Oh you know her !!! :drink:

Anyone got pics of the red JT boat ?

[QUOTE=pm203;2790059]Phil does have an advantage of being close to the manufactoring. The point your making is poor quality control at Cig and if someone is not watching over them they can not perform as well.

How may hours on the motors and drives of this new boat?

[QUOTE=Brad;2791185]I'm not making that point at all. However, when you are building a hand assembled boat like a Cig, its always better to have someone watch the build. And, Phil might also reccomend either lowering or raising the X-dimension based on his clients needs amongst other things that I really don't want to get into. Cigarette Quality is among the best. Buying from Phil guarantees that and steps it up another notch.

The redo turned out fantastic.

The drives are brand new.

I'm not making that point at all. However, when you are building a hand assembled boat like a Cig, its always better to have someone watch the build. And, Phil might also reccomend either lowering or raising the X-dimension based on his clients needs amongst other things that I really don't want to get into. Cigarette Quality is among the best. Buying from Phil guarantees that and steps it up another notch.[/QUOTE]


You are kicking a dead horse. These guys don’t have a clue what Phil actually does to these boats and for his customers.
Let them go buy a used $160,000.00 worn out boat that needs engines, drives, interior and paint. They will have $200,000.00 into a boat if they do the work themselves.
Most likely it won’t get finished or detailed to make the selling price any ware near what they have into it.
When I was running in the mid 70mph range I wanted to go in the mid 80mph. Know that I an in the mid 90mph I sometime think I would like to run 105mph. It doesn’t matter how fast I am running someone is always faster then me and I am trying to keep up.
My old boat may not be the fastest but with Phil’s help you would have never known it the way it drew a crowd on the 2007 Miami to Key West poker run. It even made it into Cigarettes Smokin’ magazine, pg.100
I started out thinking that I could come close to a finished product similar to Phil. I was never happy until I shipped the boat to Phil and he worked his magic.
If you are trying to be logical buy a bout that is 100% finished and as close to new as possible rather then doing what I did.

Phil will get the money for this boat because it is as close to new as you can get and the new owner will have a Lip-Ship addition Cigarette and will also realize that there will always be someone faster on the water.
This boat will draw a crowd also.
If these guys want to go fast and dont care how it is finished (production boat) they certainly should not be looking at a Cigarette or a Lip-Ship Cigarette.
There are fast cookie cutter boats out there, go buy one.

Stopped by last week while I was in town. Boat looks great.

Well, I guess if you're just set on having a negative perception about Cigarette, then I suppose that would be how you are going to read into any comments made during this discussion? They are custom, so automatically more attention is required over a production boat that are all the same.

If the buyer changes his mind during the build, or he see's something that needs to be changed BEFORE it's too late, LipShip is going to catch it WAY before a dealer or owner that lives 2,000 miles away, and see's the boat twice during the entire build. Just like any other boat builder, Cigarette builds what you tell them to.....and sometimes what you tell them gets changed slightly, or heavily. Many changes cannot be discussed correctly over the phone or email.

Again, COULD any of the others do this exact same thing? Of course, but they usually don't. Location plays a big part, not having the time, or enough staff to fly the salesman down often enough. They usually have other boat lines with customers to pay attention to, that require the same dedication as if they were buying a Cigarette.

As a buyer, it's not my problem that a dealer chooses to have their dealership in Alaska, or wherever. If I can't check on the project myself as often as I'd like, I'd expect the dealer to be on the exact same page as myself, and to be able to eyeball it for me. That being the case, I'd prefer a dealer that has easy access to the factory, or makes frequent trips there. Lipship usually has just a few projects going at a time, therefore they can spend that much more attention to each of them. This is exactly why Skater, MTI, OL, only build a small number of boats in a year. More boats = less attention to detail, which adds to the chance something gets overlooked, or confused with another boat.