What is this gun worth in this market?
 

Just curious what price this gun is worth in this market and would you be concerned buying it with non merc engines

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o27066-en.html

You should call the guy and see what you are getting. :coolcowboy:

I've done that and he is a great guy. My last cig i bought has been a disaster with the engines and i don't want to go through it again.

Boat looks great but that is quite a premium still for a straight bottom Gun when you can buy one like Wild's which is in great condition, an 03, with step bottom, stock power for not a whole lot more. There are several more like this but his came to mind in the $140k range and there are several others like it out there. Just my .02. Good luck shopping.

I would say it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it! Great looking boat though!!

I know the seller and the boat very well. He had a short string of bad engines due to a builder who was giving him a snow-job. The current engines are top notch and rock solid; built by a totally different shop. The boat is so sharp, and very clean. It does not look its age at all, not even close. The KV boat is going to be a big lighter than the rest of the straight bottom boats of it's time.

Jim is a 1000% straight shooter. He's got a brand new aluminum Myco and the totally redone steel Target trailer. Either can go with the boat. They have elected to totally redo their house, and their kids have gotten into sports and wake-boarding, etc. etc; so they just are not wrapped around the sport the way they used to be. Give him a call--send him and email--make him an offer. I think you will be pleased with his response.

Under 100K

Unfortunately he has a limited audience

Fortunately it would be an easy boat to repaint. The paint does not wrap over onto the deck, just the sides, and it's not completely covered in paint.

nice looking rig. super clean.

Almost any 2001 ,2002 Twin step is worth 110K - 115k today. Doesnt matter what they are asking , that is REAL money, which is what you will get on trade.

Deduct 15k for new paint
deduct 10k for non merc motors ( thats the new owners insurance policy if anything goes wrong with motors)
now deduct being a flat bottom.. 10k - 15k maybe 20k.


Nice looking and clean boat, but it is what it is

tres set the market with the sale of that one straight bottom with 60hrs.

???????

The 96 Gun without power?

Ever hear the phrase: "We are our own worst enemy." ... ?

By the time you guys are done, you will want a check, the truck, and have him deliver it to your house.

Yeah, everything is doom and gloom with people giving the stuff away.....

That may happen some if people must unload in this economy, but someone with a nice product that doesn't have to sell it now will wait for the right buyer. And that boat IS worth more.

AND IMHO, I would take take boat over any early twin step with HP500's....

God, seriously...There's another saying that we've all heard...Opinions are like azzholes; everyones got one and most of 'em stink.

Whats this boat worth?...Every penny...How much you got? Make and offer and buy it. Unless you're buying or have a stake in it, your opinion is worth d!ck.

Just my .02

Not everyone that sells cheap has to. Perhaps they have found a new toy on the cheap and want to dump theirs.

My neighbor got offered twice what he paid for his boat a few weeks ago. I guess he should have taken it and "set the market."

Then we would all be better off right?

B I N G O !

I believe it was a 99 with decent sized power and 3a's (maybe), but one motor was taken apart. So it definitely wasn't turnkey, but I think went for 70 ish. It was a cool boat.

To be more specific, I was responding to the post above that priced the Flag boat in the $70's range after his deductions stating "It is what it is"

My only statement was that boat (that I have seen twice I think over the last couple years) is worth considerably more.

AND the only OPINION portion of my post is that I would take that boat over an early TS with HP500's......which I would for many reasons including drives, cabin comfort, etc.....GEEZ! Are no opinions allowed anymore on here!

I guess we'll find out what that Gun is worth when it sells....maybe....

Have you guys noticed that there is an 01 twin step for 99k?

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o29331-en.html

there is another on there for 125k with "make an offer must sell"

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o28323-en.html

Wilds 03 boat is under 140k and now earlier t/s cigs are heading towards 100k.

The first boat is a repo with 600 hours on it and needs some lovin'....Though a buddy may be buying it this week:eek:

I believe I read the second one needs some TLC too.

"You get what you pay for" rings true 9 times out of 10 I find. But hey, keep rolling the dice, sifting throught the crap looking for the 1%

AMEN

the problem with this economy guys is that markets dictate prices. I cant give my cigarette away.

I am finding a lot of guys that are just getting away from the powerboats all together. That decreases the market sample that you can pull from. Factor in a slowing economy, and you can't even give one away, much less sell it.

you get what you pay for u buy it cheap and usually it needs work, pictures and in person are two different worlds, with the hours on these boats looks like time for new heads on the HP 500s find out if they were done or not otherwise one bad exhaust seat can cause a whole lot of headache the first boat is real nice i don't know about 800Hp from natural 540's but i am not one to judge a new Cigarette still sells for a lot more than that and as far as the straight bottom hull for me its the only way to go I will give up some speed for my cadillac ride

Tony, post that pic you have airing out your 35. That's SICK!

Yep. This has been beat to death in the last couple years. Some people need to unload boats and some don't. Those that must unload will be willing to make a helluva deal to someone. Those that aren't will continue to enjoy their boats and if the right money comes along.........

Big power for Bravo's, best to attend the JT school of throttling..

SWEET! boat. I'd pay 129K for it if it didn't need any work. I wouldn't worry about the motors just cause their non-merc. Those carbed engines are very simple and easy to work on and NEW. I also favor the straight hull over the step. Very forgiving.....I'm not always the best driver after a long day on the water and tabs/drives pumps don't always work right:drink: Just my .02

pic for tank
 

you got it tank

Tony, in that first pic, the way the water is breaking off the hull amidships, almost makes it look like a TS!

Are those shorties on your boat?

BTW, great pics!

Sweet shots TS

LS

not water...check pic #2 :)

Nice spot Sean. Shoulda picked that up!:lolhit:

Awesome shot!!:drink:

Beautiful pics Tony.

I'm thinking about getting into a used Top Gun and have little experience in the performance boat sector. Does anybody have any strong pros or cons for 525 or 575 Mercs? How long will those motors actually run? Also, what does a complete engine/drive rebuild cost for that setup. I figure with looking at boats around 250-300 hours they need to be completely gone through correct? Thanks for the advice ahead of time.

03 just sold for $165 with 750 cobra's
 

This 38 was like new very very clean boat its headed to NJ sold for $165K

Does anybody have any strong pros or cons for 525 or 575 Mercs? pros of the 575 is it's faster and can be upgraded easier to more power, cons more expensive to maintain because of supercharger rebuilds and 91 octaine fuel. Both are great motors but 525 is more popular because if closed cooling, 87 octaine and near same speed. I'd own a boat with either had one with a 575 and had 0 problems with it.

Also owned boats with 350 mag, 454 Mag MPI, Merc 525sc's and my current boat has 500 EFIs. I've had little to no problems with any merc motor.

How long will those motors actually run? Depends but with maintenance and freshing of valve trane at the proper times 700 hours is not unhead of, also depends on fresh or salt water.



Also, what does a complete engine/drive rebuild cost for that setup.for a complete rebuild, including pumps, hoses, couplers, injectors, boring yadda and so on $10-$15K a motor. If your only going to reuse the block, oil pan and intake, you'll be at the $15K number. Good refresh half that.

I figure with looking at boats around 250-300 hours they need to be completely gone through correct? Probably not depending. You likely will need some head work. Lower ends likely may be solid as a rock. Depends on the prior owners. You may buy a 125 hour motor and have find it to be roached out because of poor care.