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Old 03-25-2010 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 26 REDLINE
And for everyones info lifeline is not the only jacket builder that has a zipper and legstraps, I fished in the BASS tour for years, and both my jackets had zippers and leg straps and were designed for 100mph use, I sold them about 10 years ago, I really wish I could remember what brand they were, they were USCG approved and both were blue and silver, hell they would have matched my boat...
I have had some like these as well. Only the straps and buckles are rated for 100mph. The jacket never has to be tested to stay on a person to get certified for a mph for the USCG. These may be better than a regular ski jacket but they are not a lifeline.

In Tres course they recommended you carry one of the prepackaged pacs of the cheap orange jackets to be legal.
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Old 03-29-2010 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OkieTunnel
I have had some like these as well. Only the straps and buckles are rated for 100mph. The jacket never has to be tested to stay on a person to get certified for a mph for the USCG. These may be better than a regular ski jacket but they are not a lifeline.

In Tres course they recommended you carry one of the prepackaged pacs of the cheap orange jackets to be legal.
When am I going back to TEXAS?

The U.S. Coast Guard standard is a very old prescriptive requirement for compliance. So old in fact in 1986 this safety circular was issued:

http://www.uscgboating.org/assets/pd...C80.pdf#100mph

Unlike CE certifications the US Coast Guard does not presently accept probabilistic analysis and alternative arrangements with performance based criteria to verify minimum compliance or to show how a product actually exceeds the requirement even though it does not meet the specifications of the perspective rule.

Therefore far superior products such as LifeLines and not able to receive certification. Time to don is not a problem as they could receive TYPE V approval. The problem is that we custom fit the jackets and offer custom colors arrangements and logos etc.

Bottom line is do not accept the label on the item as insurance or verification the product will perform as you may have believed it would.

We have Lifelines in stock, ready to ship!

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Old 03-29-2010 | 07:18 PM
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When am I going back to TEXAS?

I am going to have the boat back in the next month or so. Motor move fixed the jumping. Trim is all lined out. It is running pretty fast. After it is here I will get in touch with you to see what your schedule looks like. I cant wait!
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Old 05-04-2010 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bcschoe
Unlike CE certifications the US Coast Guard does not presently accept probabilistic analysis and alternative arrangements with performance based criteria to verify minimum compliance or to show how a product actually exceeds the requirement even though it does not meet the specifications of the perspective rule.

Therefore far superior products such as LifeLines and not able to receive certification. Time to don is not a problem as they could receive TYPE V approval. The problem is that we custom fit the jackets and offer custom colors arrangements and logos etc.

Bottom line is do not accept the label on the item as insurance or verification the product will perform as you may have believed it would.
Have lifeline jackets been independently tested and/or certified to show their safety relevance? They seem to be a great jacket and have a great reputation in the racing world so are any results of these independant studies made public?

PS, my post is not meant to belittle LifeLine, I'd seriously like to know and possibly others too. As the old saying goes; just cause someone says it's so, doesn't necessarily mean it is. Which is evidence by some of the reading I've been doing on the forums lately...
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Old 05-05-2010 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by h20 toie
From what i understand another issue is that it takes to long to put on a Lifeline, you have the zipper,the leg straps,plus chest straps.
The ones that are certified usually have chest straps, I have been pulled over while wearing the lifelines and there was not an issue, but if you have them stored they probably won't count.
i also keep "legal" vests stored but wouldn't want to trust my life to one of them.
I agree 100%. I have been stopped wearing Lifelines several times and they do not even look at them. I have also been stopped not wearing jackets and they will check for correct sizes for each person on board and the CG label. That is why I carry the $5 orange junk with me also.
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Old 05-05-2010 | 10:02 AM
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Have lifeline jackets been independently tested and/or certified to show their safety relevance?
I have done my own independant testing and they passed

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...eze-frame.html
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Old 08-06-2010 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mattyboy
that's what i've been told

if i order one for me they would have to make a few more and send to USCG for certification then send me mine.

if you are boating in NY waters now til may 1 st you need to have a USCG approved PFD on when onboard. that law just went in to effect jan 1st

from nov 1 to may 1 everyone onboard has to have one on
I carry 6 USCG jackets on board @ all times, even when it's just me aboard, I use the lifeline when I won't to do some speed runs or for a shootout, also it goes on when the weather gets nasty. I have had coast guard inspection and they always complementd me on having so many jackets and always said the lifeline was the best one I personaly don't care if a paper azz hole puts there stamp on the best jackets out there if you have the coin spend it, 400 bucks is cheap for YOUR LIFE. And for everyones info lifeline is not the only jacket builder that has a zipper and legstraps, I fished in the BASS tour for years, and both my jackets had zippers and leg straps and were designed for 100mph use, I sold them about 10 years ago, I really wish I could remember what brand they were, they were USCG approved and both were blue and silver, hell they would have matched my boat...

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Old 08-08-2010 | 09:14 PM
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I guess its the same on "land", for years I had "Pro Street" cars, the last one was a low 8 second 71 Camaro, it was street driven and I was pulled over [OFTEN] and given the "once over" and the one thing I got A LOT of hassles about was the seat belts, I thought it was assisnine that I could race at a track at 170MPH with 5 point, 3 inch wide belts holding me in the car, but, these same harnesses weren't street legal? I guess it was "safer" to be driving around with 40 year old OEM sun faded Lap Belts? Which, Unlike the racing harnesses had to be checked and recerted every 3 years!

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Old 08-09-2010 | 08:57 AM
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Yep had tha same issue with 5 Point race harnesses on the street.

As for the post on NY having mandatory life jacket laws. I think its a good thing.

I have seen WAYYY to many people Getting sauced and then getting into a boat in LI as well as in CT and driving crazier than normal.

Or guys getting a bunch of bikini clad Ho's on board and all of a sudden they are SUPER RACER.lol

No one wants to have to wear them but it gives you an excuse to MAKE the people on board be safe.

I have also had People on board and I am running 70 MPH back in 3/4 fters and I turn around and they are sitting up on the rear hatch with no jackets on. WTF I stopped the boat immediately and was pissed. I dont need to get manslaughter charges becasue some Drunk AZZ's decided to climb up on the back of my boat at speed.
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Old 08-09-2010 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by macrylinda
And for everyones info lifeline is not the only jacket builder that has a zipper and legstraps, I fished in the BASS tour for years, and both my jackets had zippers and leg straps and were designed for 100mph use, I sold them about 10 years ago, I really wish I could remember what brand they were, they were USCG approved and both were blue and silver, hell they would have matched my boat...
If you happen to remember the name of the brand please post it here. I'm 95% pleasureboating and having two sets of lifejackets onboard and it becomes very cumbersome and a waste of space, especially on those days where we're just anchored up with friends and jackets are all over the place.:cuqui:

It's true there's no value on life but if there's a brand that meets the needs on both ends (safety and accountability) I will buy it first. I'm sure that's going to be an unpopular answer but it's just my $.02.
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