Finaly Got A Bt 46sc Triple
 

We, finaly decided to purchase a BT46SC triple , and are very happy about it. After inspecting a hole bunch of 50 Hustlers, and Nor-Techs, we chosed the BT mainly for the aminities all over, and the huge cabin, Sea trialing it, proved to us that the handling is just as good as the others. We want to THANK very specialy ROGER the plant manager the " GURRU" that seems to know BT in & out, and all of his employe(e) (s) that work on our boat. Bob the president for his patience ( he will probably have hightmares about dealing whit US,) and a special thanks to Clay, Ray,and Rich from MD.
Their conviction into the BTs permitted this deal to go true.
We traveled from Canada twice to Hannibal, and both times where pleasant, and helpfull dealing whit all of these peoples.
We had alot of reserved into the deadlines to get the boat ready for the 21/09/07, but the achived that goal very professionaly and we are very happy & satisfied whit the hole process, again THANK YOU all over at BLACK THUNDER for everything.:ernaehrung004::cool-smiley-026:

Pictures..... We need pictures!!!!


Congrats....

Congrats. Our maiden voyage in our twin 46 was with 10 other BT's from Miami to Key West. The triples just ate up the Atlantic. The third engine pushing deep in the center just plowed through the big water. You'll love it.

Thanks all of you, We will get pictures posted by this week-end ( will take some better ones).
Boat was previously know as " NO COMPROMISE" this triple as 500 EFI, spinning 30 Bravo outsides & 32 Bravo center, I have seen 83.9 GPS ( blew the wakes at a 35 Fountain sunday) Unfortunatly it also as XZ drives rather than XR, ( but runs nice), We want to have the engines re-fresh this winter and where thinking about adding WIPPLES, Does anyone out on this Forun tried Wipples on 500EFI ?
Curious on how many extra HP this will add, and eventualy what kind of speed it will do ? How about Engine Life and reallibility,is it worth it.? :cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-027:

Was this it?

Sinkorswim,

THATS the ONE, WE love it, plus the paint is kind of to our taste, this Boat is know in Montreal, Canada, doing only freshwater,:cool-smiley-011:

That boat ran with us on our maiden voyage with the BT crew aboard. It is one of them eating the Atlantic. Ran very well. With trips, the XZ's should hold up. They were a good drive. Whipples will come with intercoolers so keeps the stress on engine internals down a little. Whipples are a very good package and I would expect you would see a lot more speed. Steve David on OSO added whipples to his twin 500 efi BT. You should bend his ear and he'll have a lot of good info.

Congrats, Welcome to the family.

THANKS THLWL, I do hope that Steve David will read this post and give me some feedback and infos on IS experience whit wipples on 500EFI, I have heard alot of good about is experience whit BT, and he is very knowledgeable about these boats. WE are also very happy to be in the Black Thunder Family:rolleyes:

Fantom X Whipple questions
 

Hi (Bien venue) and welcome to the Black Thunder family! As for Whipples, they do make a wonderful package giving all around balanced performance. However, you will tear up outdrives. the 500EFI with Whipples will develop about 700 HP at the crankshaft and over 740 lp of torque. All that torque happens in the mid 3000 RPM range.
I was willing to put up the with the drive issues because (well because I'm really stupid) and also because I really enjoyed the performance of the Whipples. (Mine was a 43 with triple 500 EFI's originally) We would cruise at 3200 RPM and 63 MPH all day long. Several trips to the Bahamas and Key West getting about 1 MPG. We ran in the upper 90's at WOT with P-5 Hydromotives, 29 pitch and 1.36 drive ratios. With 34" labbed Bravo 4 blades at 5450 RPM we ran 97MPH. I found a better mid range and better overall ride with the P-5 hydromotives. Got on plane real easy, stayed on plane at 25 MPH.
So, if you go with Whipples,(Dustin Whipple and his Dad are good people, straight forward, helpful and a pleasure to do business with) plan on spending about $9,000 per engine for the Whipples and install cost. Then plan on upgrading to XR drives, and new props, there goes another $7,000 +/- per engine. Those 500 EFI's are looking pretty nice right about now, aren't they :) But I'll bet you'll do it, because like the rest of us, you're nuts and want to go faster.
When you do, call or e-mail me and I'll be happy to walk you thru the install, best props, gear ratios, mounting for fuel pumps, plumbing etc. The fellow that now owns my boat is in Southern Pennsylavnia. Maybe you can make arrangements to visit him and take lots of installation photos to give you some ideas? He's a really pleasant fellow.
Congratulations again on your new boat. You're going to love it. The Black Thunder is a rock solid boat, great people build them, and the follow up service is second to none.

See you on the water,

Steve David

Congrats on the boat. Check with Steve David or the factory if they have done any ASD-7's conversions.
http://www.arneson-industries.com/pa...ravoConversion
This drive will easily handle your upgraded power. Hustler have used them on many V's, but have to be set up properly. Just a suggestion. Good luck with the boat, see ya on a few poker runs.:ernaehrung004: Jeff

DID you actually sea trial the nortech and hustlers, If you did I dont think you would say the rough water ride is similar. As long as your happy good luck , we'll wave at you when we go by you in rough water at the poker runs. you'll see how good the BT is when you try to sell it

Congrats!!! You'll love that boat!!!:ernaehrung004:

















Is it really necessary to act like a douchbag when someone buys what THEY like???????:rolleyes::Whatever:

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Was there really any need for this post?

The guy picked a boat that he and his family LIKES. It fits their needs and he is paying for it with his money not yours.

There are a thousand different brands bacause everyone has different taste in their boats.

If you cannot congratulate a fellow boater on buying his dream then you probably should leave the thread alone.

I'm use to this BS on the Baja side but I guess there are people willing to cut us all down to feel better then others.

If I see you on the water I will be sure and wave!

I hope he really enjoys the boat and has very good luck with it.

BUDDY 00, We did actually Sea Trial a 50 Nor-Tech out in NC, boat was a 9, big issue was the quad set-up whit XR drives, made an offer on it, then foud-out was a nightmare to convert to triple, We decided to drive to FL, and then inspected ARTEMIS, (we did not like the paint job + Genny missing) and the sticker price was out of reach, we did make an offer, refused, WE sea Trial 3 different Hustler 50 all with 575SC, and a top speed of just about 85.5 gps, they all had about 450/490 hrs, all at aroud $275k, 2001 models, Last one we tried had such a bad vibration in the floor at 75 mph we just kick aside Hustlers all together( BY the way all required repainted the decks, serious peeling problems, and stress cracks all over), So in a Nutsheel, we bought a 2001 triple Black Thunder sitting on a trailer, whit all aminities, super paint job for weel under the $200k figure, Why would we spend the extra $85/105k, if we cant tell the difference in handling out here on our lakes, By the way we even inspected PREDATOR but this boat his way out of reach price wise and we did not like to many things on it,.After checking out about 12 different boats all summer WE THINK WE MADE THE BEST POSSIBLE PURCHASE ON THE MARKET KNOW.

That is all that matters.

Best of luck with the new boat and ENJOY!:D

Congrats and I really love the BT's...being 6'4" its kind of hard to find a go fast with that head room

This is the second time I know of that Buddy OO has bashed the BT's. Wonder what his objective is? He must have connections to the other 2 boats referenced! Fantom X - love the way you put him in his place with lots of research and facts! If you also notice on OSO classifieds, there are always only about 6 ot 7 BT's for sale at any given time because people like them and hold on to them!

Thanks Steve for the input, I think I did shake is hand( the new owner of Your previous 43) We where down at Tomes Landing in MD for the Poker Run in August to inspect Marks 04 46 triple, and we also talked whit Rich from BT. Bob also mentionned to us Your great help whit BT, We will do some rechearch this winter on the Wipple set-up, But I must point out to You that I still dont understand How it could be that this 46 triple 500EFI cant reach 83.9 mph, We tried several Hustlers 50 575SC and could hardly reach 85GPS, Does This paticular BT46 500EFI have someting different that You Know of ?
The Canadian Black Thunder Dealer here as a 2006 46 triple whit 525 and barely reaches 85.MPH gps ? Would it be the X dimension wright on the spot, Thanks For all the infos.

I've heard that there is a range of dyno numbers on the 500 efi and Merc doesn't release those numbers. Some just flat out run better than others. Your boat ran very well on the KW run to where your motors must be at the top of the dyno range. Also, the XR's in the 06 boat do require a little more power to turn due to the stragith cut gears. You have one of the best running trip 500's they made. Congrats!

WTF??? Some people.... can't leave well enough alone.

morning Tommy!! How's da 525's today? I changed the tabs on the NorTech Sunday - so of course we had to take it for a spin on Monday to see how it handled with the longer tabs - perfect!! Nice little run to HWY 146 @ 115 wasn't bad for a Monday either.

Fantom X - Congrats on the new 46!! I've seen Tommy's and those are really nice rides!!!

Guys there is a reason for the post that your not aware of. there is another side of this deal you all dont know of. There was a scheduled sea trial that one party did not show up for and the other party spent a half day cleaning and a day waiting, o by the way it was saturday of shootout weekend.

Buddy OO - Take it up with them off the site. This was about someone buying a BT and you bashed BT because someone didn't show up for your sea trial. Got's nothing to do with the boat but you bashed the ride. Unfortunately, missing test rides happens A LOT in the boating industry.

Guys, don't worry about Buddy OO. It's not his fault. Let me explain in scientific terms. Out of every 3.5 million humans, one is born with the "reverse growth gene", medically knwon as RGG. You see, the "normal" human begins as a rectal cavity but during the gestation period, converts to a fully functioning human. Then, there is Buddy 00. In his rare case, he actually began as a fully functioning embryo, but during gestation, and post partum growth, he returned to the rectal cavity state. So you see, not his fault, just nature at work.

Have fun, enjoy whatever brand you own, we're quite blessed to enjoy the toys we have.

Steve

I just spit out my coffee!!!:D:D Cheers to you Steve!!!:ernaehrung004:

PS-That ride on a Black Thunder that Steve David took my Wife and I on in 2002 in Miami for the boat show is still one of the best boat rides that I have EVER been on! Thanks again Steve!

Craig Hall

Holy Chit I've got to remember that one!!!

Capt Ross

Just to get the record straight whit BUDDY OO, I sent him a e-mail asking where the boat was, He replied he had a couple of folks due in on the saturday to check his boat, I had to figure out the address at the LOTO where the boat was sitting,since he never answerd my request, I wrote to him to confirm, but his reply came in too late, We where already driving to MO (21 hrs), After sea trialing the last Hustler in MI, We then called Buddy 00 to avised we where 8.0 hrs away from LOTO and running late,( we where actualy in Springfield IL) asking him to confirm he got our message, and would be waiting for us the next morning ,after all his last e-mail was to tell me he had someone flying in from NC the Saturday morning to sea trial his boat. We did not want to drive that extra millage if boat was sold, So We called the Friday at 6.00pm, Buddy00 called me back at 4.00 pm the next Saturday!!!! obiously this action does not show a lot of INTEREST on his part!! does it !! So I dont think he was cleaning up for us, We where at that time whit Bob Jenkings. Maybe running after too many rabbits One loose a couple !!and besides these facts We did see advertisement on is boat at $179k, then $199k, and know $249k, so I image He must of invested alot of money ON HIS BOAT since we spoke. We made we think the best choice.:hitfan:

Steve cost us well over $300K on a test ride at Miami Show in 2005! Because we went out and bought one!!!!!!! Tommy ps: Steve is like the E. F. Hutton commercial - when he speaks, people listen!

gUESS thats why they say there is 2 sides to each story, just a few details missing, yes the boat has a 3 new rebuilt motors and drives now, went from 199k to 249k once I found out book is over 310k on the boat, Enjoy your BT , you seem like a great guy just wanted you to experience the 50 nortech. glad you are happy with your boat, no hard feelings here.

We were fortunate to get a ride on a BT at the Miami Boat Show in '06. I believe Steve was the person who gave the 4 of us a ride!! It was awesome and loved the ammenities.

good one Steve:D, if you search Buddy's posts you will find that at every opportunity he bashes BT. At one time he might have been a Nortech dealer, but when I made a post on that subject my PM's went off the hook telling me he was NOT associated with Nortech and no one would say why, sure makes you wonder............. I am thinking perhaps we should ask OSO to ban him from this section because he is obviously a stalker waiting to pounce any chance he has.

BTW congratulations on the boat, it is a beauty, I may have missed it but where do you plan on doing your boating.

Maybe this is the reason Nortech has distanced themselves from him. Although I will say Nortech like BT is a good boat.

Damm that was good:ernaehrung004:

yES i WAS A DEALER FOR nORTECH in 2004 and 2005 , sold boats at LOTO for Terry, Fact.. I have personally owned 3 Nortechs and currently Drive one. I have a great relationship with Nortech and continue to support their product. I made a huge investment with Nortech to be a dealer with them, however I'm primarily a general contractor. The market at LOTO just does not support a dealer and over 1 million investment in inventory of boats, I have alot of experience with Black Thunder, have been to plant several times and driven over 6 of them, I have my opinion of the boat and have only put facts of my experience on here , so if you call factual information bashing then that is your opinion, I say if your happy with your boat , enjoy it . so I will sign off now.

Jim,

WHy don't you just admit you have a problem with someone at Black Thunder, In fact you say you have driven over 6 of them, I have a feeling you could not mention the owners of 6 black thunders much less any of them owners letting you drive their boats.

The one boat you regularly bash is teh 2002. What you need to remember is that you have told a lot of people about all the boats you have supposedly sold but no one ever backs up your stories.

You say your a general contractor, but what projects have you ever completed. (We are still waiting for Supercat Cove) I would of thought you would of made sure you were ready by the OSS races.

Also somone so involved as you say you are in the lake area, why did not you not get involved with the OSS, SHootout, Lake area visitor and Convention Bureau, YMCA, etc... just something.

If you are the LOTO dealer for Doug Wright cats like you have told numerous people, where is your showroom, where is your Doug Wright cat, WHy don't you live at the lake. Wouldn't it make more sense to be at the lake to sell boats at the lake.

Lastly, Please do us all Black Thunder owners a favor!!!!! Don't go away mad just go away.

Ok smartboy, first of all I know Bob Jenkins and his son, have spoke with them several times about there boats, Spoke with his son about going to Mizzou for college which is where I also went and graduated then got my MBA. I have been in business for myself for 17 years. Have built over 100 houses in St. Louis, 12 at lake of the ozarks, 6 over 1 million $, 15 other custom homes in other Missouri cities, I have sold 5 nortech's, 4 bajas, 1 eliminator, 1 fountain, 3 deck boats in the 2 years I lived at the lake. Supercat cove was slated to be at the current blue moon marina location, I worked 6 months updating, clearing, new ramp, rip rap, new utility, drainage and developed a 124 unit conceptual condo project named the enclave, had it Engineered, approved by osage beach, then one of the 2 owners who I was partners with sold his half and the other partner did'nt want to continue the project, I did have a sales location there for those 6 months. I worked with doug wright developing a concept of an affordable, stock power performance cat in a pleasure version, Doug had the mold top done, it caught on fire and he has not had time to finish it in the pleasure version, You don't need a location or have to own a boat to believe in it and sell it. I have been with Tom when he was Black Thunders sales manager, I went to Hannibal twice to view there facility by thr r/r tracks, Tom and I took a 46 with 500efi out after they changed the x dimension on the drive to help with porpoise. Tom and I demoed 3 other 46's at LOTO, drove Shane Peolings old boat and almost bought his 575 boat, Merlins 46, which I was able to see the report from the hydro engineers on the unsafe CG of the 46's but kept it quiet because he was in litigation with Black Thunder at the time. I knew T Sobo when he was sales manager and put the 4 bolster idea to Black Thunder in 1997. they built the EC 43 shortly after that.I currently am building a subdivision in st. louis and starting on a 50 lot subdivision in Lake Ozark, I also am partners in a boat building facility in st. louis working on updating our catamaran molds 20-40', I have been a loyal contributor to the shootout, and have helped Jeff Doerhauer when he has asked, for the OSS races was involved in patrol boat with 3600 anthony. I just wanted you to have your facts straight, You might want to get real factual information before you open your pie hole about someone, so I think you should crawl back under neath the rock you came from, If you need any more facts about me you can be a man and email me or ask me in person, until then worry about yourself. Jim

Congrats on the new boat! :D :D :D

I may have missed it but where is the boat going to be run, I would love to see it in person if possible

bt is the reason i have a 36' outlaw. we were lucky enough to hook-up with ed eicheberg this spring on lake cumberland and he took my wife a friend of ours and myself on what e thought was the most awesome ride. until that time we have never been on anything that big or nice, we've always had 18 to 22 foot runabouts, after that ride we found something in our price range with a great ride. imo we really love bt but we have a great houseboat end we don't travel with the boat so we are happy with our new baja and happy to be in a boat that will run in rough water.

ed's boat is a 46 bt that we wish we could have bought right then and there. but as i said didn't need the extra's that make that a live aboard or at least for us it didn't mak sense.