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Originally Posted by Mike Baldwin
(Post 3073177)
I think now your talken that 540 motor will give you a lot of bang for your buck i have one in my 20 and it has done a graet job . But if you have a little extra money i would go with aluminun heads to save the wieght
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Wood Running Stakes??????
WOOD RUNNING STAKES?????? any one know if there chine's are wood as mine are? I know my bertram chine's are hallow and they lay in mat first right after gellcoating then the roving was built on top.. The 20 that I have has wood running stakes screwed thro the hull and then glass caped..... my thinking is that cig spent a lot of cash hand making chin's for each boat and used foam in there deck to save the lbs added in hard wood under there boats... Or they built the wood plug with no chine and set the chine on the first glass boat test ran the boat as an out drive... then used it as there plug to make there mold's.... then sold it cuz it was a boat, they were new, and judging by the lack of resin in the lay up over the chine that is mostly dry, they need money... This may be why I have wood chines and holes for both jet drive and old style out drive, I think there were 3 boats sold by cig in 1972 this is one of them with out a ??? but I can't see a builder who had started 3 lines of speed boats, who used foam core when other builders were still loving balsa core, using hard wood for the chine .... first off the cost is just an extra one to use wood chine, you need to pay for the lumber, brass screws and labor to make the chine.... second it be hard to say the least to make each boat close to the same over any # of years cutting and shaping and mounting takes skill lay up is cheap labor.....
I have seen a lot of peeled boat bottoms and never seen a wood glassed in to the bottom un less it was an after thought by the owner..... I think, and I am 100% talking smack here but.. there was a 72 20" cig sold on this site also had no HIN and may be at Phil's in miami... if that boat has glass chine, foam chine, or hallow chine... My boat was the plug for all the 20's, if it has a wood chine I just do not know what they were thinking............ non the less it is going to make fixing the jet pick up simple, all I have to do is strip the very thin dry glass off with a screw driver! and un screw the lumber chine around the hole!!!!!!!!!!! By the way if any one has screws running up thro your hull like my boat and sadly cig did build boats like this I'd cut the tips off the screws and glass over them... an un reinforced screw thro a fiberglass hull is a big no,no why we put a wood backing! if the screw is struck you can end up with a very, very fast leak, or pencil size hole........ |
with 6 stringers she is a strong little boat!
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I had heard a couple of the early ones were very different, from the pics yours also has a pad for the pickup for the jet and not a full round transom. Bob Saccenti rigged the jet ones I believe. you may have one of the very first ones.
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
(Post 3075851)
I had heard a couple of the early ones were very different, from the pics yours also has a pad for the pickup for the jet and not a full round transom. Bob Saccenti rigged the jet ones I believe. you may have one of the very first ones.
OK.... I have respect for the guy who was at the helm when cig started you know the man, thing is he must have been a smart guy to have started 4 boat builders that are still alive to day.... and a smart guy dose not do any thing twice he dose not have to.... now if it was the guys first time around the block or a no name builder... I'd say ok, but it was not. and it was not even close to the first boat under his belt. so to see foam core in the deck in 1972 is a big wow for the time and says a lot... its very simple if the mold cig has that phil used to build his 20's has chine in the mold. that means it was with out a ??? pulled from a boat with wood running stakes... see my boat was with out ???? pulled from a mold with no running stakes.. now once you go thro carving the chines from lumber and attaching them to the boat, rigging and test running the boat, I do not think you'd sell the boat to do it all over, not if you wanted to make any money any way..... see in about 1/2 the time of doing all that a second time. you can pull a hull mold with all the holes in the right places the chine where they need to be and you save a week or two off every build from that point on.. and you get rid of a lot of lumber the little strips add up you know there 20 feet long and bigger then 1/2 a 2x4.... un less I see some wood core out of a 20's chine it leads me to think this boat was the plug for them all.... |
I removed the jet drive pick up to day... I can see how she was built and will add photos soon.....
this 20 cig was layed up in a mold with no running stakes. they gel coated the bottom wight and sides red.. then layed in the mat then roving cloth... after pulling the hull from the mold they screwed the running stakes in and glassed over them you can see the gellcoat thro the glass... then the bottom was faired about 1/4 thick all across the bottom and painted to the water line that was oddly blue?.... this was a lot of work like way, way, way, way to much to do twice if you ask any one who dose this every day.. and drives the cost of building a fiber glass boat thro the roof. in fact makes it point less... labor to build 4 complex bend running stakes, painting a boat that other wise only needs gell coat, fairing the whole bottom of the boat,,,, is all needless labor that takes days if not weeks.... I think we may be looking at the prototype for the 20' cig.. We also may very well be looking at the boat used to make the mold for the 20' cig.... The fact is this boat was not built in the 20' cig production mold there was no 20' mold yet not like my boat any way... that may make it the first 20 cig... and kinda a hand built boat by don.. |
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first photo is the chine where it was blown out.... second photo is the jet pad lumber opened up... third photo is a close up of the pad,
photos 4 & 5 are of the grinding..... |
Any one want a new round bottom 20" Cig in carbon. Think I can do a hull and deck for 25k. Be ez to make a mold with the hull plug.
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