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mmb 05-18-2016 03:59 PM

Bad fuel distribution at low speeds and the fact the other engine never stalls no matter how many times you shift.

jmoore1225 05-19-2016 08:21 AM

Buddy has one listed on Powerboat swap shop on Facebook

kreed 05-19-2016 08:37 AM

mmb..you said that OSOers are leaving the boards because of ICCDEDPPL and MILD THUNDER??? Hmmmm......they are the only reason Im still here! You have to admit, they are very entertaining.

mmb 05-19-2016 12:34 PM

jmoore - thanks he text me last night waiting for a few more pics.

kreed - I won't bother updating this thread anymore, not worth my time.

mmb 05-19-2016 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by jmoore1225 (Post 4440782)
Buddy has one listed on Powerboat swap shop on Facebook

Just bought it!

ICDEDPPL 05-19-2016 11:53 PM

mmb is taking his baseball and going home. Ha!
I`d do some carb tuning. Fuel distribution because of a weld seems like a stretch .

mmb 05-20-2016 12:23 AM

Building 1 perfect blower out of the 2! I will send those cobled up rotors to you and you can carb tune to your little hearts content!!

kreed 05-20-2016 06:09 AM

Dont stop updating. Its is great to follow a good build thread......you just cant take these guys too seriously.

Full Force 05-20-2016 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 4440886)
jmoore - thanks he text me last night waiting for a few more pics.

kreed - I won't bother updating this thread anymore, not worth my time.

You had no issues at all drilling me on my thread, take it like a man and deal with it, it's the internet... Guys have opinions and some are good, some are bad... Karma sucks huh?

frickstyle 05-20-2016 06:34 AM

You should keep updating it, I'm sure you have more likes than negative commentary.

1MOSES1 05-20-2016 06:55 AM

Keep the updates coming. F*ck em. Don't let a few bad apples ruin your thread. Sick project looks amazing. Nice work.

donzi matt 05-20-2016 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4441139)
You had no issues at all drilling me on my thread, take it like a man and deal with it, it's the internet... Guys have opinions and some are good, some are bad... Karma sucks huh?

LOL @ Tim.

mmb 05-20-2016 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4441139)
You had no issues at all drilling me on my thread, take it like a man and deal with it, it's the internet... Guys have opinions and some are good, some are bad... Karma sucks huh?

No Karma here... Getting ready for Jacksonville!!!! Hopefully I will have another almost perfect mega blower to match!!!

Just rebuilt the steering cylinders last night! Installed all new curcuit breakers! My boat should be as mechanically reliable as a brand new one now!!

mmb 05-20-2016 09:05 AM

Little 100 Mile run over the weekend!!


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mmb 05-20-2016 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4441139)
You had no issues at all drilling me on my thread, take it like a man and deal with it, it's the internet... Guys have opinions and some are good, some are bad... Karma sucks huh?

You need some reading comprehension classes. After you blew yours up you said AFR sent you bad heads and your lifters were the wrong size. Fact is you never checked guide clearance or machined the lifter bores in a new dart block.

dont you guys something better to do??? Does your boat not run??? Im about to splash mine and test new props!!!! Would you like to see pictures? Or maybe I should just carb tune so the old props will work again!!!!

This forum is a f#**cking joke.. Im going boating!

Zero Patience 05-20-2016 01:43 PM

I got Mark 2 sets of 5 blades to try, the fours might go fast, but I don't run mine WFO, I enjoy the Cruise, for 100-200 miles per trip. They (Cigs)are to much to wash for any trip shorter. In my opinion. The salt takes a while to get completely removed.

I have a cool video from last trip but you tube is not helping.

Zero Patience 05-20-2016 02:08 PM

Video
https://youtu.be/hcYDT-JZilQ

mrpickett357 05-20-2016 05:49 PM

Hey! I recognize that one!
Could you smell the race gas?!

Great weekend. Great friends.

Lock & Load

Full Force 05-20-2016 09:47 PM

LOLOLOL you only know what you think happened, not what actually happened, while you were fixing your engines a second time I was out boating all summer with mine and no issues, yet I am the idiot? you barely had any time and had to redo yours AGAIN... hmmmm

mine runs great, already boated this year and again this weekend... apparently I did something right... carry on... lol


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 4441302)
You need some reading comprehension classes. After you blew yours up you said AFR sent you bad heads and your lifters were the wrong size. Fact is you never checked guide clearance or machined the lifter bores in a new dart block.

dont you guys something better to do??? Does your boat not run??? Im about to splash mine and test new props!!!! Would you like to see pictures? Or maybe I should just carb tune so the old props will work again!!!!

This forum is a f#**cking joke.. Im going boating!


mmb 05-21-2016 05:57 AM

We had 80hrs on the old engines... Overheat doesnt really count as a 2-3 hour redo/blowup... Things happen with these boats. I already have 10 hours on the new ones. I rebuilt the entire boat last year, mechanical and electrical!! We spent $58,000 on this old thing last year and its finally getting to the standards I want it to be at!!

New Exhaust & Tail Pipes
New Trans Planetaries
New Engines
New Carbs
New Engine Accesory Brackets
New Painted Valve Covers
New Wiring Harnesses Boat
New Wiring Harnesses Engines
New Bilge Fans
New GPS' Units both sides
New 2 5/8 Gauges
New Trim Cables
New Tab Cables
New Switches
New Carbon Dash Panels
New Glass Dave Hatch
New Glass Dave Dash Caps
New Water Lines
New Fuel Lines
New Sea Pumps
New 13 Plate Engine Coolers
New 9 Plate Trans Coolers
New Hardin Bellhousings
New Starters
New Fuel Pumps Electrical
New Circuit Breakers
New MSD Distributor Ignitions
New Stereo
New Led Speakers & Subs

Items Already done in 2016
New Steering Cylinder Rebuilds
Extra Mega Blower
New Props
New Anchors & Lines
New 60x24 Garage going up




Happy to hear yours is running great! Im glad you were able to build your engines again and use your boat for a few hours while I did all the above!!

Full Force 05-21-2016 07:06 AM

Cool story... Carry on.

twinscrews 05-21-2016 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 4441228)

You had to wade pretty deep to get some of those pics in some chilly water Mark, LOL

ICDEDPPL 05-21-2016 08:39 AM

I`m just mad cause our season is 2 weeks long, I`m still in the garage assembling 2nd motor , I won`t make any power with an off the shelf cam, I still need to build two 4 cylinder engines to power my roots blowers and I`m stuck in a half car garage!

Enjoy your boating Jerk!

:D

frickstyle 05-21-2016 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by mmb (Post 4441531)
We had 80hrs on the old engines... Overheat doesnt really count as a 2-3 hour redo/blowup... Things happen with these boats. I already have 10 hours on the new ones. I rebuilt the entire boat last year, mechanical and electrical!! We spent $58,000 on this old thing last year and its finally getting to the standards I want it to be at!!

New Exhaust & Tail Pipes
New Trans Planetaries
New Engines
New Carbs
New Engine Accesory Brackets
New Painted Valve Covers
New Wiring Harnesses Boat
New Wiring Harnesses Engines
New Bilge Fans
New GPS' Units both sides
New 2 5/8 Gauges
New Trim Cables
New Tab Cables
New Switches
New Carbon Dash Panels
New Glass Dave Hatch
New Glass Dave Dash Caps
New Water Lines
New Fuel Lines
New Sea Pumps
New 13 Plate Engine Coolers
New 9 Plate Trans Coolers
New Hardin Bellhousings
New Starters
New Fuel Pumps Electrical
New Circuit Breakers
New MSD Distributor Ignitions
New Stereo
New Led Speakers & Subs

Items Already done in 2016
New Steering Cylinder Rebuilds
Extra Mega Blower
New Props
New Anchors & Lines
New 60x24 Garage going up




Happy to hear yours is running great! Im glad you were able to build your engines again and use your boat for a few hours while I did all the above!!

Stop it, you're giving me flashbacks.

This back and forth seems to be out of season. The lake is thawed up here, let's run these things.

Zero Patience 05-21-2016 07:49 PM

Well did any of the props help out?

mmb 05-22-2016 06:41 AM

Going to test them today! Let you know in a little bit!

mmb 05-22-2016 04:46 PM

Much better with the 30 Maximus 5 Blades. Cruise speed came up 5-6mph but I can spin them to 5800 no problem at all. ZP is going order me some 32 Maximus 5 blades! Should be almost perfect then!

Thank you ZP for helping me get the props dialed in!!

mmb 06-05-2016 09:13 AM

Dragging the tabs a little in the pic to get rid of the flat water hop. But it is 60mph at 3500rpm's now with the new props!! The new props threw my carb tune off so now I get to go through that again. Ordering more jets and air bleeds until my 02 sensor is happy.....

Thanks for the help ZP you definitely know how to make these old Cigarettes pick up big time in the cruise department!! That was a 16mph gain at 3500 from the old props!!



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CIG3 06-05-2016 09:32 AM

WOW....Great results

Zero Patience 06-05-2016 08:55 PM

Excellent results

ICDEDPPL 06-06-2016 11:17 PM

I think that big orange hand would have to on the 6 to be 60mph. :p
1.50 gear ratio? That be 21% slip @56mph

The old set up must have been slip thru the roof to gain 16mph , wow.

mmb 06-07-2016 05:47 AM

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit is it lol

Made to much power again and the old props no longer worked....

frickstyle 06-07-2016 07:10 AM

Impressive pickup on cruise.

I would rather have the boat very usable in the range from cruise up to 95mph top end, rather than chasing the 100mph mark that may be done 2 or 3 times all season. I lost cruise going back down to the 30s, but I can get on plane. Cruise with the 32s was right on, but boat wouldn't get out of the water, took about a 1/4 mile. I need to track down someone with 32 5 blades to gauge the difference.

Keep up the good work, I do enjoy seeing your progress, data, explanations, and pictures.

These boats work well in the 65-85mph range. I haven't had it above 4800 rpm yet, and I like the results so far.

mmb 06-07-2016 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4446879)
Impressive pickup on cruise.

I would rather have the boat very usable in the range from cruise up to 95mph top end, rather than chasing the 100mph mark that may be done 2 or 3 times all season. I lost cruise going back down to the 30s, but I can get on plane. Cruise with the 32s was right on, but boat wouldn't get out of the water, took about a 1/4 mile. I need to track down someone with 32 5 blades to gauge the difference.

Keep up the good work, I do enjoy seeing your progress, data, explanations, and pictures.

These boats work well in the 65-85mph range. I haven't had it above 4800 rpm yet, and I like the results so far.

When you find the right diameter prop I bet your cruise speed will be around 65 at 3500 with the power you are making!!

frickstyle 06-07-2016 08:01 AM

It was a little better than that with the 32s, and even better the faster we went. Slip was way down into the 7-8% range so it was the right prop, just couldn't get on plane with the drives/engines mounted so high. Also, all speeds taken with drives trimmed all the way down, and using tab. Once you lifted the tabs, thing took off like a rocket. Will use this year to get all the bugs ironed out, then bump the power a little next year. All in all, pretty happy with the setup.

MILD THUNDER 06-07-2016 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4446899)
It was a little better than that with the 32s, and even better the faster we went. Slip was way down into the 7-8% range so it was the right prop, just couldn't get on plane with the drives/engines mounted so high. Also, all speeds taken with drives trimmed all the way down, and using tab. Once you lifted the tabs, thing took off like a rocket. Will use this year to get all the bugs ironed out, then bump the power a little next year. All in all, pretty happy with the setup.


What ratio are those #5's? 7 percent on a straight bottom old top gun is pretty hard to acheive

mmb 06-07-2016 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4446899)
It was a little better than that with the 32s, and even better the faster we went. Slip was way down into the 7-8% range so it was the right prop, just couldn't get on plane with the drives/engines mounted so high. Also, all speeds taken with drives trimmed all the way down, and using tab. Once you lifted the tabs, thing took off like a rocket. Will use this year to get all the bugs ironed out, then bump the power a little next year. All in all, pretty happy with the setup.

Nice! Im sure mine will be better when I can run real props but its about as good as we can get it with bravo diameter props......

frickstyle 06-07-2016 08:42 AM

OK, call it 8+% then. They are 1.5 ratio, seemed to hook up better with the 32s, or at least more efficient when cruising (no grip at all getting on plane). Showing around 10% slip with the 30s right now.

Also, the 32s were labbed by Merc. I have no evidence to support this, but maybe they were pitched up to 33s?

I've only driven the boat for 2 hours, had it out twice. I will take better notes so that I can compare.

Joe, tried to call last week and left a message, I'll try you again.

MILD THUNDER 06-07-2016 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4446920)
OK, call it 8+% then. They are 1.5 ratio, seemed to hook up better with the 32s, or at least more efficient when cruising (no grip at all getting on plane). Showing around 10% slip with the 30s right now.

Reason i ask, is because ive seen many ssm 4 and 5 drives claiming to be 1.5 ratio, and were not. They offered a ton of ratios for these drives .

frickstyle 06-07-2016 08:54 AM

You may be right, I've never had the drives open to count teeth.

Possible they are 1.55 but not sure that then show worse slippage. They would have to be lower ratio to show faster mph, therefore giving a false reading of a lower slip (if you assumed they were 1.5 and were in fact say 1.35), correct?


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