33' Outlaw x-dimension
 

I know some of you guys have changed your drive height and the height was different from year to year, so.... Whats the best x dimension to run on a 33' without extension boxes?

This should be interesting, Im wondering myself, I know -2 lowers help, corrently looking for some

I think the -1/-2 may work on the older boats like mine (99) but im not sure they work so well on the newer ones. Basically Im just looking for some real world experience. I'd also like to know what people experienced when changing from 1.5 to 1.36 gears. It's time for a drive upgrade for me and im just trying to get my ducks in a row on what my best possible setup would be with out doing it 5 times and learning the hard expensive way.

When I measure from the bottom of the hull to the center of my prop shaft, on the inside of the drives, I get about 6.5-6.75. If im not mistaken these boats are supposed to be fastest when that measurement is about 4.5?

agree, thats why I said -2 imco or speed master

I'm not sure if the 33 outlaws are the same but I know the factory raised the x on the 29 outlaws two inches in 2002

mine are deep as well, I had read that late 01 or 02s had the X's raised on the 33s and 342 that added a little speed. 4-5mph I think

I am curious about this as well....

Dave at XT would know for sure

mines a 2000 model so I know their deep.

4-5 is alot. I just talked to him yesterday about getting some vinyl redone. I should have asked him.

yep.. keep us in the loop!!

I am at 4.25 with boxes and labbed 4 blades. I would think 4 inches is too high with no boxes. 5-5.5 inches is safe if running 4 blades with no boxes. You arent going to pick up 5 MPH on a 33 so its not worth the aggravation. I've run combos from 2 to 5 inches and once you get over 3 inches its REALLY tough to get on plane even with the boat empty.

Jaay Tee will have the answer!!

Jaytee has boxes though, and we don't.

When you guys reduced your x dim did it change your engine rpm's at all with the same props as before and after?

PCAT, you are dancin with the devil. Leave it alone. If you go with shorties, the IMCO bullet doesnt give the bow lift like the stock lower. So, for all the money and time you will gain nothing unless you are re-rigging to use stock lowers. On my boat, JT's boat & Crayola Crazy's boat the stock lowers were faster than IMCO's. If you want the speed, go get more horsepower. If you insist with tinkering on the drives, get the props labbed by BBlades. The only other thing that picks up speed was plugging the low water pick up holes in the bullet and re-epoxy the bullet nose. It picks up about 1.5-2 MPH at WOT.

The only person running high drive height with no boxes is Crayola. And his Baja aint a Baja. He has a bigger pad and bigger strakes.

I've already got the bigger power. It's time for a drive upgrade. Thats the reason for the thread. If' im going to spend the money on new drives id like to get the best setup the first time.

What year is your boat Keith?

are u running neutral boxes, don't you mean once u get under 3 inches

2003
Stellings boxes, propshafts at 4.25 running bravo lowers, Bravo 1 28's labbed, run up to 5600 RPM, I think my slip was down near 12.

I cant remember a lot of this I havent fooled with it in a couple years. However, I tried everything down to 2 inches and the props couldnt and wouldnt carry the bow.

Stellings boxes up all the way.

The only person I know running at or under 3 inches is JT and he is running 5 blades... But dont forget he has a poker run cabin too. So he doesnt have to carry that much weight in the bow.

How much power Keith?

Im running 28's non-labbed, and my engines are built to turn 5600 but the best I can do per the factory tachs is around 5000 rpm at 77-78 mph. No boxes, and 6.5-6.75 on the prop shaft height from the bottom of the boat.

My ears were burning...I just wandered off of Bourbon Street, back to the Monteleone and thought I'd check in, so forgive me if I don't make total sense.

02' was the "x" change took place...I would check with Dave @ XT and see if he has any info on the amount of increase over the pre 02' and base it on that....if he cant provide that,
maybe call Hawkeye and see what they ordered for drive height on the 33's they ordered....those worked well.


don't go to 1.36...you are no where near the point where you run out of the good props available for a 1.5

I've run 80-81 spinning 28's also

What power/drive height setup? I could probably hit 80 with a set of labbed 28's but I think I may be better off going to a set of 26's with some cup work?

Motors dyno'd 630 a side, stock X no mod's, bravo 1's 1.5 gears

Around 640

If you go higher "cup" will be mandatory or it wont carry the bow.

Okay, now lets find out who's who.... Are you guys spinning in or out? You will need to spin in once you get higher. I feel like a broken record - or it wont carry the bow. LOL

Records were before my time... I'm spinning out...

stock rotation, out

in to win:)

What HE^^^ said- Now get back out on Bourbon St lol

Nooo way... they wash down the streets/sidewalks in the AM and that stirs up the vomit, so the ambient aroma isn't that pleasant:drool1:

TOOK THE WORDS OUTTA MY MOUTH!

Thats right - In to win!

Nasty!

Being a rookie I was pretty surprised by this post regarding the low water pickups, would the same apply for a drive cooler that has 2 pipes through the plate?

1.36 gears are generally used when you spin to many rpm's and the pitch is not available. Generally cats with 1000hp that are spinning 32-34 pitch props are running 1.36 gear ratio.
Maybe going to a 1:65 ratio you would see some mid range improvement because you would need a larger prop to keep from over revving. Depended upon your engine setup.
Generally 3-4 inches below the hull i think would be a noticable difference in top end.

Just watch out for the Horse patrol sweep around 4am or so to clear the streets- We were there Halloween a few yrs ago. CRAZY!!

wait... they used to spray sanitizer out there when they washed the streets down.. they quit that?? maybe the ex mayor took all the funds. May have to look him up in jail... :-)

As for the IN comment, I am not turning the HP you guys are, but my 770 (both sides) felt squirrely spinning in, it felt good until I was running in some trailing wakes. I prefer the stability of spinning OUT.

also the first thing I noticed when I turned IN was the lack of reverse thrust...i.e. what people describe as poor dock manners. trimming (+) helped a little to direct thrust beneath hull,but not a good as OUT!

also.. wish I would have known you were in the qtr, I am only work about 20 min from downtown, could have joined you for lunch!! I think Ricks has a good buffet (.)(.)

I tried to run a set of 29p mirage plus when I repowered. Blew out before ever getting on plane.

I didnt like the 25p m+ either. ran great, got on top easily, but blew out in turns. Felt like you were falling over. That and once I brought it down south, I couldnt push that prop in the heat and humidity down here.

Just made a run yesterday for a best yet of 66.3 with the labbed 24p b1. 1/2 fuel and just me. 79 degrees and 40% humidity.