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Old 01-28-2009 | 02:24 PM
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Old 01-28-2009 | 02:34 PM
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lol...look it up, you'll see my grammar is correct.
i know, its a joke from a "Friends" episode - you had to have been there, it was funny in my head
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personally I think you are worrying about nothing, the boat will handle fine with either, they came that way(sbc and bbc) when they were made...so it's really a moot point.
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Originally Posted by CigaretteDon
Interesting point you brought up about planting the back end. I hate to spend all that money on that aluminum small block and the have steer funny etc. I hope Jamie at Lakeside read your last post

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Old 01-28-2009 | 03:31 PM
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Old 01-28-2009 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
personally I think you are worrying about nothing, the boat will handle fine with either, they came that way(sbc and bbc) when they were made...so it's really a moot point.

You are correct.

With the Raylar LSM 550 it is just about a wash in weight change from where he was originally by the time he is done, but he will have a lot more power!.

The boat originally had a SBC with a TRS in it.

Also He will be adding a hydraluic steering & K planes which it did not have before. SO he will be getting 2 plane pumps in the back and his battery(s) as well to help with keeping the balance proportioned nicely.

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Old 01-28-2009 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by klaw
that would be the question it appears a sbc versus bbc both cast iron is about 200 pounds different you could add that amount of weight in small increments to the bilge area if in fact you got the bow steering affect as someone noted

You are correct.. & I dont see where 200 #'s difference in the boat is going to create that problem.. Reducing weight is usually a good thing, Besides It's not like there isnt going to be any weight back there. Also many are forgetting that you can remove from a stock Merc engine package about 100#'s alone just by changing out the cast iron exhaust to a SM aluminum set or Headers.. Jamie
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Originally Posted by CigaretteDon
If using the smallblock - where would I add the extra weight? I think Raylar offers a 750 hp big block with aluminum heads. Thats plenty of hp for me...until someone beats me
They do offer a big hp BBC on the 496 platform with aluminum heads.

That said though you will add over 100 pounds in the engine weight alone over the LSM 550 small block. You will also LOOSE close cooling and you will need a bigger / heavier drive over the bravo if you follow the manufactures recomendations. An IMCO SCX extreme unit or a Konrad Ace set up are recomended if my memory serves correctly. These will also add more weight & noticably more expense than the LSM 550 set up will cost..

I can do this, but you will have to decide if the extra pro's & con's are worth it to you.. Jamie
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Old 01-28-2009 | 03:39 PM
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Just a tid bit or info on some current power & weights:

Info below is pulled from referencing Mercury's published/advertised current weights and Raylar's published/advertised current weights.. (these are not obviously shipping weights & weights listed are aproximates)..



350 Mag Mpi / Alpha 1 : with drive, cast iron exhaust, transom assembly, but no closed cooling.. 946 lbs
Engine only approximatley 670 lbs

350 Mag Mpi / Bravo 1 : with drive, cast iron exhaust, transom assembly, but no closed cooling.. 1044 lbs
Engine only approximatley 670 lbs

496 Mag HO / Bravo 1x : with drive, cast iron exhaust, transom assembly, closed cooling.. 1199 lbs
Engine only approximatley 880 lbs

525 Hp Efi / Bravo 1xr : with drive, SS Headers, transom assembly, closed cooling.. 1201 lbs
Engine only approximatley 882 lbs

Alpha drive 85 lbs
Bravo drive 125 lbs
Bravo standard Gimble housing assembly 120 lbs
Bravo inner transom plate assembly 20 lbs
Trim pump assembly approximately 16-20 lbs each
Plane pump assembly approximately 16-20 lbs each
Exhaust Y pipe assembly approximatley 25 lbs
Steering rack assembly approximatley 10 lbs

Raylar LSM 550 is about 543 lbs engine assembly with accessories.

Raylar 750HO is about 643 lbs without the accessories, probably about 8-900 lbs with accessories & trim.


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That stuff said some other stuff popped into mind.

When people swap out the cast iron exhaust manifolds on standard merc power for headers or aluminum manifolds like Stainless marine it can reduce weight by about 75-120 lbs

The difference in weight between a Merc SBC engine with drive package and the Raylar lsm 550 with drive package is anywhere between approximatley 30lbs heavier & 160 lbs lighter depending on how it is equipped and set up..

The difference in weight between a Merc BBC engine with drive package and the Raylar lsm 550 with drive package is anywhere between approximatley 200-350 lbs lighter depending on how it is equipped and set up..

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Originally Posted by ONESICKGLADIATOR
How much HP can the Black hawk Drive Handle

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The design is off of a bravo 1, so 5-600 depending on driver & conditions, however I am sure some people have put much more than that to them. Jamie
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