Originally Posted by offshoredrillin

I find that hard to believe, that would be like in the body industry painting a Mercedes and having to leave off the emblem as the shop isnt a mercedes shop. If all he is doing is recreating the logo, thats not infingement for personal profit, its just replacing what was on there.

Originally Posted by GoCiggie31

Tank,
I agree, Lip-Ship's work and service is truely world class as an independent. Skip if he wants to control the brand will be going more inhouse (less sublet) and if he sees another income stream and truly control the quality on the used end it would be a natural for a 'mfg' to have this control. With that he can retain resale values even more for use used Cig owners and boost the brand image even more. I believe there is enough business out there for Skip (only if quality/service is #1) and Phil to continue the 'Product life cycle' to the next level. It will benefit us all w/a 'Certified(factory) level of Cigarette'. It could even be a seperate franchise endorsed by Cig with cert rules and stds. I think Donzi at one time in the 80's tried to do this but did not follow through. The correct dlr body w/ dlr incentives and factory support can make it happen and create a new industry-its is working very well in the car business...in fact used certified (mfg only) pre owned automobiles has a margin that exceeds 3X that of new units.... :eek:
Rumor has it retailers love the preowned business. :cool:

Originally Posted by thisistank

No, that is confirmed. They cannot paint "cigarette" on any boat.

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin

I talked with Vandy in pm on this and here is a scenario albeit hypothetical but could happen easily.

Say your cig was painted by TAOD, pre split and you get some dock rash through your logo. You have the right as the owner of the boat to have a repair shop of your choice repair it, meaning TAOD, you own your boat outright. Skip cant make you have Earl Scheib paint your boat if it was done by someone else. I have a hard time believing skip would win the case, thats a monopolistic trait and is illeagal. He has no right as to tell me as a consumer, who fixes my boat. Now if you take a blank white cig to TAOD, I'm sure they cant paint the logo..,see the difference...Rob

Originally Posted by thisistank

Yes, I totally understand what you're saying. But talk with TAOD. They don't want the headaches of dealing with it.

Originally Posted by vandy021

Sorry to hear about that... We never like it when the paint catches something :(

Originally Posted by stecz20

poor guy... i knew that rig was too much for you....