Is there actually a fast Baja hull????
 

I have owned 4 Baja's, a Scarab, a Formula, and a Sonic while being in the performance boating community. The Scarab was the most likely to be considered a fast boat in my eyes. It was a 31 Viper flat deck model. Pretty much a race boat. But the Baja's seem to have a lot of cockpit and cabin room. And they are well........affordable. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks $40K is at the top of the price range and then we can build power.


Soooooo.........I currently have Ron Sporl built power in my 280. Still prop testing and have to do something with trim pumps but the boat will run upper 70's with 5 people. I really want something that will run mid 80's with my power.

Without being crazy, is there a twin Baja that will run mid 80's with 1100 hp????

My 33 OL ran 82/83 with my Smith power 630 a side............so no I don't think you can get there with 1100 pony's

edit: I just sold it w/o power

When my 575's were stock ( 1150) it ran 85 on average...but it isn't your standard issue 33

I'm pretty sure a 30 O/L would though

I doubt it. I have been tweaking mine for almost 10 years and barely at 85 with 1200.


Can anybody comment on the 35? I thought it was a touch faster than the 33?

I'm happy with 60 MPH

the 35 should be a bit faster than the 33 with higher X, my bud's 35 is fast but has a chit ton more power in it

60 for the Titanic is good.........:coolcowboy:

The 30 Outlaws ran about 80 with 496 HO's, but a friend had one and said it got real loose at that speed also.

The 29 Outlaws had deeper X was more stable but a little slower. Another friend has about 700hp a side and runs upper 90's with his 29.

The 33 is a lot more boat though and I'd go that route over a 29 or 30.

78 all day long in my 35 with 525's, not WOT. Drop the passengers, gear, coolers, 100gallons of fuel, and low to mid 80s.

My 30 did 78 WOT. Love the Baja's for the cabin and cockpit room/comfort, and handling in chop. Didnt buy it for the speed.

There will always be a faster boat on the water, a louder stereo on the water, and so on......

AS a recent purchaser of a '96 Baja 302 it seems I'm with the common Baja owner on comfort. I wanted a offshore (design) powerboat (the noise) but with creature comforts. Compared to the Formula of the same vintage and length the Baja is HUGE! I'm sure it has to do with the bulbus shaped forward hull and extra 1' width.

d At 6'1" I can almost stand in the Baja, I was bent in half in the Formula's cabin and it was way narrower as well. With a fridge, sink, and burner counter as well as a porta potty head (locker) the Baja still seems much larger. In the cockpit you can actually walk around while the Formula you had to turn in place. Seems I'll be able to seat 3 across the bench, 1 behind each bolster seat, 1 in each bolster, and 1 between each bolster seat if I want to.

Powerwise, 660 total hp should keep me entertained for awhile being it's my first boat. Not to mention it's for family enjoyment, no reason to scare the wife, in-laws, 'rents etc. If I want to get the need for speed out of my system I'll hop on one of the 3 sportbikes and do a trackday, or take a drive on a back road in the low 10 sec. hobby car.

Baja226sport,

I'm with you on the price range. While I can afford a 6 figure vessel I dont' see it providing me with return on investment difference over where your top range sits, which just so happens to be mine. I'm also happy that I came in at half that price on the boat mentioned above.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/b...ller-deal.html

My old 302 with 500's ran 84 gps light load 80 gps any load any day. Full galley and head.

Know 2 33 OL's run 82 ish with 500's

My numbers are GPS not a wish O water meter, real Dyno tested engines, Im not buyin in on mid 80's with a 1000 hp

Had mine up to 78 once.. have 385 a side.

Had a lot left, but had to slow down b/c one of the tires starting bouncing a lil at that speed! :-)

Bajahahaha remember those 500's are only 470 HP at the prop.:angry-smiley-038::lolhit:

Those Smith Power 540's must have been measured at the distributor....or maybe the water pump :eureka: Surely NOT at the crank. Everyone knows all powerboat HP ratings are at the prop.:stooges:

Remember its an OL ( Outlaw ) not an OL ( Outerlimits )

I guess believe what you want. I've got gps pics of all 3 boats doing 80+ feel free to PM your email I'll send them to you.

Not that I don't believe you, but got any vids....that would be cool. Some stuff to add to the off season rotation.

Can't post here cause I'm not a paying member

You can post youtube links

Stock 500's 470hp rated at the alternator because everybody knows powerboats are rated at the alternator.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0bnsbnve.jpg

Irish, your 302 and the .38 are both reppin the brand big time. You did a great job on them both, I'm anxious to see how the big pig runs, she looks killer. Link some pix of them for the OP.

The 302 runs well over 80 with 470HP 500HP's and boxes, or the one Irish built did/does.

Just pokin fun ^^^Jersey. Cheers fellas.

That's fun to watch. How fast? Need some narrative.

That's what the speedo pic is from. Was running 84 gps

Stock 500's at 5500rpms????? What model Baja???

2003 Baja Boss 302

The EFI 500 boats were mentioned as having 1000 HP, just trying to be clear.The other quoted dyno HP numbers in this discussion (630 a side for the 83mph 33OL) are obviously measured (full dress with wet headers) at the crank....but so is the EFI 500/HP, so its all apples to apples. We don't want to complicate matters by calculating loss thru the different drives and the variables that entails.

It's clear, the 1260 HP 33OL is slower than the 1000HP 33OL. Which was the original "question". The 302 loved the boxes and 500's. She ran out and looked bad azz doin it. Cool boat.

They're running it. My buddy bought a Hawkeye 33OL with factory 500's and boxes and it GPS's 82. I was on a friends 33OL with stock 525's and boxes running 83mph on GPS Smart Craft displays.

You can throw all the horsepower you want at a Baja, not setup properly and it will not run. Baja's need boxes, drive heights need to be raised, wheels with bow lift need to be ran and long kplanes need to control the boat running on the pad. It can be done.

Baja proved themselves that throwing horsepower at the boat wI'll not make it run, 850sci's and #6's in the PR 40OL named "Spotlight" and the boat labored to run 84mph

The Checkmate 43 Punisher, another prime example, 700sci's boat ran a lackluster 85mph, new owners experimented with the hull, mainly the edges of the steps and improving prop efficiency and now the boat runs 94mph, no change in horsepower yet a 9mph difference.
http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-ne...-and-top-speed

It's all in the setup. Those 630horse Smith motors are powerful, but so much horsepower is wasted to overcome the inefficiencies of the hull, drive heights and so on. No disrespect to anyone's boat I just believe that there's more top end to be had in a 33OL with 1260ponies sitting under the hatch.



In IT's Boyne video, the 2 lines in the water are from running negative tab to push the stern up as the wheels carry the bow making the boat lighter in the water.

JT, I missed your comment, yes my boat has stock trim, and with a post like #11 was I or anyone else to believe we were not talking about anything but stock, didn't come up later that they had junk in the trunk, I guess if I would of hung 30K worth of stuff off the back, blue printed the bottom and extended my swim platform 4 foot Id be in the high 90's :bunnydance::bunnydance:

And post #12 following post #11 was stated it can not be done with 1000 horsepower. But it has.

I have a 40OL with triple 500 EFI's, Stellings Boxes, labbed Hydromotive QV4's, Blue printed bottom and hitting the limiter at 5250 rpm, outside props turning inwards, drives trimmed up significantly, k planes pushing the bow down slightly - 91gps, less than 1/8 tank of fuel, good choppy water.

My reply was early on in this discussion....the OP asked about being able to do mid 80's

Mid 80's to me is between 83 to 87 ....if you're able to run on average at or above 83, I'd say that would constitute running mid 80's.

As we all know, conditions play a factor....I can have a 4 MPH swing between the best and worst conditions.

Jersey is right on the set up....boxes and 380's set the boat and give it the right angle of attack

I can knock 2 to 3 MPH off just by running with the tabs up and running outside rotation.

I even went with iron heads when I turned mine up, just so I didn't screw up the center of gravity

And he's right about spot light......the ride I took in that was a total let down...85 down river,
79 going up.

I still stick to my original statement with saying a 30 will do it on average.

A 33 ( or a 29, 302, 35) might be able to do it, but it will have to be set up and in ideal conditions all the time if it's going to " on average", run mid 80's with the power said above

The quotes in question were concerning a 33 OL not a 302. Always apples and oranges. Post up a pic of a 33 without $30k worth of hardware hanging off the back and 1000 hp running mid 80's if you want to correct someone.

Thank you for moderating the OP's thread. First, the original poster opened up his thread to discuss all twin engine Baja's capable of 80+ which includes a 302. We'll start with simple math since "30K in hardware" is misleading the original poster. Both 33OL's I discussed have stock top to bottom Bravo 1's, the Hawkeye 33 was sold as a new Baja with Stellings boxes installed and runs 82GPS. The second 33OL again stock Bravo 1's has had used cheaper IMCO boxes installed and runs 83.
Here's some new prices
IMCO box new -----------------1800 x 2 = 3600
IMCO shaft new.----------------- 750 X2 =1500
IMCO steering mounts --------450 x 2 = 900
A 6000 dollar investment, no where near ShortBus's "30K in hardware".
The twin engine Baja 302 we discussed had used IMCO boxes, stock Bravo uppers with -2 IMCO lowers also bought used.

I bought my IMCO box and shaft used for 1500 and bought the steering arm new for 450, $1950 total

Who cares, my 30K number was if I was to do mine, I don't care what you spent,............... to the OP if you want to be the fastest Baja out there you now know who to call.

You're welcome. It's always interesting, when the experts check in, to watch for all "the facts" to be posted using apples to oranges examples....again.

The first 8 replies are all great. 2-3 highly modified boats (or examples) and highly experienced owners, that don't run over 85, as well as more reasonably equipped examples of 80 MPH Baja's.

As the discussion moved to the 33 you post up the 302 video for the purpose of punking 33 outlawsst.....which then immediately gets questioned "5500 RPM's on what model Baja?". But you made your point.

Here I go again, but the fact is, to the OP's question, it takes a chit ton more (set up and hardware) to make a 85mph 33 outlaw than just his 1000 hp "without getting crazy". Two guys with the boats +one 342 who've installed said power quoted their numbers (MPH and $$$). Using a hawk eye set up boat doesn't represent what he's going to find for a hull to install his power in. But I'm sure he knows that.

It's well established the 30 will run 79.9 with 496ho's what ever horsepower they may be. Most folks would call it 850 hp. So the 500's boxes and shorties are good for 4-5 MPH over stock, on a 302. Sounds like the ~30' boats are the consensus to run 80's with 1100 hp.

If anyone cares, I just got back from a 92 MPH run....just me and a few mud ducks and
a nice calm 56 * Iowa afternoon:drink:

Best post on the thread by the most qualified poster on the board, RE: 33' 80+ MPH twin engine Baja's.

Disclaimer* may need to be read really slowly.

Edit: to me, 85+ is "mid 80's" high 80's start at 87. You know, just for arguments sake.

Ah Perry..... I really appreciate all your sarcasm and accusations. I'm going to disconnect from this thread but do me a favor and read post 19 where the OP asked for a YouTube link.

Nice work JT running 92 in your OL.