thinking of selling our top gun
 

so what are every ones thoughts on the best way to market a boat
broker or no broker
this is what we have
1995 lipship kevlar top gun, this is the boat Phil built for his brother.
power 502 500 hp carberated closed cooling ( new 2007 )
30 hrs
cmi headers
power shifters
bravo one drives 26 pitch 4 blade props
full cabin and a/c
graphic re done by Dave Hunter of invisions in ft lauderdale
helm, gauges , windshiled done 2005
myco trailer aluminum
mint condition

not a fire sale

thoughts?

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So what is the money on this one?

75?

where r u from in NJ ? do u run in Barnaget Bay ?

That's a little light for a nicely done boat, don't you think?

we are from north jersey, boat is on lbi, yes we run barnaget. usually run as far north as waters edge, south to AC and ocean city.

I'm sure it's a very nice boat but it's a little light in power for most peoples taste. Even though it's not a fire sale, you are in a market that puts it in competition with sellers that ARE having a ''fire sale'' so to speak.
Check and see what similar boats are actually selling for. Not the asking price. When I sold my Checkmate, I had to ask myself, ''Do I want to sell a boat or have a boat for sale?''
With that in mind, $75,000 might not be very far off the mark.
Good luck .

Roger

SOLD!!!!!!! (or atleast that should buy it)

If I could figure out how to get rid of my other 2 boats, I'd probably buy it for that if it checked out.

Always a deal out there, when you can't buy one.

Good luck with the sale.

Want to sell it, wait three years, otherwise upgrade and trade it in.

Well what's trade in value???

Oh come on, We all know what trade in would be. A BIG FAT O----- Or do want the on paper #?:rolleyes: In this market you should feel lucky at 75k selling price, and I think the boat is real nice and should be worth way more than that. Just look around and see the reality of the market.:eek:

$75k sounds like all the money as long as it passes a survey. Good luck with the sale!

If we had to spend 75k on a boat....had too, how many of us would buy this gun? Last year, most of us would have jumped on this boat at 75k. This year there is way too much out there that is underpriced-priced as "fire sale".

If you get an offer near it....take it.

Good luck

If you don't need the money or the space, I would hang on to it. It probably won't be worth any less next year and the best market is going to be early spring thru early summer.

I am not an expert on the market seeing as how I have only been in the Cig Market once, and probably won't be back in it for the foreseeable future, but 75 unfortunately seems like a lot of money when there are boats like this :

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o18923-en.html

that are not a fire sale, and I have been watching this one for sale for a year or more I believe - 10k less ASKING price.

Yes, I know TRS vs. Bravo, Kevlar vs. TFG, but still, I think at 75k you would be sitting on that boat for a while; a victim of the market, economy, and tougher lending criteria.

Just the honest opinion of another guy with an old, rapidly depreciating cig!!

Not having seen either boat in person the lip ship boat seems to have a lot of upgrades or updates that the other one doesn't. Naca ducts, newer style bolsters, flat rails on the deck and transom, better trailer, closed cooling, new gauges, new windscreen, Hydraulic steering, Bravos and on and on....

You'd have to see them boat in person and compare the two. The lip ship boat is much more up to date looking.

Ask anyone that's updated one it isn't cheap. If you're just looking for a cig to go boating then each would work. But in my opinion, $75K would move the lip ship boat pretty quick.

From the appearance that's a lot of boat for $75K.

a lot of opinions, all good.
my biggest question is , to use a broker or not?

I dont need the money and there are no storage issues.
there are a lot of upgrades that make this boat different than the 93.
for 75k, I will hang on to it.
once I find out a real number, I will decide to keep or sell her.
if anyone would like more info, just send me a pm.

Why would you think 75 was not a real number? Although it wasn't an actual offer, I didn't get the impression anyone thought you would be able to get more for it too easily?

Only way to find out is to put it up for sale with an ad, but I wouldn't think a real number greater than 75 would show up these days, but it might be exactly what someone was looking for with better money. A broker might tell you it would go for more if you list with him, but it sounds like that can be a shady deal.

You're best be might be a broker dealing with Europe quite a bit. Our ****ty dollar has turned it into quite the market for them to buy toys, and they love Cig's over there.

I personally love the boat, but that'd be the top of my price range, and the upkeep/storage costs would kill me.

Good luck.:drink:

comp, beautiful gun... good luck.

Exactly

I'd keep it too for 75K. That's a helluva boat!

The market for the straight bottom guns is getting squeezed IMO as more used TS Guns come on the market that appear priced to sell. If I was looking at boats in the 100K range, I'm going to move up to 150k and get a TS. Easier said then done I suppose. ;)

As much as I don't care for stepped boats, the step now equates to economy more than speed. If you can cruise for less $$, that makes a difference, even though the boat's cost may outweigh the savings by several times.

On brokers- they typically suck. Last year I was looking for a second boat- I wanted a Cig 35 or something thereabouts. I had cash and was willing to travel. I couldn't get arrested by brokers. Few returned calls, even less follow-up. I couldn't get details, pics- nothing. I was treated like a pest. If they aren't interested in doing anything with boats they have listed, I don't imagine you'll get any better treatment. My impression is all they do is advertise in all the places you can advertise it yourself- Boat Trader, Yachtworld, etc. Ebay is good for visibility. I look at the online ad sites and I'm astonished at the asking prices on many of these boats. I also see the Ebay auctions with absurd starting prices. People are dreaming about boat values- the market is as bad as I've seen it and that goes back to the mid-70's. My take is this- whether you put it on the common sites or the broker does. If he ads 20 grand to the cost to give him some negotiation room and an $8K commission, you probably won't sell it. If you want to get market out of it and you want someone to screen the tire-kickers, you'll have to cough up the 8 out of your end. You can talk to a few losers and place a few ads for 8 grand. You need a real number on it though- look in the OSO classifieds at owner-for-sale boats- and elsewhere too. But, I watch the market pretty closely- if someone showed up with 75 large, you'd be ahead of alot of guys with boats for sale these days.

Like I wrote before- you're close to the end of the season- Spring is going to have way more buyers. Unless Obama gets elected and unleaded is $7 a gallon- then the $75K would look really good.

How can you put a price on that boat with no cockpit shots. It might need a huge interior upgrade and what kind of steering does it have?

My feeling in this market with all the goodies above - $69K

Its a nice beginner Cig

oreollzeue,
excellent question.
cabin: full cabin, with head and a/c
flat screen dvd, stereo and amp

steering: external, marine machine

I just sold my 99 36 Baja OL last month for 79,800 and that was just because the guy said he wanted to pay less than 80K. Clean boat with AC/heat HP500's w/420 hours, bravo's and external steering and aluminum trailer. It sold in less than a week of me listing it for sale. I live in Vegas and it went to AZ. It sure was alot easier selling it than buying it. I shipped it from MI. I think 75 to 80 is a good price for that boat. My 99 OL was far more updated and modern looking than any 90's cig. Cigs did not start looking very modern till 04 and even those use the same helm. Although I still love cigs for the classic lines and hopefully will be my next boat.

How can you compare a Cig to a Baja? Don't get me wrong they are nice boats for the money but there not comparable to a Top Gun. I would take a 1995 Gun in good shape over any Baja for the same price.

I'm guessing you aren't impartial looking at what boat you have.:cool:

Well, I am, (as I have only been tire kicking for years now- but buying this winter), and he's right - no real comparison.:party-smiley-004:

Had to back a brotha! :drink:

Man you guys are tuff but i can take it.:eek: Hey I sold my boat to get a cig and the boat in this thread is beautiful and one I would like to own. But no comparison you guys are right again. Lets say 99 for 99 same year boat. The Baja is way more refined than any Cig unless someone dumped an additional 50K into it for a major update. My Outlaw sat along side numerous cigs at different gathering both parked and running accross the ocean and it held it's own no problem. And i can't figure out why in the same price range Baja's sell much faster. And I noticed that the production numbers of the Baja's are over six times that of the cigs production yet there are far less Baja's for sale on line than Cigs. And I was told on this site in the Cig forum that the 36OL hull was the old 35 Mistress hull designed by Cig. and sold to Brunswick. OK enough defending my Baja, it made for a great first boat. Now i have to get shopping for a new boat.:ernaehrung004:

Cig's are custom boats, and valued for what they are, the top of the heap. Baja's are production boats, and they are everywhere, and their price reflects that.

If you're saying that a 99 Baja next to a 99 Cig of the same size, that they are the same value, I don't think anyone anywhere is believing it.:drink:

As to number of boats for sale, how long has baja been in production, and of those old boats, how many are worth even paying to advertise online? :party-smiley-004:

Wow I am surprised by this theread. I Dont know this 100K market very well but would have thought this boat would be closer to 100K. Maybe its my ignorance. when the first guy threw out 75K I thought Ill take it for that.

I really like the boat and good luck.

By the way someone said 1000 hp is a little low for this boat?

only if you want to go over 60:evilb:

So what if I had 750 hp per side?

Or better yet what will it take to get it up to 80?

Also tell me why this guy thinks he can get 97K for his fountain but only speculate 75K for this CIG?

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o24441-en.html

Bottom line is that with $75K in hand, you can't have this boat.