it is a side by side 750 zuls, ad states it runs 105, what is the down side of a side by side vs a stagger set up?

down side is no rooster tail, and it may be a few MPH slower than a stagger with the same power, thats it, side by sides feel a little more stable, and also usually have a bigger cockpit since the engines are back further

Wild

Larrys got a staggered 525 Gladiator for sale as well if your interested?
http://www.xtremepowerboats.com/clas...age=out&id=127
Let me know if your interested.
That particular boat has had some history but it was completly gone through and is better than new. They did a great job on the re-rig!!

The boat is in imaculate condition. It does have a history, it was flipped but from what I understand no one was seriously hurt. The boat was then completely re rigged and is in beautiful shape. The guy who owned it was a friend of a friend. I don't know him personally but have been up close to the boat and it is beautiful. The disadvantage to the side by side is a littlle slower speed. The advantage is more cockpit space. You will get varying oppinions on ride quality from different owners/drivers. I thought that boat was sold but if not talk to "TsunamiRacing" on the OSO board here because he knows the previous owner.

[QUOTE=fountain40icbm;2131618]Larrys got a staggered 525 Gladiator for sale as well if your interested?
[url]http://www.xtremepowerboats.com/classifieds/index.php?

Are you still not accepting trades?
I got 100K plus my 2003 29' Kryptonite waiting for a new home!

The boat was sold to a person in Miami. Now the new owner wants to sell it. It's located in Miami at Xtreme Marine. I saw it there this past February. I dont think we want to accept trades yet. I'll keep you in mind if we decide to.

IMHO the biggest difference between a side by side vs. staggered is the center of gravity, which is positioned more towards the bow on a staggered set-up, the boat tends to ride flatter and launch with a more horizontal trajectory which equates to more speed, more comfortable landings, and better stability at high speeds.

i would have to disagree with you on that one. the biggest differences are not performance related. i would say that they would be more along the lines of aesthetical differences....ie. cockpit length, room in the bilge, hatch length, etc. the side-by-side version does carry the bow a bit higher in rough water, which i tend to prefer, but the more comfortable landings, speed and stability at high speeds probably is more the difference in drivers than boat. both versions fly very level and have a great tendency to correct themselves before landing. every staggered gladiator that i have been in or watched run, tends to chine-walk at high speeds more than the side-by-side versions with side approaching waves. it is up to the driver to correct that, some of which never do. having had experience in both, the performance differences are so minimal that they really aren't worth discussing.

chad

Not speaking specifically of a Glad...here is another dissertation on the staggered motor setup.

Re: staggered engines

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Staggered lowers the motors in the hull. This lowers the center of gravity. This theoretically makes the boat handle rough corners better and safer with less tendency to roll to the high side. Can also have taller intake setups without having to add scoops. Oilpans are same distance from the hull bottom, so you still have the same access underneath the motors. These are all desirable qualities. Saddle tanks, though, can be high enough to offset this benefit.

Staggered moved roll mass closer to the center of the boat. The roll axis runs from the center of the transom to the nose. The closer the mass is centered, the less roll inertia it has. So what does this do? On one hand, a chinewalking issue will have less inertia, and less tendency to amplify. On the other hand, less roll inertia will allow the hull to rock side to side more aggressively in cross chop. In many cases, though, staggered setups also use saddle tanks. Saddle tanks will add roll inertia, which reverses the above tendencies.

Moving one motor forward moves the center of gravity AND pitch axis forward. Boat should plane easier. Should mow down chop better. Should fly more level. Depending on the need for bow lift on a particular hull, this may NOT result in the best ultimate top speeds for that hull. Also, motor access is fantastic on the INSIDE portions of both motors. The outside portions may be restricted by saddle tanks. You can access the front of the forward motor from the side, and you can access the rear of the rearward motor from the side so it's a win win. Depending on which motor is forward, you will either have excellent or typical (pitiful) access to the rearmost starter. "Easy to remove" tailpipes on the forward motor are a great idea for some more involved servicing on the rear motor..

Having the drives close together supposedly improves prop bite in cornering.

It also requires that you dock it more like you would handle a single. Drive leverage for spinning the boat with opposing thrust is minimal at best. But that is part of what makes them cool.

Oh yeah, staggered is cool. That's a plus.
You do lose cockpit space, but you gain some pretty impressive storage in the engine compartment (think in terms of those greeat big Rubbermaid storage bins).

ITS?
For less money you can do Imco boxes at 12" setback instead of the 7" ITS setback. You still run a tie bar with ITS so you don't really clean up the tail THAT much with it. Your choice.

There's my 2 cents.

mc

I've driven the boat and almost bought it a few years ago. It runs like a raped ape and has no damage from the spinout. I've also driven and ridden in both staggered and side by side Gladiators with everything from 525's to 775's. There's no difference in speed.