Whats it worth? 20 cig!!
 

http://cleveland.craigslist.org/boa/798310539.html What would be the sell price on this????

3k..you crack me up !!!:angry-smiley-038::ernaehrung004::cool-smiley-027:

5000.. i know cause i sold one in that shape, at that price, a few years ago in a good market...

good luck , im sorry i sold mine.. ill have another thats for sure....

Thats kind of what I was thinking...

If Steczs sold for $5000 in a good market. I agree $2500 to $3000 in this market.

I'd probably wait for another one. That one is going to be a lot of work to take on. If you want a full rebuild project like that, I'd look for one with the new style top and bottom.

Ok educate me.... Is this a bad 20??? Is the new style better?? What is the difference??? Thanks

Hey Brian .... hows it goin buddy !?!?!? Me too ... what is the "new style top and bottom " ???

Thanks !:ernaehrung004:

JM

The son of a gun has a molded fairing similar to a top gun, which raises the windshield a bit. There is also a pad step in the bottom of the hull at the transom. Good luck finding an affordable one though, there aren't many out there. Lip-Ship does have a new one for sale.

The newer version is on the right.

I think that is a little on the high side for the conditon. There was one on craigslist in STL recently for 4 G's. It was already sold by the time a I called about it. :(

No, the original style isn't bad at all. This one just "looks" like literally needs everything parts-wise, and the seat frames and interior will likely have to be fabricated if the owner doesn't have them. That spot on the port side of the inner transom worries me that water could have found it's way into the core, adding to the list of "un-fun" things to throw money at. I'd want to be sure at minimum the hull is structurally sound, since that's really all your buying with this particular one.

The newer style has a fairing instead of the classic windsheild, along with fixed seating instead of the swivel chairs. The newer bottom is a pad instead of rounded. That's probably a personal preference thing but the pad bottom is supposed to be faster. I haven't had any issues with the handling on mine. There are fast round bottom 20's out there too. You DEFINITELY want trim tabs on these boats no matter which bottom you have.

There are some extremely nice classic ones out there, but they were probably in pretty good condition before doing updates. Randy Wild's comes to mind as a nice original 20 that just paint and upholstery would make a major difference on. You'll need to add hydraulic steering if you want to go really fast.

I'm still learning all I can about these, but this is the knowledge I've gathered since I started looking around for one of my own. They're a BLAST! :ernaehrung004:

Who's Brian? :angry-smiley-038::drink:

Thanks guys!!!! She has the seats!!

What do you think its worth???

If you bought this and did it right which means sending it to Phil you'll have $150,000 in it easy.

This boat will need a new transom and probably stringers and everything will have to be re-worked. If i wanted a 20' i would by the one sitting in his shop with a 540 Zul.

OOOOPS !!!! Sorry Brandon ..... I'm kinda draggin azz today !:drink:

20 Cig
 

I personally went and looked at that boat. It is VERY ruff.

Ok if we agree with the above statement then who cares if its 2 or 4 or 6 or 10K?

The baot itself will be a drop in the bucket comparred to the rest of the bill.

On the other hand the purchase price becomes a factor if someone only wants to put 40-50K into it.

What do you think its worth???

Not more than a couple grand and that is being nice. I went down there expecting a "basket case" and it was alot worse than that. I think you would be better off with a different one. If I remember correctly the trailer was in pretty bad shape to and didn't fit the boat correctly. It had been sitting on it for a very long time.

Saw this one also ..... It is RUFF !!!!

Heard the girl that is selling it is pretty HOT though !?!?!?!?

Bought this Cig 20 for $8k
 

Well I picked this up Sunday night on ebay. The guy said it is pretty much "unmolested" and he has a few perf boats and seems credible...

I plan on installing a brand new GM Performance Crate engines (ala Sunkin) that's about 475 hp. Not sure on extra juice yet...

I just picked up a set of very nice Blackhawk drives and plan on using 1 for this Cig 20.

I have not decided what to do on color and upholstery, but if it is in fact original, will keep the yellow and try to find a complementary color stripe/scheme that is not too hot for upholstery functionality and looks sharp.

I am considering building in a 3 bolster bench seat for front and of course the dash will get a complete makeover with some vintage looking Livorsi stuff. Not a huge fan of the single swivel seats as they tend to break and feel a bit unstable. (Of course, I will keep them for originality's sake in future and may end up sticking with them.)

So I figure 8 on the boat, 4 on the drive, 6 on engine and drive incidentals, 5 on paint, 4 on upholsery, 2 on dash plus another 5 for over-budget and hope to be in the Spring for $34k give or take.

Obviously, it won't be a lipship gem, but good for my needs and my 4 kids to pound around with me...and someday on their own...

Any thoughts and suggestions are appreciated...thanks for all the info so far.

2500-3000 is what its worth right now in this market...

if it were in better shape id say 4000..

good luck and dont ask me again, im a busy man.....

Yo stecz.............................your killin me!!

Looks like 2K to me


I gotta go look at it

The one on craigs list did look rough, but no where near as rough as the 20' we are redoing for my client.. ( below is a "good pic" from after we gutted it.) His is literally getting everything except for frames & transom.. Althought the transom is getting plugged anyhow for repower.. Either way they are an awsome little ride. If one can finanially fo it I think it is worth while, just everbody has thier $$ limits as to what they are comfy with.. I know the one we are doing with what my customers plans are for it will cause it to be a high ticket $ job.. The other cool thing about the 20's is not everbody has one...

Jamie

Actually ..... it is so bad ..... a real # might be LESS then $2K ... especially in this mkt .

Got any pics???

Just put one up.. (scroll up a little).. There are also some pics on my site of it.. :)

We just got done fabbing a new windshield for it. Now working on a new fuel cell. Then body work, crack repair & then interior.. We are going old school burgundy & white pleats.. He wants it to look its vintage, but have the modern convieninces & turn key reliability.. Its also getting all new livorsi gauges.. We are also redoing the dash & deck centerpieces in teak.. Then the plan is moderate to big power... It will be killer... Right now we are thinking the smallest power to go in will be either a new Merc 525 or possibly a New Raylar aluminum small block set up.. Also he has thought about hving us wedge in a new Ilmor or merc 700nxt. We have some time though to choose the power.. Oh yeah, its also getting some big K planes installed too.. :) Jamie

some one need to keep post pics on this as the progress moves along. The fire fox was great.

I have a few big jobs going on at all times. I can post some of this cig as well as the other stuff, if there is an interest.. :) Jamie

How to power a 20 foot Cigarette
 

Jamie:

There is a beautiful 20" Cig in Miami thats being redone right now with a Raylar LSM550, it should be quite the little "rocket ship". This engine is the perfect repower for this hull!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

YES ! :ernaehrung004:

Yes your engine is one of the ones we are thinking of & reccomended to him. I personally like the power to weight ratio.. Also it will keep the space issue in the bilge nice & open.. :)

Jamie

Ok cool, I will post em as I get the chance.. :) Jamie

Throwing out the fact I wouldn't buy it at all, they would be hard pressed to get more than $1k out of me for it. There isn't a single thing on it that would get to stay, and that's just to get it seaworthy. The trailer isn't worth $20 and probably isn't safe enough to get it home, not to mention the wrong fit. If that rusty axle or wheel breaks.....:eek:

The question is "what will they be worth once all the restorable one's are gobbled up?"

Once that happens, guys will be paying $15K+ to buy a cosmetic resto, just to strip it bare & toss everything so they can send it to Phil.

This will seem like a steal when that happens.

True but when will that day get here?

Ill tell you we have interest. I will winterize my boat in 2 weeks and wont have it out till about may 15:mad:

Wow it is pretty rough.Needs everything.I would say its worth 1k to 2k at the most.