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XT

I bought 40 OL cover from you & realize that your pretty much the Baja guy.
Found a 40 OL poker run w/ carbon fiber hull 4 bolsters etc, appears to be complete & in good order less power & drives.
This really is my dream boat & was thinking I would make an offer on it. They are asking 60 thought I would offer 1/2 that what do you think??

Thank you brother for your input.

Jimmy

goin to PM you pic / info, your mailbox is full

Sweet boat we seriously considered buying. But the hardware required to rig that boat is worth more then the boat will ever be worth. Especially because the boat has been dropped from a crane onto the trailer/ground. Not the end of the world be there's no resale value. Plus the boat has the wrong size notch in the transom. It also has the wrong X-Dimension. SO it runs SLOW. Twin 850's with #6s runs slower then a NON poker run twin 700/NXT 40OL. sucks I know. SO you basically would have to reengineer the entire boat, center of gravity, X-Dimension, put even bigger power in it, and still be slower then every other boat out there, have way to much money into it, and have no resale value. Trust me I am a die hard Baja lover and tried every which way to make this project work, Talked to XT on the phone plus many others. Went out a bought a Cigarette instead!

The boat and trailer is Worth 20K max and you still will be upside down rigging it with 700+hp and #6s all while being bored going slow.........

If you could carve a couple of steps in the bottom so that it wouldn't take a brazillion HP to make it run, then you might have something.

I rode in it back in 05'....it was a pig.

Thanks guys for your input, would have been my luck to end up w/ the Poker run boat they dropped!

Thanks again,
jimmy

I don't want to come down on anybodys attempt to sell their boat, so I will just say this: Keep the 40ol you have!

XT

XT

Thanks again for input appreciated as always, keeping my 40OL no matter, plenty for central OK. Thought I might get a "project" and received some really good advice here.

Thank you all much,
jimmy

PS got any 40OL stuff im interested.

This is boat, right? I always thought it was one of their best looking boats.
http://www.topspeed.com/boats/baja-m...w-ar42139.html

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What ever happened to Split Decision?

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WOW...That Sux!

I was told by the dealer who sold it that it went to someone in Oklahoma

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This is it, planned to power & run hard, but as we see it'll be a no go.

Thanks

jimmy

I still think it is a cool looking boat.

Now if a person didnt care about the top speed/handling as offshoresxcursion & XT explained that it isnt layed up the best and had lets say extra money laying around.

Put a couple of what ever engines and drives in her and just idle around from one marina to another or bar to bar if your at LOTO :) It will still turn heads.

LMAO!!!

You must me talking about my Baja Poker Run boat 'cause this is what I hear all the time "Fat and Slow"
I don't think throwing cubic money will help either aspect of these traits on that boat or mine.
I just hope when repowering I can at least get close to 80 with more HP.
73 doesn't even feel fast at all in this sled.

See ya,
Kelly

So just to clarify (because I'm slow, lol):

It is this boat: http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-Run-102119565?

And what exactly is wrong with this thing (hull design problems, etc). Was it rigged for twins or triples? What kind of power would it take to move this thing above 70mph? Just curious as the boat looks beautiful!

READ POST #2!!! Wait i will just repost it....

That 40 pic was my screen saver for 6 + years, was in love with that boat!

Or if you want to go FAST keep yours and buy this! :lolhit:

http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/30204

That is really impressive for a straight bottom boat of that size

92NSX - thank you.

I read that post but wanted some more detailed info like how it ran (actual mph) and with what power. what kind of power/drives could be put in this thing to make it run around 70mph? Also, is the damage to the bottom fixed from the drop and how will the repair effect the performance of the boat, if at all? If it could be had for the right price and I could get the power to push this 'dog' to 70mph it might be something worth considering at the right price. I know no-one on here seems to think so but I don't need a blazing fast boat and I honestly think this is one of the best looking boats I have seen. It's a longshot and something I probably wouldn't do but it might be worth considering.

FYI - I called the number on the listing to try and get some basic info but got no answer, twice.

I get what you are saying, but not that boat. The paint, the bolster, all business cabin, see through hatches, spoiler....you show up with that, and you better be able to make some noise and put down a number. With small power that boat would be no different to me than a Fiero with a Ferrari body kit.

I just spoke with someone @ Velocity and they will power this boat, raise the x dimension and sell it with a trailer and not for a bad price.

LMAO!!!
But abslolutely true, she's no 40' cruiser.

However, if a man can pick her up in the mid 20's to mid 30's and slap in some decent power 500-550hp I'd feel certain it would run mid 50's to low 60's and be in the boat for 50k+-
It is a doggone good looking boat, just not at 60k as is

See ya,
Kelly

last ad I remember seeing for it, it didn't have engines or drives, just transom assy's

Does that price figure in # 6 drives/props, trannies, and the exhaust/pipes for the front engine ?.....those alone could exceed the value of the thing.

Or is this a re-rig with something like 525's and junker XR's ?

well Team,

original power was #6's & 850 SCI, w/ 1075's you might get 90's, legendary marine in Florida (NOT Dallas) quoted me 195k for new 700's & #6 drives installed.

Just a side note a 35 lightning w same power is a 120 mph boat, at Legendary.

Im as big a 07 or earlier Baja fan as there is, well next to XT, and your right the boat in question is Baja's #1 in my book (appearance), but my lead sled runs 79 w/ trip ho's just no way to power this boat & run strong for less than its worth or even close (250 I bet)

jimmy

ps that 33 previously mentioned just may be the perfect Baja balance. gettin it

WOW !!!
You'd really have to love that machine with all your heart and soul if your willing to drop that kind of coin on this boat.

I'd bet she'd run a bit faster than 90 w/1075's
A neighbor/buddy's 40OL w/575SC's and 871's runs mid 80's on stock engines after swapping blowers.

Good luck with your decision.

See ya,
Kelly

Just curious, how much coin and what would the power be???

See ya,
Kelly

Just curious eh? They will power it with 525's and XRs and raise the x-dimension on the boat. That may not be good enough for some but it would run well if you get the dimension right. I don't know much about Velocity but I'll assume they do a good job...

$120k with a trailer, and I believe there is room to negotiate.

To be honest, all the naysayers on here fail to realize that if someone doesn't do something like this it is likely that the boat will just sit for a long time. I would rather see that hull rigged and running, even if it's just 70-80mph. You don't have to be 'putting down a number' unless your only goal is to impress others and show off. My goal is just to enjoy boating, quickly but not insanely quickly, lol.

IMO 120k w/525's and XR's is still way over priced.

This is starting off a lot like my boat did.
Here sits a Baja Marine, factory campaigned for a season, promotional Poker Run boat with issues, for sale.
She leaves a bit to be desired as it sits.
Draw up a contract subjecting it to a survey on hull and moisture penetration with a low offer 30K+-
If the repairs were performed in order and theres no rot this is a great start for a build.
Allow 30 to 40 in reserve to repower and add driveline.
You should end up w/500-600hp engines w/trannies and drives that should have no problems with the lower power output.
You may not hit 70 but it would be a respectable speed near 60.
Your investment would be about $1000 per mph.
I don't think that boat is worth even 100k w/525/XR's
I'd bet you can find clean undamaged ones in that price range with 575's and no issues for sale.
I'm no expert by any means, these are just my gut feelings, LOL

See ya,
Kelly

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$125K (plus they will hit you with TTL and what other fees they can think of since it is from a dealer ) dose seem high knowing its history.

120 will buy a lot of boat with no stories in today's market. That pic of the boat on the pavement will haunt that "investment" forever.

Again, 70mph in a boat purpose builti for day running PR events is comical, I don't care. It's not about "showing off" it's about what that boat was built for, that ride would be terrible for a day anchored on the water.

Now, put that boat back together for half of that 120 and I could see the compromise.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think repowering a very nice looking boat is a waste. Velocity seems to think it can be made to run 70mph with this power or more. I'm no expert on the design of this boat but I'm guessing they know more than I do. I also think they will do it for less than 100k or around 100k. You can buy a lot of boat for that money but this is a very nice boat. I think the biggest concern is the history of the boat, as pointed out, not the power.

Like a real Nice 37 Outerlimits

This is one of my favorite boats to this day and I would love to see it back on the water.

Just curious, what should the boat have run, mph wise, with the 850's, # 6's, and the proper setup? That is a big boat and they are not known for hull efficiency so I am just curious.

As far as dropping it, was it repaired correctly and it is structurally sound? Has it been surveyed since being fixed? There was just a cover story about the MTI that flipped off the trailer and was repaired and nobody really balked at that since it was repaired properly and the surveyor said it checked out.

I completely agree about the pic of it layed out, dropped and damaged, on top of the trailer and the tarmac. The only forseable buyer would have to be a newbie who knows not what happened and not an avid enthusuiast of the sport as our memebership.
I think the speed thing is relative to the buyers mindset of his expectations, if he wants less he'll be satisfied with less as the money savings dictated his performance reward or lack of such.
Another thing I believe is the advancement of hull dynamics and top speeds with the new boats since the turn of the millenium has a big influence..
In 96 (my boats mfg year) I'd guess that mid 70's in a completely factory stock, as delivered from Mfg, flat bottom, very wide, and heavy boat was acceptable to the masses, whether they be enthusiasts or not.
Today fans of the sport have higher expectations of performance, Someone here posted recently that 80 is the new 70. I feel it's true, mine was acceptable 18 years ago but for us to slow in todays go fast mindset.
I'd like more but deal with what I have.

I don't think 2 stock 525's would push this boat to 70, but I may be wrong.
My bud's 40OL was a mid 70s ride with 2 stock 575sc's before swapping to 871's.
I'd love to be entertaining the thought of this purchase, it is certainly a very beautiful boat but comes up short for weekending.
My guess is no galley, head, storage locker for clothes, and no AC.
That would ruin it for me as I'd have to go back to the gofast mindset, Biger power and more respectable performance numbers.
If not overnighting and simply being a day boat is the objective the extra cost of big HP isn't worth it. Jump on it cheap, strive for 70+- and be happy with a wicked good looking ride.
If I did pursue it I would make a contract at 25-30k and if they countered I wouldnt go over 35. Then I'd make the surveyor completely aware of the previous structural damages and ask him to preview them and moisture penetration very closely.
I'm certain the guys at Velocity are awesome and would hope they seriously investigated the repairs. You can't go wrong using them unless you pay 100-125k with used 525's and 6's. If they're new engines with factory warranty placed ahead of refreshed #6's and the structural repairs are acceptable as is to the surveyor, Velocity, and yourself it would be doable as a boat I'd call a keeper and not sell anytime soon.

Just my .02

See ya,
Kelly

For all that work, hang 4 eggbeaters off the back. 80 is the new 70 and absurd is the new Baja.

According to Velocity it was repaired impeccably. They also believe two 525s with the right x-dimension will power this boat to 75 mph. The guy I spoke with there said it may be possible to push this boat to 80 mph with that power with some modifications. I'm no expert but I believe they are smarter than all of us on this matter.

Damn, I forgot how negative people are on this forum. Whatever, if I can convince my fiance to let me buy this thing for 100k and it runs 75/80 mph I might seriously consider it...but she'll probably say NO, lol. Trying to get her to agree to sell the 292 Islander is hard as it can comfortably seat 10/12 people, something I don't give a sh** about but she does!

a beautiful boat for sure!
But.
$60 + "at least that" (anyone who thinks they can power & drive for less on a 40' Baja, bro it just will not happen)= $120 for a top of the line PR Baja that runs slow. And as mentioned no cuddy comforts whatsoever.

So Baja's #1 poker run boat ever, being that the 40 is the largest in the OL/PR line, it is just that a "Poker Run boat".
It is what it is folks.

If you were in the Dealership of your dreams w/ the Baja of your dreams would you buy this boat knowing its power & speed even if you didn't know its background???

Go paint your machine for $20 & repower, good to go w/ cuddy that has at least a cushion in it.

At the end of the day whosoever would be the end of the line for this 40 OL will be someone who loves this type of Baja w/ very deep pockets & a large shop for show & tell, maybe somewhere way north where the lake/sea is frozen 11 months a year?
Or better yet that someone buy it for me & I'll power/drive & send some "Naples vintage pics" for your show & tell?!
Now we're talkin!!

Gettin it

Jimmy

Pretty sure Velocity is not actually "smarter" then us just motivated to "sell a boat and make profit" :lolhit:

Again that boat is sweet but the way it sits 20K is to much money unless your absolutely in love with it.

By the way pretty sure the boat is not even at Velocity I have no clue why they have it listed the boat is in Canada right now

Yeah, they confirmed that it's in Canada in a warehouse.

That boat @20k would be an awesome score
I still believe it's fair market value would be around 30k in spite of the repairs
If just sporting around for pleasure and being happy w/60mph it would make a great boat with moderate power.and loud exhaust
99% of the people who see it on the water have no idea of what it was before and will claim "that's one of the most badass boats I've ever seen."
See ya
Kelly