The Most Interesting Man in the World comes to mind...here we go again. :rolleyes:

Sorry Mikey,

But if it is so great over there, how come you guys keep sending $$ to race in the states???

Gino and i had mediation...but the mediator kind of laughed about his proof of backing out !
I keep and kept my part of the contract !
No court yet, i cant wait.

Petri...different DUDE same story, all talk and no walk.

Mika, a brainless little boy that got left behind and a 100% wannabe... nobody over there ever heard of him racing anything , or something like that !
+ he got all we agreed on.

On the 3rd and last note, when he raced with me it was the old class 4, 85 MPH they changed classes NOW 80 MPH max ..so a lap speed of 68-72 MPH is right on the money ...HE HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE HELL HE IS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT !!!! Oh, i forgot he knows everything about everything !:lolhit:

The work is in progress, becuse whe try to do it properly and firm.

PETRI, proof your case already here.....the only thing you have in progress is your big mouth !!!!!

You and i , maybe some others know that i am correct and thats why u have all these excuses to kind of make me look like i am the bad guy on the forums where i cant defend myself !

How about comenting on other forums...WHAT IS WITH YOUR BOATMAD thing ?

You are one heck of a liar..i can tell you that !:angry-smiley-038:

:readinghelp:

Weak soup, Rick.

My view- if I had the means and the desire to visit America...
maybe do a little boat racing and have some fun...
I could see some real attraction for people in Europe to 'race in the states'.

If I ever travel overseas on vacation, I'm prety sure I will try to time it to intersect with some sort of water-related racing. :drink:

Speaking just for me, and I know that all the facts aren't available yet, but this whole affair stinks.
It appears that three different people were taken advantage of
by a 'racer' with a known history of... sketchy behavior regarding money transactions.

This does not help the image of our sport,
regardless of who you believe.

Well spoken Jayboat!
 

USA has the greatest racing! No doubt about that, nowhere on the planet can you see fast going Fountains with big blowerpower or amazing Cats with whining turbines. And to get a chance to be involved with racing in same events as these wonderful machines is almost worth dying for.
And if you meet a guy that promises to let you be there, for a fixed price. You are really happy that you meet him, he sends the raceshedule of OPA and SBI and you discus wich of the races to join. He even has a paintscheme on his boat that make you feel realy good! You make a contract and wire some money. You buy your flight tickets, plan the vacation, tell your friends, just have great expectations. And then it starts to turn uppside down when he starts arguing, hanging upp the phone, and tell that he wants payment for his services, wich you have not orderd anything from. Then you get unfriended from FaceBook and finaly he send you an fake invoice and you end upp owing him money!!

We are not here for fun, or interested in make another person look bad. We event havent time to spend here.
But when you have been called a liar in public and inhumilated like that, becuse your only crime was that you sent money.
When someone steals my money and then tryies to make me look bad with the most advanced lies becuse he needs to get an alibi for his fraudulent actions and make me to a criminal. Then it is personal!

Now, are you talking about me or yourself ???
i mean the aliby thing and the liar part !

Petri, tell the whole story PLEASE !!!!

Thou doth protest too much...
 

Too bad that Mr Wonderful is banned from OSO.
in the interest of fair play and full disclosure...

I'm being called bad names :crazy:
and my facebook message box is receiving propaganda telling me he is innocent-- that he was the one who was taken. :popcorn:

He wants to meet in Miami in a couple weeks to discuss things...
something about my use of the word 'sketchy' in reference to his past...

:picard1:

It's always the same with these cretins... Trick, Sunkin - the lot of em...

they live in a mental bubble- like nobody talks to anyone about their BS. :angry-smiley-038:

Sorry that you have to experience that in this way!
He also want to meet us here and there....seems like important to him i wonder why, and what he wants to do?

BAD NAMES ???? you told me to go phuck myself and i only asked you what you are refering to...OMG ,,, is this a joke here WTF !!!!!!!!:eek::lolhit:

Having spoken to all 3 racers that have had issues with Scott and having brought it up to other racers and higher ups I have come to the conclusion that there definitely is a problem and it stinks when this happens, but it is not up to any race organization to rule on or dish out punishment. It needs to be resolved or mediated in a court of law. As the old saying goes there are three sides to every story and in this case there are more then that. Besides racing our own boat I have payed for seats in other boats and was treated like royalty, the reason I have stated this is to let the racers who feel they were wronged know there are other options when finding a seat so don't give up. I haven't spoken to Scott about this so I don't know his side. If the soul purpose of this thread was to give a heads up to other racers to watch out when dealing with Scott I think that has already been accomplished. Anything else should be handled in court or through mediation. My opinion, Louie

Louie, which 3 racers ..there is only 1 and that would be Gino !!!!

AGAIN, i kept my part of the deals they did not !

Point taken Jay,

But boat count is boat count, if he wasnt payin' John, trust me he wouldnt be there, as for where the $$ comes from, that is his personal biz, wont be the first time $$ was obtained illegally to go boat racing.:eek:

I guess now you are all NUTZ...my driver is paying for these races !!!!
Nothing illegal going on here.

if gino would have payed, he would of raced with me.
Same for Petri, but instead he wanted to screw me on a 950 dollar deal so i said NO !
Mika....well , he raced ..although the boat only made it 2 laps back then ( sorry ) but there is never a guaranty for finishing in racing !

think what ya all want guys, i have a race in 2 weeks that i have to go to and no time for all this kindergarden BS where people that lie think they can turn the story around !

Louie,
We are more than just us three that have been ripped of by this man, there are many good skilled craftsmen that hasent got payed! There are other racers and ex drivers that have been treated really so bad so you wont belive a person could sunk that low. So it isnt just something about "each side of the point" here it is to much smoke to not belive there is a fire!
So are you not responsibel as a raceorganisation?
When we go racing you have: medical teams, safety inspections, closed areas, controlled areas,
pit marchalls etc etc. Much control over: material, technical, physical but what about the moral and economical??? If there is no doubt that here is a teamowner that rippes of teammembers, steals there money and belives he will get avay with it becuse nobody dosent care? Are you not responsibel some howe?
Are you not responsibel for all other serious racers and there teams and families? I guess they will not want to be mixed up with people that do these kind of criminal acts. So you are responsibel how this sport will develope as i see this.

Yo dude, Louie is one of the nicest most stand up guys you will meet at the races, he puts enormous time and effort without compensation into not only racing, but putting races together, But he is not your mommy, he is not your high school guidence counsoler and he is not your preacher. You have a beef with DD, settle your beef with him not everybody else in the sport. Yes it sucks you got taken, I feel for you as I dont like seeing anyone get taken but dont expect Louie or anyone else to clean up your mess.

Look at the history of this sport, would it exist if the morality police were out at every race? D.A. sold boats to drug dealers, should we ban every cigarette from competition because your neighbors sisters cousins ex boyfriends booty call smokes dope? Kramer supposedly has him killed, should we ban every racer that has ever owned an apache for supporting a drug smuggeling murderer??

Man up, stop whining and go after the guy who phucked you over, not the rest of the world.

Well said Phragle.

You say look at the history of the sport. I say look at the future of the sport, otherwise, the history will have a good chance at repeating itself. The guys in Europe are getting screwed by a boat racer in the U.S. By banning the guy who is being fraudulent, you take away the opportunity for any more fraud to take place. Then, you go after him for the money that is owed. I can understand the plight of the guys from Europe. THEY ARE NOT FROM HERE! The sanctioning bodies allowing the racer, who is scamming, to race is essentially enabling the fraudulent scheme. If the a ban is imposed on the racer, it is easy to check by contacting the sanctioning bodies to see if the racer is legit. At current, he is legit because he is allowed to race and the scam is allowed to go on.

I'm glad that you stuck-up for Louie. However, he is a big boy and can handle himself. And for the "he's not your mommy" comment. Grow up and act like an adult. Childish playground remarks like that are uncalled for and make you seem unintelligent.

I never claimed to be intelligent, Im just a drunk who likes boats.

I think what he is saying is that the race org shouldn't be playing judge, jury and executioner. I get your point and completely understand why you are upset, but could you imagine if the race org had to decide on every disagreement that came up like this? It sucks, but I think you need to go after DD and not bring the race org into this.

Agreed,

He didnt scam the org, he is ACCUSED of scamming some guys from far away, and the contract is questionable. I have no dog in this fight, and I am not the biggest Daredevil fan out there, but innocent until proven guilty comes to mind.

Man i hope somebody of you guys could read my posts on here.


I dont want anybody to like me , i can care less....but this is very very uncool and absolutley untrue !!!!

Scott

You are right! He didnt scam the organisation and so have we never said, but in my case he used the OPAs Registration Fees as reason to get me to make payments in advance to him. And OPA confirmed that he hasent payed registration fees so far yet. And proof of this has been sent to OPA.
My idea was that maybe OPA was interested in what was going on and that there is a person that might hurt there reputation in the long term.
In Europe in almost all sports it is that if you have a waiting court sentence or have big suspicioins against becuse of that you for example: Might hurt the organisation etc etc you will get banned from participation till the proof of inocense is made.

Ofcourse no harm on Louis, he have been werry corect and serious in our mail conversation and most importent he takes it seriously and even answeres here. So all respect for that!

This is gonna be a long one...

Basically it´s a lot cheaper to race there....

FYI even today your race gas costs way less than our low octane E10 and the regular pump gas is ½... just one example...and the cheapest. the list goes on to owning mandatory semitrailers and CDL drivers ( that´s how I earn my dough..) for them for transporting etc over here.. looking at million dollar equipments to have something equivalent, Europe ain´t cheap.

But to answer your question it´s more of a vacation than racing for many of us to race there.
I speak of myself only now ; when I at least put a helmet and racegear on I shut my lip and drop the hammer. Intercoms are used only for emergencies, just like in warfare.. radio silence.
Therefore the only Races basically in my book would be the Bimini and back plus Long Island races and such. In my book KW is just womanizing and partying <3 :evilb: the WC title is nothing to hang in the Xmas tree compared to UIM titles.

Regarding organisations OPA is worth considering even from here what I´ve followed but thenagain we have the Worlds Oldest offshore race Roslagsloppet just 250 miles from my place and In England there´s the toughest of them all THE Cowes Torquay Cowes Race to consider. Also the Round Britain Race and London Monaco race´s are held or going to again, for those who can afford such.

So basically it´s all about money, if we had loads of it we´d race here and in the Mid-East and live well off in an Eagles Nest somewhere in the Alps and relax on the Med :drink: .. just ask Pat Weissman Nigel Hook or Steve C about our racing.

Do you really wanna a list....it´s gonna be a long one...

Well Jay he wants to meet you because you´re a thru and thru Gentleman so he has nothing to fear, except to run outta gas or the subbie break down on the trip.
Regarding a guy who by his own words has pimped and dated prostitutes since age 15, taken every imaginable junk up his innards in every imaginable way, can´t even read or write his native or mother tongue, had to flee a country he´s lived his whole life basically etc and now all this makes you using sketchy a true gentleman and James Bond a pugilist...
No Offense Jay you´re a class act 100% and look forward to meet you many times again.

Did OPA official claim he's not paid yet or can anybody comment on that?:drink:

I have got an confirmation that the fees are not payed.

I never said i did pay them , i said if we are going to run in SIB ( OPA ) we need to pay the fees before the race !

I am not registered with OPA i am registered with SBI !:grinser010:

The reason Petri, u payed upfront was because i told you that 50% of the agreed price is due NOW...had nothing to do with any fees ! + u sent money for a Helmet and a T shirt, that are both yours and here !


SO STOP YOUR LIES BRO !

WTF....:lolhit:

Go ahead if you need to supply a list. We over here tend to do our things move on and plan or the next adventure. Bragging, running on, one upmanship are not well liked over here. It's an American thing.

LMAO Phragle I think this line is going to go down in history! It probably fits 99.9% of boat racers past and present! Bad Reputation please don't think I don't care about your situation. It's just the way things work in the states, if you prove your case in court you will get compensated for your losses. The problem here is that with the amounts your talking about it will be hard to find an attorney who will take your case and not wind up costing you more money then your out. We are boaters and racers just like you and all have our stories of being ripped of one way or another, as a matter of fact no matter what Motorsport you are into there is always a risk of getting screwed. In the future, if you are going to pay for a seat in a boat to race check with the OSO crew and get some info prior to sending money, I do. Good luck, Louie

PS thank you Mr. Phragle u got ma back!

I don't care about your situation.

people, dont u get it ..I DID NOT STEAL ANYTHING !

oh man....

SpeedGirl, where is the proof they where suposed to send ? why is it not posted ? THIS IS REDICILOUS AND NOT FUNNY AT ALL !
I have e-mails from them aswell and i can proof my case that this is a big lie ! just because i am me does not mean i deserve this !
If all this goes to court ( which i hope ) then maybe i should file against OSO aswell for leaving this on here ?!

Scott

this is just one of the e-mails from Petri Nagy...which you can see somewhat that he knows about the other agreement we had ..but aperantly its not in writing and thats why he feels its not an agreement !

Dear Scott,


We have only a contract for boatracing wich you cancelled and all my wired money has to be rewired to my bankaccount according to agreed contract.
There is no written contract of other ordered labour or other services betwen us.



this is what i wrote him previous ..... and thats when he got pissed and changed his tune

Petri, seriously now.

Please listen carefully !

I dont want anything to do with you anymore , you are making changes to often and i cant work or do anything like that.

First you said we ( I ) fix the boat here completley since you have no boat engine shops in sweden....clean the bilge and make the engines look nice !
I contact my engine builder , the blower polishing guy and others that i may have this coming to be ready for fast turn around ! THEN U CHANGE !!!!!!

I now called everybocy and canceled all of this as well as the shop i am using to work on the boat .

I told you how much i want to inspect the boat and tow here to work on , first you kind of agreed ( actually you did not say anything against it ) now you only want to pay by hour for this ??!

Look, please leave me out of all your endevours since this is not how i work.
If i do anything on a boat i guaranty my work and the performance of the boat . If you dont want this boat to be in perfect condition then thats fine , you will learn quick there is a lot more to it after this went under.
The transmissions need to be taken appart, the drives need to be gone thru..same as engines..since i bet even if engines did not have water in them the transmissions and drives had 100% . ( since the air bleeds of them are way lower then the valve covers )

So , now.. please let me know what you are willing to pay me for my previous help with the deal on this cat and other stuff, then e-mail me your bank info and i will get the remaining money to you as soon as i can. ( it wont be long ) !

About racing , FORGET IT !!! there is no way i want you or somebody like you in my boat !!!!

Sorry it all turned out that way, i thought it would be cool at the beginning but after your control freakiness and non trussting brain damage i think this is the best way for both !

I am 100% serious , so dont even try to convince me. I MADE THIS DESISSION AND IT STANDS !

Find some body to help you with all of this and you will maybe see later what i ment !

but even then ..do not contact me ! I already know the outcome of this since i been there often with thers and in the beginning even my self !

I tried to help you , but you are way to hard headed to even take the slithest chance of help . SO MOVE ON AND HAVE FUN !

Thanks, Scotty

as u can see, i gave him the chance to tell me how much i can keep for the other deal....and that was when it went south since now i was a liar and he wanted it all back..well, thats not how it works, i did my part on our second ( not in writing acc to him ) deal so i wanted to get paid. SIMPLE ..NO ?

well said.
 

Well written!