Seriously...What's it gonna take...
 

to sell this?

I had one call and one offer of 50k from some guy who has never seen the boat in person...

No one has even come to see this thing? Just spent 70k in 2006...

This is a givaway...someone come and get it...need to make room for my new boat.

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o19348-en.html

The restoration on this boat is real nice. Boat looks like a 10!!!

However, you're asking for a lot for a 21 year old boat....and "no trailer" doesn't help.

Good luck.

Chris

I'm just a watcher and I would be in an even worse position if I were to try and sell my boat. Yours is beautiful, but it would take a trailer, a 15K price reduction AND just the right buyer, in my uneducated opinion. In other words, unpalatably painful. I can only see the market getting worse before it gets better and it may not get much better for the older boats. There are too many deals out there. It still costs the same or more to fix them up so the buyer would be one that recognizes that and bargain hunters far outnumber them.

This went from $55K to $29K:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189852

I realize you could easily spend the difference making it really nice.

Like Schweeng said,,,,, plus,,,, go to boattrader and do a search for what you can buy for 80 k right now,,,, people are looking for new and cheap,,,, now redone, or well taken care of,,,,, and what a shame that is.

I must admit I am kinda guilty of the same thing,,, I was in negotiations with a 35 Cafe that SEA-DATED ultimatly ended up buying,,,,,, we were a few k apart,,, I passed and bought a 2000 36 OUTLAW,,,,,,,, and is a decision I will question for many years to come.

With the age, I couldnt justify the price,,, but it was all redone and I instantly fell in love with the boat.

Fortunatly I also am very happy with the OUTLAW, but I know it wont hold its value like the Cig would have.

In today's market just getting an offer is a good thing.
I have watched you make your Cafe just Brand New over the years. It is probably one of the nicest one out there.

I hate to say it but as gas goes up, boat prices go down.

Thanks chris... 2 good points...and the perception is hard to overcome...no doubt this boat will eventually go to someone who is loking for this specific boat with new economical power and who doesnt need to see triple digits...

the trailer aint worth much...pretty rusty...needs to be replaced anyway.

the 21 year old part is valid also...but the hull has about 300hours total and the motors have less than 15...

Just me...

The 496's are a turnoff. Especially with XR's that'll live with bigger power. 502's- you can do a liytle or alot with.

Plus, the dash is beautiful but the vinyl and the stripe on the side date the boat.

I know that's no help... but just observations.

Ironically enough, I'm redoing a 35 right now. I have this feeling like I'm taking $1 bills out of my wallet and dropping them on the ground- but before they hit, they've magically turned into quarters. That about sizes up the sensation of spending money on this thing. At least the dollar bills aren't borrowed.

all valid points fellas...

somehting every seller is going through right now...not what anyone wants to hear, but its the reality in today's economy...

i am willing to listen to realistic offers... :)

Chris,

What do you think it is worth without the engines? I'll sell it without power...I've got 20 Cig that is dying for a 496... :)

the boat is gorgeous imo. hopefully someone will come along and recognize the value of a 300 hour cafe as apposed to a 900 hour completely redone cafe. nothing wrong with one thats been redone but there is a lot to say for a mostly original and preserved cig.

Without a trailer....

Maybe the high end of the 30's, possibly $40K, to the right guy. Parting it may net you less but it may move it. 496's aren't a turnoff to everyone- just to never-happy gearheads. Another guy may love the simplicity and reliability.

Here's where Im at on mine. I have about 12 grand in the hull, high teens in a set of Konrads and a couple grand in vinyl. I've yet to do the dash so I'm a couple grand deep there and I'll have about $8 grand in paint and cabin work. So essentially a like new hull with new vinyl in and out, completely refinished cockpit, cabin and bilge and a new set of drives- I'm about that $40K mark. Now, that included a Myco but it needs to be blasted and painted, but it's a solid trailer nonetheless. The only advantage is that it's 100% the way I want it.

So, if your boat was just about what I wanted and I didn't have all the F'ing around redoing it, it would have been a very attractive option. The Myco is pretty much nullified by the hands-on stuff and the legwork I have to do on it.

Having done that exercise, I'd say the boat should be worth damn close to $65K or a tad more with the engines in it in June '08 $hitty-market dollars.

Make it easy for someone- do the legwork and find a nice aluminum trailer for it- offer it "new aluminumtrailmasterpro available for $XXX more".

I think another problem with the nice older cigs like this is financing.

If someone is planning on financing than the survey needs to tell the bank it's worth what you're asking. That can be difficult sometimes.

Good luck, it is a nice looking boat.

Also, I think the 496's are very nice for people looking for something turn-key and insurable but in an affordable Cig. At this price level many people can't or don't want the cost of maintaining big power. Those wanting big power would probably start their own project, like Chris has. :ernaehrung004:

Financing is sometimes an issue- but many guys home equity anyway. $65K don't buy $hit at the local dealer. How many guys would rather have a sweet Cafe than a 23' I/O bowrider?

Like everyone else is saying, price and age. I bought my 91 Cafe' with 500's and Bravo's that was completely redone, interior, engines, drives, paint, stereo and everything for much less than you are asking. Plus the 91 has the newer cabin that most, not all, people prefer. I know my wife would not let me buy on with the older cabin.

Also, as was said before, the 496;s would be a huge turnoff for me. Most people who are trying to buy a Cigarette are not looking for an economical cruiser, they want a big power cigarette. If there are 2 cigs for sale and all things are the same except one has 496's and the other has blue motors, the blue motored one will sell first. People do not buy these boats to be economical.

Good luck selling, you have a beautiful Cafe' and I know you have put a lot of time and money in it. I think if you dropped your price to 55-60K you would probably get a lot more calls and probably move it.

There are buyers out there, several Cafe's have sold in the last year, just need to get your price competitive.

I would. Of course I am a little biased.:party-smiley-004:

That's pretty funny, cuz i have a friend who is looking at 24-26br's and won't spend that kind of $ for that kind of boat.
I sent him a link to lakluvr's bullet and it peaked his attention. Not that he'll buy it, but he'd probably rather have a 31bullet than a 22cobalt. :eek:

The market sucks. I have a "back up boat" I'm trying to sell. I'm at least 5-10k lower than any other boat with the same setup and no calls. Eventually someones going to get a killer deal. Good luck.

took me 6 months to sell mine in a good market... takes time baby, time.........

We bought our Cafe last year about this time and love it. But, I am a little concerned about the value of it next year and the year after. The boat is paid for and if the economy turns truely south for us, I might need the cash. So sell the boat I love today when I don't really have too (or at least try) or hope the the best in the future. :confused:

Sometimes reality sucks! I'm gettin a beer

hold it.... hold it for sure....

I was listening to Fox news in the car earlier. Some analyst is claiming Iran has cruise missiles and they may attack Saudi at some point. He says gas will be $12 a gallon. I don't care. If I have to sit in my boats in the lot and make motor noises, it beats the Hell out of taking up golf.

hell ya..... everyone with the sky is falling shi t......


buy buy buy people.... buy buy buy......

sell your wives and girlfriends, buy boats, cars and fuel... after this sh it pie is ready to eat well have plenty of money in our pockets....

umm... let me know if it sells how much it went for... same for me here although it'snot really for sale... But I'm looking!

Its a very nice boat for sure. I just think most people will move up to Top Gun if they are shopping your price range. The TG's are most likely not nearly as clean or updated, but resale is better and the TG will 5-10 years newer. I think it is going to take a very specific buyer to give you decent price. After a trailer is figured in, its a 90k boat and there are a lot of good deals in that price range right now.

Sean it is a nice boat and contrary to others I like the idea of new 496's rather than 20 year old 502's. There will be plenty of stuff to fix on a 21 year old boat but atleast on yours it won't be the powertrain.

Keep in mind 80K can get you a newer Cigarette product. I think that boat should be sold as is, for about 30% off what you are asking but it is July and by September that sale price might get lower. If you get a solid cash offer you should seriously consider taking it or you might be digging this thread up next April.

That boat looks VERY cool, and VERY nicely done. Stock 496's might hurt it but the reality is a flat bottom cafe is never going to be fast by today's standards anyways.

Unfortunately the boat does look a little dated with the color scheme and the cockpit/interior. Extremely cool, but not for the masses.

I compare your boat to mine that I bought a year ago and think that Jupiter is right - if you get a financially credible offer in the mid 50's you might want to consider it. I paid only a couple grand more than that for my 1990 with a Manning trailer, fresh, conservative blower power, Sea Strainers, Bravo's with IMCO components in them, IMCO Hyd. Steering, Updated Swim Platform, somewhat "timeless" graphics, Sea Strainers, Extra set of props, 2 cockpit covers, one full cover, new style cabin, etc.....

It's just hard right now and unfortunately people can get Gun's for a negligible amount more than Cafe's.

If you decide to REALLY part it out I would be interested in your dash/guages - it looks great - I like the Silver (mine are blue).

Boats like this are going to hurt your 80K asking price: http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o24363-en.html
Newer boat, bigger power, more modern graphics (I like the hockey sticks much better), Myco Trailer etc. for essentially the same asking price. Boat should survey for more money making the financing easier on the newer boat.

nothing to fix on this piece...its all been done... every light, every pump, every switch...all work...even the mascerator... :)

That 65K will also buy a newer 496 HO(or more) powered 26 cat, or some other newer but smaller/faster non-cig brand. As someone looking in this price range, upkeep also becomes an issue. If you aren't on big water, it may not be necessary to have the Cig (although it would be nice :drink:).

In this price range upkeep/storage/towing costs probably come into play as well. I can afford a 90K newish 26 cat with a single, that'll be turnkey and faster, and have much lower "other costs", or maybe 50K on a bigger cig. So combined with financing this makes these boats have a smaller market. I still love them, and it's a tough decision.:party-smiley-004:

I'd disagree on the "more modern" graphics. The hockey sticks are classic and/or timeless, as opposed to some of the mid to late 90's stuff, which will never be back I'd think (hope):evilb:.

Me two. Classic graphics for me. I can't stand boats that look like someone puked paint all over them. Sean's boat, to my eyes, is just right. How about a couple of Raylar 525 kits?

now ted...that's not gonna help me seel my boat...

i know u want it for yourself, but damn...

:angry-smiley-038:

dated graphics...circa 2006 :)

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...3&d=1159706194

I'll by the 33 Open................:ernaehrung004:

Wow, that is an awesome update of the classic hockey stick look.

Like I posted earlier, your graphics are timeless, and the green/black combo is becoming pretty popular.:D

Sunsation has built a few boats in those colors recently that turned out great.

But I havent picked it up yet... :)

Wednesday the 9th... You up for a road trip? :)

Uh....I am on vacation next week !!

Where we going ?

thats my fav paint on a cig.. awsome indeed....