Carb vs fuel injection?
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this is a moote point if your selling the boat really but.
Carbs are easier to tune for a old gear head cause they are use to them. and you dont need anything special to tune them
But EFI, is 100X better, the ability to control and adjust on the fly automaticly. the problem people dont like is you have to have the computer to tune it, and know what your doing.
But thats the same with a carb. if you dont know what your doing you not going to get it right either.
Carbs are easier to tune for a old gear head cause they are use to them. and you dont need anything special to tune them
But EFI, is 100X better, the ability to control and adjust on the fly automaticly. the problem people dont like is you have to have the computer to tune it, and know what your doing.
But thats the same with a carb. if you dont know what your doing you not going to get it right either.
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That's why ''turn key'' idea gets their pants tight, so they can leave their west marine ratchet set wrapped in plastic and tucked in the cuddy. Anything more than a oil change and a random impeller, and out comes the credit card and repair bills from the mercruiser dealer.
I'd love to see some of the average do-it-yourself bar stool EFI cheerleaders, that recommend EFI on everything from a lawnmower to a airplane, go put together a custom Coil on plug port injected setup on a 1000+HP marine engine, build the system, tune it via their laptop, and have the engine running like a top. Oh, and the time frame to get it done is 30 days, not 3 years.
Very few can do those systems, eddie young, haxby, are no dummies. Its a little more involved than one thinks.
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And the guys who don't like carbs, don't know how to work on anything!
That's why ''turn key'' idea gets their pants tight, so they can leave their west marine ratchet set wrapped in plastic and tucked in the cuddy. Anything more than a oil change and a random impeller, and out comes the credit card and repair bills from the mercruiser dealer.
I'd love to see some of the average do-it-yourself bar stool EFI cheerleaders, that recommend EFI on everything from a lawnmower to a airplane, go put together a custom Coil on plug port injected setup on a 1000+HP marine engine, build the system, tune it via their laptop, and have the engine running like a top. Oh, and the time frame to get it done is 30 days, not 3 years.
Very few can do those systems, eddie young, haxby, are no dummies. Its a little more involved than one thinks.
That's why ''turn key'' idea gets their pants tight, so they can leave their west marine ratchet set wrapped in plastic and tucked in the cuddy. Anything more than a oil change and a random impeller, and out comes the credit card and repair bills from the mercruiser dealer.
I'd love to see some of the average do-it-yourself bar stool EFI cheerleaders, that recommend EFI on everything from a lawnmower to a airplane, go put together a custom Coil on plug port injected setup on a 1000+HP marine engine, build the system, tune it via their laptop, and have the engine running like a top. Oh, and the time frame to get it done is 30 days, not 3 years.
Very few can do those systems, eddie young, haxby, are no dummies. Its a little more involved than one thinks.
hmmmmm,,,not sure if thats a shot at me or not,,,,

All I can say is I have been doing this for about 33 years and been a GM master tech for the last 27 years now,,
been there done that,,points,,carbs,mechanical injection,,,TBI,,,MPI,Hybrid,,GM Volt,,downloaded programed ecm,pcm,,and I could tell you this a good running EFI engine is like a sore diick,,you cant beat it...
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I'd love to see some of the average do-it-yourself bar stool EFI cheerleaders, that recommend EFI on everything from a lawnmower to a airplane, go put together a custom Coil on plug port injected setup on a 1000+HP marine engine, build the system, tune it via their laptop, and have the engine running like a top. Oh, and the time frame to get it done is 30 days, not 3 years.
Very few can do those systems, eddie young, haxby, are no dummies. Its a little more involved than one thinks.
Very few can do those systems, eddie young, haxby, are no dummies. Its a little more involved than one thinks.
The ONLY set back is that for some reason its retarded expensive and not many do the custom tuning to marine boats. its not rocket science. I have been building and play motors for 15 years. Its retarded there is not mutiple ways to retune a Merc motor.
For example LSX motors (Vette, cameros, caddys, all gas cehvy trucks ect.) HPtuners, LS1edit, and more are out there for these open software options, you can load on a laptop an tune your custom set up. There is NO reason a Wide band cant be used, and go testing, and tuning. and have a AWESOME reliable EFI tuned boat.
Why is something like this not out there for mercs?
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I disagree completely.
The ONLY set back is that for some reason its retarded expensive and not many do the custom tuning to marine boats. its not rocket science. I have been building and play motors for 15 years. Its retarded there is not mutiple ways to retune a Merc motor.
For example LSX motors (Vette, cameros, caddys, all gas cehvy trucks ect.) HPtuners, LS1edit, and more are out there for these open software options, you can load on a laptop an tune your custom set up. There is NO reason a Wide band cant be used, and go testing, and tuning. and have a AWESOME reliable EFI tuned boat.
Why is something like this not out there for mercs?
The ONLY set back is that for some reason its retarded expensive and not many do the custom tuning to marine boats. its not rocket science. I have been building and play motors for 15 years. Its retarded there is not mutiple ways to retune a Merc motor.
For example LSX motors (Vette, cameros, caddys, all gas cehvy trucks ect.) HPtuners, LS1edit, and more are out there for these open software options, you can load on a laptop an tune your custom set up. There is NO reason a Wide band cant be used, and go testing, and tuning. and have a AWESOME reliable EFI tuned boat.
Why is something like this not out there for mercs?
I just said converting to a custom EFI setup for a marine engine isn't as easy as people thinknor as cheap as people think, especially when you get into the big power stuff. Then you reply saying Im wrong, and then ask the questions you did.
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hmmmmm,,,not sure if thats a shot at me or not,,,,
All I can say is I have been doing this for about 33 years and been a GM master tech for the last 27 years now,,
been there done that,,points,,carbs,mechanical injection,,,TBI,,,MPI,Hybrid,,GM Volt,,downloaded programed ecm,pcm,,and I could tell you this a good running EFI engine is like a sore diick,,you cant beat it...

All I can say is I have been doing this for about 33 years and been a GM master tech for the last 27 years now,,
been there done that,,points,,carbs,mechanical injection,,,TBI,,,MPI,Hybrid,,GM Volt,,downloaded programed ecm,pcm,,and I could tell you this a good running EFI engine is like a sore diick,,you cant beat it...

Id love to sit here and recommend efi to everyone myself. But not everyone has the funds, nor the means, to run EFI in every application. Stock mercury power, heck yea. For the guy who wants to bolt some blowers on, or some aftermarket heads and cam, theres nothing wrong with bolting a carb on.
Some of the EFI cheerleaders make it sound as if, god forbid you have a carb!!! '' How on earth are you even gonna get any boating done! Youre gonna be stuck at the dock with your fouled plugs and burnt pistons!!! Is it even gonna start?''



