothing more.....

In the end... I'm not what you guys think, if you met me in person you would see otherwise... thats all I'm sayin...

Started humble, ended in typical "full force" fashion.

You are the one that is coming across as looking down at others and their boats.

"Come race me in the rough lake erie water" "I could have newer if I wanted a loan" "Fountain is out of business" "The 42 is a better hull than your 38" "I have rode in newer and none ride as good as mine" Blah blah blah

I am sure you are a better guy in person, I can see from your thread when you bought the boat you have some close friends that you boat with, so I guess you don't the profile I laid out....those guys have no friends.

Bottom line, we can all respect your boat for what it is, but you don't need to talk trash about others to try to make your boat look better in our eyes. We know what it is, and we know what it is capable of. We can all see how impressed YOU are with your new ride, try to be a little more humble, no need to try to compare it to others that you do not own.

That baja that you once loved was faster with the same power :) You better hold on to the hull, someone might re-rig it and pass you out there :daz:

I been on many boats... many...

as far as the baja faster, yea... 2 mph and its 1500 lbs lighter...

The Cig isnt dialed in yet either..

whatever... see it how you want I don't care, maybe someday I will be as cool as you are

I love this thread....:lolhit:

Dude, let's keep it real on here ok, we both know that is never going to happen

I highlighted the key word in your previous post.

:whistle::whistle::whistle::helmet:

Me too, at least until I was asked for sexual favors, from a guy, no less!

Can we get another 14 pages in this thread ?:D

( without mentioning Apache or Card Shark or Pantera and bankruptcy)

I think we have a contest.

Just rolled into the 1000 Islands Run, there is some real nice chit here!

NO CHIT!!!

All this over two completely different boats in my opinion. 2 different builds, 2 different price points, 2 different types of buyer.

I'm sure if Cigarette wanted to build a production boat and to the same type of standards as a Baja, then it would not be as coveted. And vice versa, if Baja wanted to build a boat like Cigarette did, then it wouldn't be the affordable performance boat option for many of us.

They are what they are..............DIFFERENT and for a reason!!!!

Make sure to keep tabs on all the old chit spanking the new chit and report back. :evilb:

mcourson
 

What makes Baja a production boat and not Cig especially pre 2000. Is it the fact that they sold more than all the other brands combined.Both built by hand and both used the same aftermarket parts. Cig is the Harley of boats but there are others just as good, you just pay more for the name. :evilb: Just want to keep it going.

Read this again and tell me the differance.:eekdrop:
Keep it going its been good.

LOL, I would gladly report back if the damn "Dock Nazis" would open the docks up, boat count looks to be down from previous years, LOTS of big dollar stuff here though

"aqua mania" and the new " My Way"
Are both here, as well as a few nice Outerlimits, which appear to be ALMOST as nice as the Cigarettes that are here, lol.

Dude no reason to go over the Cig forum and seek attention...
Well Iam sure you will find some people to agree with you over there,,

i agree with you all the way with how a cig or apache is a better boat. there is a reason why they are and were used for racing. never seen a baja in any race that i can remember. cigs cost more because you get more product not just the name.

but no offense bro, if you think you're running in 4 to 6s in that video you need to rethink how you judge them waves. my guess would be 2 to 3s at the most. by no means is that baja water but i grew up on Lake Michigan and been is some big fricken waves but no way those are 4 to 6s. these pics are us in 3 to 4s running in the last SOTW in grand haven.

hahahhahaha

Alright, so how big were they yesterday afternoon at the islands/west end? All I know was BIG!

big enough for a ride to KI!

weather reports called them 5-7 that day....I say 4-6 yep... our waves are very short though so they don't look as big in things like videos, anyone that knows LE will tell you... its not like swels in the ocean that are 20-40 ft apart...totally different...

middle boat..... Clifford.... one of my good buds boats....now that fukkers a machine....and probably the best ride you could go on in a V bottom....rip Jerry.....miss ya bud

X2. Someone who can measure waves! Lol

:whistle::whistle:

There you go again twisting words, we said that YOU were an outdated POS.

You will never see the big picture, I'll try one more time

1. You bought a new to you boat
2. Your new boat impressed you (good thing)
3. Your love for your boat grew (also a good thing)
4. You started to love the boat so much you wanted to share your love
5. The response was just ok in your eyes, you thought "I must work harder to tell the world how great this boat is"
6. You took it up a notch and made a video
7. You sat awake in bed and thought "These guys just have no idea how great my boat is, must work harder"
8. You took it up a notch and started thread hopping, sharing your vid more, sharing YOUR experience, in places that no one cared
9. The waves on lake Erie started getting BIGGER
10. You started breaking the rules by COMPARING your boat to others on a chat forum???
11. You did more research (in the cig forum)and found that your boat is the greatest ever made
12. You started inviting others to race you in the now hurricane size waves in western lake erie
13. Your internet arrogance grew out of control
14. People started to bite back (as expected)
15. You ran out of responses and starting using emotioncons for answers and comebacks
16. You ran back to the cig forum and posted the above quote in an attempt more cig owners to come over and defend you.

Fountains still suck.... :)

oh yea... and you are in love with my posts so much you keep it going...lol

For a boat that "sucks" they sure are fast, especially the one that set the V Hull speed record, seem to remember Cigarette trying (and failing) to break the record a few years back, I guess it wasn't entirely Cigarettes fault since they had to have someone else build the hull.

I am a DIE HARD Outerlimits guy (they suck too?)
But, I respect what Reggie/Fountain have accomplished.

YOUR boat may have been criticized in this thread, but, I don't recall anyone saying "Cigarettes" suck.

I'm only saying it to piss him off... :)

never said they were not fast either, just said they dont ride rough as good as a Cig... thats pretty well known FACT

im running in wicked won and yes Jerry was a hell of a guy! ran 104 in that puppy with him and it's one amazing water craft. i live in SD now but spent my whole life on Lake Michigan and there is a huge difference between the great lakes and the ocean when it comes to waves. i actually prefer waves in the great lakes it's more fun! like i said man not trying to put you or your bad ass cig down. I actually saw it at KI a few years back when Jim still owned wicked won. i was with my buddy Parnel in the other Saber. Awesome boat!! 5 to 7ft waves are huge in a boat and pretty hard to really get moving in them unless you have huge power with a huge drive train that is in the Great Lakes.

So you know Jim then too... great guy!

We are coming up on 2 years without LJ... so sad we lost him... he was a great friend.

Clifford and my buddys old 41 Apache "The Chief" are animals on the great lakes.... best 2 boats I was ever in....

3's with maybe a 4' in there for good measure. Ran from Catawba to PIB Saturday afternoon.

Gonna take more than that to piss me off bro :)

I'll be out that way next year for a cedar point trip, lets do a ride comparison at 90 mph ok? :lolhit:

All things being equal, never said I didn't like your boat or cigs, I just don't like you and your ego.

This was also a status symbal in 1985, see how things change?

http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/...ear_resize.jpg

Never said I would run 90, but I would gladly run with you in 6 footers especially through the Sandusky channel ... come on 35 Knot winds!! if you beat me in them and dont have any bruises I will buy you a beer at KI..I know I wont have bruises...

I'm actually not a dick until people try to tell me I am, then I make it a point to be...

Were you on B dock? I was on the A finger. I ran over saturday from catawba state ramp in the concept.

Enough, FF. When you actually learn what 6 footers are, maybe someone will listen to your "rough water" ravings..... But I doubt it.

I'm sure a brick with an Evinrude attached handles waves too, but not my cup o' tea either. Tool.

Must be quiet on the Cig forum...... Or did they have enough of your b.s too?

:bsflag::bsflag:

You still love me too? lol

I only puttin BS on this thread since you guys wanna keep it alive, I'm ok with that... its kinda funny, I must be irritating you, I like that... :)

I have done nothing to keep this going but respond to you guys for pure entertainment purposes...

I have a 25OL, I live in Dallas so are water is nothing like a ocean, or any other big water, we have the normal boat traffic wakes, and the high winds waves, nothing my boat cant handle. There hasn't been a day on the water I wasn't smiling and appreciating my investment with family and friends!

I still get the boat all ready the night before, and can't waite till morning to get on the water, takes me 2 min from driveway to dock! I am as proud of my boat as the guy is who has the most expensive, fastest,best paint etc is of his.

I don't believe one boat is better than another, I think it's he pride of the owner who makes his boat what it is/or isn't!!

Better to be on a raft, than not on the water at all!