Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3205698)

I will put the constuction and fit and finish of any old sutphen up against any flat bottom cigarette. Have you owned and been on multiple boats of both kind?? The Sutphen is light weight because its built correctly and doesnt need all the crap Cig threw in the boat. I love Cigarette's but a Sutphen is much much faster boat, built and rigged better, and can hang with a Cigarette in the rough any day. There's plenty of Sutphens around. The owners just hang on to them forever because its such a good boat. Why dont you bring your boat on a poker run and well see where you end up!! A flat bottom Cigarette has never been ahead of me at any poker run!!

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3205703)

Good choice on the Outerlimits. The bottom designs and construction techniques make Cigarette (modern day 2010) look like they're still from the stone age. No offense cause they build and rig a great boat but they need to come to reality the technology has advanced quite a bit since 1980.

Originally Posted by 30ctsutphen (Post 3205471)

Man you guys just have to keep throwing more power at your boats to be happy with them.

I have 2 measley 300"x on my boat and I am very happy with it. Christ thats just about a fishing boat. Does everything well though.
I guess you guys need to be up against something with comparable HP, so Jimmy knowles sutphen with tripple 300x's would be a good match, That's only 900 HP I am sure you guys are running at least that.

Whats he running about 96 MPH these days?

Originally Posted by 30ctsutphen (Post 3205490)

Well I could see why you would think it was being towed.

I mean being a cig owner you realize thats the only way a cig could run those numbers.

However this is a sutphen we are talking about, so its under its own power and yes, IN THE WATER!


In fact theres video of it doing just that on you tube.

Now I know your used to that 65 MPH that most cigs run, and its hard to believe that with not much more HP a SUTPHEN can run that fast (96) but its true. Not only that, but it was done on 3 FISHIN MOTAS.

Thats OK we are still suprised a CIG could run tripple digits even on a trailer. With that Hull design you think that would be to rough for it>LOL

Originally Posted by 30ctsutphen (Post 3205631)

Frank My boat is in the sound every weekend?

I have seen you on the sound SEVERAL times. THere are less sutphens because they are CUSTOM MADE not mass produced!


each one is lovingly handled buy true craftsmen to be just about perfect in every way.

1/2 the cigarettes produced from 1970's to 1990's wouldnt run over 65 MPH. I see them getting spanked by jetskis all day long on the river! They are famous for being slow among jetskiers, a favorite target!

RXP's lay waste to them on a regular basis and thats a fact!

My boat is dead stock and it will walk a RXP all day long in any water and its a boat with OB's on it that was built 100% as a pleasure boat not a go fast boat. Its got seating for 8 for christ sake.LOL


Now if we are just speaking of how fast a boat is a cig is on the bottom. Lets face it ANY CAT will spank its AZZ all day long, so if speed is our only concern both our boats are getting walked like crazy.

Sick and I were just playing with eachother, but I told him at least one of the CIG guys would take this seriously and get his panties all in a bunch.LOL

I didnt think it'd be you of all people.

There are 50 other makes on this site and all have thier good and bad points. We mess with you CIG guys because you think you own the be all end all of performance boats and we find your cockiness funny.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. I like cigarettes, but they are not the 10 steps above boats that CIG owners think they are.......

For the record SICK came into the SUTPHEN FORUMS throwing STONES we didnt get all cranky and *****y. We know were the best boat made.LOL

Originally Posted by cig92 (Post 3206014)

i would be happy to run in front of him at any poker run in a 92 38 tg. any water any speed any time. 100+. dont get me wrong, i'm not saying a negative word about his sutphin. just saying i wont have a problem running at the front.

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3206069)

Yep im a stupid 21 year old who doesnt know anything and Cigarette is the best boat built in the history of the world. I finally see the light.................have a nice day. I am not posting in this thread again.

Originally Posted by klaw (Post 3206455)

my boats faster then your boat nah nah nah

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3206447)

It seems to me that you've had a chip on your shoulder regarding Cig's ever since your buddies over at Ocean Performance discontinued their relationship with Cigarette as a dealer and in turn started dealing Outerlimits. You can review the post history for yourself...its pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3206777)

brand-aid is what most cigarette owners drink. the same people prolly think a rolex is the best watch made. :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3206777)

brand-aid is what most cigarette owners drink. the same people prolly think a rolex is the best watch made. :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by VtSteve (Post 3206852)

I was just online at both company's sites. Hands down winner is Cigarette, not even a fair contest. The opening water scene is very cool, and hey, They even have the Cigarette name on the speaker grilles, how kewl is that? It's all custom of course, so no problem getting an eight track player.

The Sutphen pics don't enlarge, everything's very white. No movies, no nuttin. But if you go to the Sutphenboats.com site, then you get the model babe, very cool. And, they offer a 5.0 with an Alpha

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3206759)

this is the dad...you might want to get your facts right about Cigarette and Outerlimts and Ocean Performance and our loyalty to anyone brand..we really do not have one...QUOTE]

I think my facts are just fine... just don't recall you (whichever one of you that might be) discussing OL much before they stopped dealing Cigarette. Then there was this quote from one of you.

If your refering to the Miami show 44 then that was the Carbon Fiber printed leather which I have not seen yet in any other boat. This is not your typical carbon fiber vinyl. The interiors now are done in house here at Outerlimits.

So is one of you working at or do you own OL now?

BTW just did a little search of the OL forum:

2004: 1 post
2005: 2 posts
2006: 8 posts
2007: 77 posts

did you mention something about facts?

Originally Posted by klaw (Post 3206455)

my boats faster then your boat nah nah nah

Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3206777)

brand-aid is what most cigarette owners drink. the same people prolly think a rolex is the best watch made. :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by 4195 (Post 3206884)

Breitling is the best watch everyone knows that. I have to say I have never been in the Power Play forum . It always amazes me all the nay sayers hang out in here, but I guess it is like they say imitation is the best form of flattery

Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3206777)

brand-aid is what most cigarette owners drink. the same people prolly think a rolex is the best watch made. :party-smiley-004:

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3206847)

I work for the company so I can inform people about the brand. Where have you been? Are they my favorite boat in the entire world, close but no. Vee bottom, yes. Again your facts about Ocean Performance are wrong as usual.

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3206759)

this is the dad...you might want to get your facts right about Cigarette and Outerlimts and Ocean Performance and our loyalty to anyone brand..we really do not have one...QUOTE]

I think my facts are just fine... just don't recall you (whichever one of you that might be) discussing OL much before they stopped dealing Cigarette. Then there was this quote from one of you.

If your refering to the Miami show 44 then that was the Carbon Fiber printed leather which I have not seen yet in any other boat. This is not your typical carbon fiber vinyl. The interiors now are done in house here at Outerlimits.

So is one of you working at or do you own OL now?

BTW just did a little search of the OL forum:

2004: 1 post
2005: 2 posts
2006: 8 posts
2007: 77 posts

did you mention something about facts?

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3206937)

So you work for Outerlimits but don't have loyalty to the brand? I'd fire your azz.

Sorry for recognizing the blatant coincidence.

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3207071)

I never said I didnt......I did say best Vee bottom!! Can you read? I have the utmost loyalty and respect for Mike and Outerlimits.