Dean at Bravo Shop completely screwed me!!!
01-11-2010, 10:10 PM
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The best advice I can give you is that through your emailings as to price and terms (shipping, delivery date, etc.) you guys somewhere formed a contract. The Seller accepted that contract when he accepted your wire transfer, and ultimately breached his contract with you when he failed to deliever the goods. The UCC governs the sale in the United States, and you should be able to fairly easily sue the guy in Florida court to get your money back. The only problem is... You're in frickin' Norway and its likely going to cost you more to sue the pr!ck than you'll get out of him.
IF you would have used a credit card or an escrow company (I HIGHLY recommend escrow companies... how they work is you pay THEM, not the Seller, you get the goods, you call the escrow company and tell them that you've received the goods, tell them that the goods were as described and you are accepting the goods, and THEN the escrow company releases the money to the Seller) then this whole process would be much, much easier.
If I were you I would contact a Florida attorney (a collections attorney would probably be best) that does business somewhere near the guys place of business. I would tell them your situation, send them any info you have, and ask them if they would take the case on a contingency basis. Using a contingency agreement you don't pay anything to the attorney and they only get paid if they recover some form of money for you. That said, they generally keep a % (probably 50% in this case), so you're more than likely going to be out 50% of the transaction amount, but that's better than 100%.
You could also get the attorney to TRY to get the Seller to ship the goods (if they even exist), and pay the attorney for their work (it would probably take a couple of letters and a couple of hundred dollars).
You could try telling your bank of the fraud and see if they can un-do the wire transfer, or retract that money from his account (I doubt it, but I don't know what Norway's laws are), but I doubt it will do anything for you. You may also be able to sue the Seller in Norway, but it isn't likely going to do much good, because you're going to have to come here to enforce the judgment anyhow. If you need help finding an attorne I would use Florida's State Bar service, or the yellow pages. I would NOT go with someone that has a big flashy ad though. I would look for someone that has a respectible ad and someone that seems professional. Most law firms will talk to you by way of email, and most will provide some sort of advice for free. Just keep looking until you get comfortable with someone.
IF you would have used a credit card or an escrow company (I HIGHLY recommend escrow companies... how they work is you pay THEM, not the Seller, you get the goods, you call the escrow company and tell them that you've received the goods, tell them that the goods were as described and you are accepting the goods, and THEN the escrow company releases the money to the Seller) then this whole process would be much, much easier.
If I were you I would contact a Florida attorney (a collections attorney would probably be best) that does business somewhere near the guys place of business. I would tell them your situation, send them any info you have, and ask them if they would take the case on a contingency basis. Using a contingency agreement you don't pay anything to the attorney and they only get paid if they recover some form of money for you. That said, they generally keep a % (probably 50% in this case), so you're more than likely going to be out 50% of the transaction amount, but that's better than 100%.
You could also get the attorney to TRY to get the Seller to ship the goods (if they even exist), and pay the attorney for their work (it would probably take a couple of letters and a couple of hundred dollars).
You could try telling your bank of the fraud and see if they can un-do the wire transfer, or retract that money from his account (I doubt it, but I don't know what Norway's laws are), but I doubt it will do anything for you. You may also be able to sue the Seller in Norway, but it isn't likely going to do much good, because you're going to have to come here to enforce the judgment anyhow. If you need help finding an attorne I would use Florida's State Bar service, or the yellow pages. I would NOT go with someone that has a big flashy ad though. I would look for someone that has a respectible ad and someone that seems professional. Most law firms will talk to you by way of email, and most will provide some sort of advice for free. Just keep looking until you get comfortable with someone.
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01-12-2010, 12:14 AM
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The best advice I can give you is that through your emailings as to price and terms (shipping, delivery date, etc.) you guys somewhere formed a contract. The Seller accepted that contract when he accepted your wire transfer, and ultimately breached his contract with you when he failed to deliever the goods. The UCC governs the sale in the United States, and you should be able to fairly easily sue the guy in Florida court to get your money back. The only problem is... You're in frickin' Norway and its likely going to cost you more to sue the pr!ck than you'll get out of him.
IF you would have used a credit card or an escrow company (I HIGHLY recommend escrow companies... how they work is you pay THEM, not the Seller, you get the goods, you call the escrow company and tell them that you've received the goods, tell them that the goods were as described and you are accepting the goods, and THEN the escrow company releases the money to the Seller) then this whole process would be much, much easier.
If I were you I would contact a Florida attorney (a collections attorney would probably be best) that does business somewhere near the guys place of business. I would tell them your situation, send them any info you have, and ask them if they would take the case on a contingency basis. Using a contingency agreement you don't pay anything to the attorney and they only get paid if they recover some form of money for you. That said, they generally keep a % (probably 50% in this case), so you're more than likely going to be out 50% of the transaction amount, but that's better than 100%.
You could also get the attorney to TRY to get the Seller to ship the goods (if they even exist), and pay the attorney for their work (it would probably take a couple of letters and a couple of hundred dollars).
You could try telling your bank of the fraud and see if they can un-do the wire transfer, or retract that money from his account (I doubt it, but I don't know what Norway's laws are), but I doubt it will do anything for you. You may also be able to sue the Seller in Norway, but it isn't likely going to do much good, because you're going to have to come here to enforce the judgment anyhow. If you need help finding an attorne I would use Florida's State Bar service, or the yellow pages. I would NOT go with someone that has a big flashy ad though. I would look for someone that has a respectible ad and someone that seems professional. Most law firms will talk to you by way of email, and most will provide some sort of advice for free. Just keep looking until you get comfortable with someone.
IF you would have used a credit card or an escrow company (I HIGHLY recommend escrow companies... how they work is you pay THEM, not the Seller, you get the goods, you call the escrow company and tell them that you've received the goods, tell them that the goods were as described and you are accepting the goods, and THEN the escrow company releases the money to the Seller) then this whole process would be much, much easier.
If I were you I would contact a Florida attorney (a collections attorney would probably be best) that does business somewhere near the guys place of business. I would tell them your situation, send them any info you have, and ask them if they would take the case on a contingency basis. Using a contingency agreement you don't pay anything to the attorney and they only get paid if they recover some form of money for you. That said, they generally keep a % (probably 50% in this case), so you're more than likely going to be out 50% of the transaction amount, but that's better than 100%.
You could also get the attorney to TRY to get the Seller to ship the goods (if they even exist), and pay the attorney for their work (it would probably take a couple of letters and a couple of hundred dollars).
You could try telling your bank of the fraud and see if they can un-do the wire transfer, or retract that money from his account (I doubt it, but I don't know what Norway's laws are), but I doubt it will do anything for you. You may also be able to sue the Seller in Norway, but it isn't likely going to do much good, because you're going to have to come here to enforce the judgment anyhow. If you need help finding an attorne I would use Florida's State Bar service, or the yellow pages. I would NOT go with someone that has a big flashy ad though. I would look for someone that has a respectible ad and someone that seems professional. Most law firms will talk to you by way of email, and most will provide some sort of advice for free. Just keep looking until you get comfortable with someone.
Thanks again,
Ivar Grannes
Last edited by ivar grannes; 01-12-2010 at 08:58 AM.
01-12-2010, 10:39 PM
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The title of a thread makes all the difference,Like my Mcleod bad business thread, do a goggle on the business's name and it will pop up.
http://www.google.com/search?q=bravo...x=&startPage=1
http://www.google.com/search?q=bravo...x=&startPage=1
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01-13-2010, 12:20 AM
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01-13-2010, 09:55 AM
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The title of a thread makes all the difference,Like my Mcleod bad business thread, do a goggle on the business's name and it will pop up.
http://www.google.com/search?q=bravo...x=&startPage=1
http://www.google.com/search?q=bravo...x=&startPage=1
http://www.fedspending.org/faads/faa...ype=T&sortby=i
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01-13-2010, 10:26 AM
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this also poped up when searching:
http://www.fedspending.org/faads/faa...ype=T&sortby=i
http://www.fedspending.org/faads/faa...ype=T&sortby=i
SBA was very liberal on giving away money back then. Your kid's lemonade stand qualified for one of these loans back then.
Well that is what it looks like anyway.
