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As some of y'all know, I am beginning the process of buying my next boat. While I would love to own a Cigarette, I have to stay under $60K. Here are 4 Cigarettes from the Classifieds that are 30-feet (or longer) and under $60K.

1989 31' Bullet for $39,000

1986 35' Cafe Racer for $49,500

1986 36' Mirage for $49,000

1986 38' FLATDECK SE for $55,000

I welcome any and all opinions. If anyone has seen (in person) any of these boats, please give me your two-cents...

Thanks! :D

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find a badazz old school cig for the ride...find one with #3a's so you won't be reporting all your drive failures like the bravo owners do all the time

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:D :evilb: :drink: :evilb:

If you think that you get laid alot now Clay, get yourself a Cig....and a prescription for Viagra, you will need it!!!! :D :drink:

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clay look for something thats 75k and offer 59...its a buyers market, a lot of boats have been for sale for too long and im sure there are some deals to be had.

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The stories are true? :drink:

So if he gets the Mirage...forget the Viagra?

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I'd say go for the last one. That thing's been for sale for a WHIIIIIIILE. He'll deal!

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see my post in the general area...I'm too lazy to type it over again :D

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Like I said in the GD thread......... Cafe. I hate to disappoint some of the people who can't get over the past, but the Cafe will out perform the flatdeck in rough water too. Deal with it. :D

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cafe all the way...

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Cafe or Bullet.. :D

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how big of water do you plan of running and at what speed are you targeting to enjoy most of the time?

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How fast do you want to go and what kind of water do ride in? Rough? 80mph?

I like the bullet for the ride and the great ruff water boat they are. My buddy has one with 502 carbed motors, he runs 74 on GPS everyday. Pretty nice. I've seen the flat decks you are refering to but have never ridden in one, so no comment on those.

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HE RIDES IN WATER THAT ARE LESS THEN 2 FOOT SWEELS IF THAT, BUT THAT FLAT DECK HAS BEEN AROUND FOR EVER THAT I'M SURE YA CAN STEAL IT :evilb:

DONZ JR MIKE

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I'd go with the flat deck. If the motors have good internal parts thats sounds like nice reliable Hp with out blowers and the drives shouldn't be to over worked. I'm not so sure the Cafe will out perform the 38. We need some other expert opinions from MrCIG, Fox Hunter, Russ and Crazyhorse on this one. I've seen these guys in action on Lake Michigan and there isn't much that will keep up with there flat decks in the rough stuff.

No matter what DON'T FORGET the marine survey for moisture in the transom and hull.

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Cafe and Milfs... like a sore dick..can't beat it

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I'm not sure what everybody is not reading in the ads??? Go back and look what the components are for the Flatdeck. Go try and buy what this boat has to offer for anywhere close to the sales price. The Cafe looks good but old cyclone 400's and trs's over 598's and #3's, Kevlar vs. Glass, stellings vs. ?????.. The 598''s will have a much better cruise speed, Cyclones you will have to beat on to keep up with today's cruise speeds. The only thing the Flatdeck needs is a flat hatch, Without blower motors there is no need for the blower hatches. Besides chicks would have a hard time laying out on those. Gary who is selling the 84' Flatdeck has a flat hatch he might sell ??.

I don't want to argue with TSG but I have yet to see a Cafe run better in the big stuff!!! As a matter of fact I have not seen much that can run as good as a 38 flatdeck in big water. Not that a Cafe won't do it but the little ladies will like the ride better in a FD. Trust me on this or you can ask my wife.

Clay
It's your money buy whatever turns your crank. Any of the Cigarettes are a great deal But the most bang for the buck is going to be the Flatdeck. If you do buy it please take care of it there are not many left.!!!!!

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I saw that flat deck at the NYC poker run.
It seems well taken care of, but is an old race boat.
There is no cockpit liner.

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An unbiased opinion from folks who have ridden in both but don't own either may be more effective in this case. Possibly someone who has owned both. :cool:

The bottom line is that he will probably want to sell this boat to upgrade someday.

The Cafe to the majority of buyers has the newest, most appealing look of the boats listed. The dash is more modern, the rigging, the equipment, etc. It's not going to go fast but you're not going to blow it up either. Everything is new so you can expect super clean.

You can dump all the money you want into a flatdeck and have a super nice boat, if you're going to keep it forever. Notice how the price has plummeted on the Flat Deck to a now OBO listing? I doubt Clay wants to be in that situation in a few years. It has 3's, not 3A's, there is a big difference in the two. The Flatdeck has no sunpad, so now Clay's girlfriends have nowhere to tan topless besides the deck, which has raised hatches as opposed to flush hatches on the Cafe. It has no swim platform, so again, Clay's party cove adventures endure another crushing blow. Even if it did you can't have people climbing over that fiberglass hump soaking wet without someone injuring themselves.

The Cafe is a more modern, more user friendly boat in every way. It has the same upgrades as the Flat Deck minus the motors, but has a few key features the 38 doesn't have. While I respect the Flat Deck and the work that's been done to it, it's just not a very practical buy for the kind of boating Clay does.

Finally, the Flat Deck and Cafe will BOTH pound the rough water. The Cafe is a more agile boat and will have more trim sensitivity than the Flat Deck, which helps greatly in snotty conditions. The lopsided power between the two would probably give the edge to the Flat Deck, but a Cafe with equal power should get the edge.

These are just some observations I would consider. Both are nice boats. :cool:

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CAFE all the way! It never looks dated and you do small updates along the way. Most folks won't know if the boat is an 86 or 96

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Cigarette Cafe Racer.......there Is No Substitue !!!! Its A Classy Ride All Around.

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I would pick the cafe- - modern style, good resale and looks great!
Good luck with the decision!

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so what did you decide Clay?

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If I had to decide today, it would be between the Bullet and the Cafe. The Cafe gets the edge because it has already been updated, i.e. new dash etc. But, it is $10K more.

I like the Flatdeck, but as many have already said, there is no place for the topless women to tan. I never heard of a Mirage, plus I hate the red and yellow color scheme.

I appreciate all of the great info. Keep it comming! :D

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Like this one? 1992 Cigarette Cafe Racer :D

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Thats a nice pic.. Clay I have tried to contact the owner of the same bullet for 3 or 4 days and left messages and cant seem to get a call back. Guess something happened, its sold, or just not in a hurry? Dont know... like the 92 cig though

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Mirage Powerboats were Made In Fla Mid 70s To Mid90s They Made a 25 30 And 36 deck And Center console I Raced B/52 Which Was A 30 And ARMED AND DANGEROUS Which Was A 32 Footer The 32 Ran Over 100 With small Block ZUL Motors One Hell Of A Boat Sorry You Dont Like The Red And yellow interior Good Luck With Your search

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Another Cafe...

1987 CIGARETTE 35', CAFE RACER

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Sometimes boat ads kill me.

For example:

1987 CIGARETTE 35', CAFE RACER, , Twin 454, 400hp, TRS drive, Silent Choice exhaust, new int, remote, CD, stereo, Halan syst, freshwater pump, anchor locker, shore pwr, head and sink, rear shower, snap in carpet, twin bulge pumps, trim taps, fume detector, waste pump, runs perfect, $59,500, 954-553-8944.

Why list these items that I highlighted?

Car for sale, options include:

Trunk, seats, wheels, hood, speedometer, windows. :rolleyes: :D :D

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Why does that 87 have scoops on the hatch with that power? If the owner of that 92 would take $19,900 less then he was asking I will be at his door step. If your choice become between the Bullet or the Cafe both are great boats but one will leave feeling that you should gone bigger when you had the chance. There are not many boaters that move to a smaller boat, but that is just my .02 :cool:

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so make an offer.

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I believe the person selling is just trying to take up space in their description column. It makes them feel good inside. If they add more items they feel like they justify the addition cost that they were acking for..

[QUOTE=4195]If the owner of that 92 would take $19,900 less then he was asking I will be at his door step. QUOTE]



BESIDES IT HAS SHORE POWER AND A RADIO, Dont you think thats worth an extra $19,900 ??? :evilb:

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AND twin bilge pumps! :evilb:

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Believe me guys... I would LOVE to own a Cafe. Hell, who wouldn't? :D

I just want to buy a beautiful, reliable, wave-crusher with decent power and good resale. I want a nice cabin, enclosed head, new dash, and a sundeck for all the topless women. Shore power, a gen set, A/C, and a swim platform would also be nice, but not required.

Sean's Cig would have been perfect, but I hear it's sold.

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Maybe I'll get an old Mistress! :cool:

1977 CIGARETTE 36 MISTRESS

1983 Cigarette 35 Mistress

1986 CIGARETTE, MISTRESS

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be patient my son.. Hell its been 2 years of backyard projects and looking for me. But I know when I do get the boat, its going to be the right boat.. Your situation is a little different....lol... Im married :drink: :D

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http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/page-5860.html

this ones for you

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I thought I just did :evilb:

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yeah but does the boat have dual exhaust

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Very good question... Yes it has a SIDO application.. Still interested? :D :drink:

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i still think the 86 cafe is the best bang for the buck it has all the updates and it doesnt look like a circus wagon cruising across the water. classic lines.....