2000 TopGun Lip-Ship Resto
02-02-2009 | 03:14 PM
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From: Cora
Well, I guess if you're just set on having a negative perception about Cigarette, then I suppose that would be how you are going to read into any comments made during this discussion? They are custom, so automatically more attention is required over a production boat that are all the same.
If the buyer changes his mind during the build, or he see's something that needs to be changed BEFORE it's too late, LipShip is going to catch it WAY before a dealer or owner that lives 2,000 miles away, and see's the boat twice during the entire build. Just like any other boat builder, Cigarette builds what you tell them to.....and sometimes what you tell them gets changed slightly, or heavily. Many changes cannot be discussed correctly over the phone or email.
Again, COULD any of the others do this exact same thing? Of course, but they usually don't. Location plays a big part, not having the time, or enough staff to fly the salesman down often enough. They usually have other boat lines with customers to pay attention to, that require the same dedication as if they were buying a Cigarette.
As a buyer, it's not my problem that a dealer chooses to have their dealership in Alaska, or wherever. If I can't check on the project myself as often as I'd like, I'd expect the dealer to be on the exact same page as myself, and to be able to eyeball it for me. That being the case, I'd prefer a dealer that has easy access to the factory, or makes frequent trips there. Lipship usually has just a few projects going at a time, therefore they can spend that much more attention to each of them. This is exactly why Skater, MTI, OL, only build a small number of boats in a year. More boats = less attention to detail, which adds to the chance something gets overlooked, or confused with another boat.
If the buyer changes his mind during the build, or he see's something that needs to be changed BEFORE it's too late, LipShip is going to catch it WAY before a dealer or owner that lives 2,000 miles away, and see's the boat twice during the entire build. Just like any other boat builder, Cigarette builds what you tell them to.....and sometimes what you tell them gets changed slightly, or heavily. Many changes cannot be discussed correctly over the phone or email.
Again, COULD any of the others do this exact same thing? Of course, but they usually don't. Location plays a big part, not having the time, or enough staff to fly the salesman down often enough. They usually have other boat lines with customers to pay attention to, that require the same dedication as if they were buying a Cigarette.
As a buyer, it's not my problem that a dealer chooses to have their dealership in Alaska, or wherever. If I can't check on the project myself as often as I'd like, I'd expect the dealer to be on the exact same page as myself, and to be able to eyeball it for me. That being the case, I'd prefer a dealer that has easy access to the factory, or makes frequent trips there. Lipship usually has just a few projects going at a time, therefore they can spend that much more attention to each of them. This is exactly why Skater, MTI, OL, only build a small number of boats in a year. More boats = less attention to detail, which adds to the chance something gets overlooked, or confused with another boat.
02-02-2009 | 04:34 PM
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From: Channel Islands, So. Cal.
If you're asking what makes a lip-ship edition special, it has been discussed and debated over and over again. There's a few people that don't understand it or say that any dealer can do what phil does. Most have never been a customer of his. Phils service is unmatched in the industry. As stated, he overseas every detail of his boats build and adds/changes things frequently along the way to meet his customers needs. His boats have been feature in more magazines, tv and advertisements than any other dealer. His concepts are routinely put into practice by cigarette.
You say you don't see the difference, well maybe not at a quick glance. It's attention to detail from the paint jobs that are routinely copied to the added "bling" that he was doing before it was the standard to getting the most speed out of a boat.
Bottom line. Read my signature line. Pretty much sums it up.
You say you don't see the difference, well maybe not at a quick glance. It's attention to detail from the paint jobs that are routinely copied to the added "bling" that he was doing before it was the standard to getting the most speed out of a boat.
Bottom line. Read my signature line. Pretty much sums it up.
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02-02-2009 | 05:34 PM
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I would equate Phil to be what AMG is to Mercedes. A thought out race knowledge and him directing the factory to do things a little different, more refined for the user. Phils vast knowledge of setups and what works, will make his TG a few mph faster than a stock one from the factory. Cig doesn't have the hands on race experience phil does, and that equates to a better designed product.
02-02-2009 | 06:00 PM
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their input, I never expected such a big response.
Went down to see the boat Saturday and put together a deal with Phil this afternoon!
Since this is my first high performance boat I'll probably be on this forum quite a bit looking for advice.
Thanks again!
Went down to see the boat Saturday and put together a deal with Phil this afternoon!
Since this is my first high performance boat I'll probably be on this forum quite a bit looking for advice.
Thanks again!
02-02-2009 | 06:24 PM
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From: Cora
I would equate Phil to be what AMG is to Mercedes. A thought out race knowledge and him directing the factory to do things a little different, more refined for the user. Phils vast knowledge of setups and what works, will make his TG a few mph faster than a stock one from the factory. Cig doesn't have the hands on race experience phil does, and that equates to a better designed product.
02-02-2009 | 06:51 PM
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their input, I never expected such a big response.
Went down to see the boat Saturday and put together a deal with Phil this afternoon!
Since this is my first high performance boat I'll probably be on this forum quite a bit looking for advice.
Thanks again!
Went down to see the boat Saturday and put together a deal with Phil this afternoon!
Since this is my first high performance boat I'll probably be on this forum quite a bit looking for advice.
Thanks again!
02-02-2009 | 07:58 PM
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their input, I never expected such a big response.
Went down to see the boat Saturday and put together a deal with Phil this afternoon!
Since this is my first high performance boat I'll probably be on this forum quite a bit looking for advice.
Thanks again!
Went down to see the boat Saturday and put together a deal with Phil this afternoon!
Since this is my first high performance boat I'll probably be on this forum quite a bit looking for advice.
Thanks again!
..and welcome to the Cigarette family.
Craig
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