Konrads on a TopGun
 

Been looking hard at a 96' Top Gun. 525sc with Bravos all original

Would consider doing a Konrad swap instead of upgrading the bravos as I would be putting 750HP motors in it right off the bat.

If I did the Konrads would it be good to mount them right on the transom and move the motors forward or do I need to go with the Ace boxes.

If I use the Ace boxes do I need -2 lowers.

The Snow ball starts rolling from here.

Personally I would move the engines up and forward, instead of the ace box. But why not just go with scx's or bmax drives? If you're willing to go through the whole rerig, have you looked into putting 5's or 6's? Arnesons?i think konrads are a good option for upgrading a trs boat, but I think there may be better options for you.

ill sell you whole chit n cabootles . motors drives , gimles ; if i can part out my stuff and sell hull is my goal .. all stuff is 11 .7 hrs as new condition ... pfaff 750s . konrad prs full converssion 540 s. . all can be seen in the fountain forum under exorcism , top of the line stuff guarrenteed ..

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o58044-en.html
Problem solved

What HE^^^^ said!

We have the Konrad PRS III conversion with no boxes, boat rides and handles great. We are running 900hp through them with no problems so far. I am going to run another season or so with them but eventually switch to number 6's with huge power!!

This is our boat on Konrads website after the conversion.
http://www.konradmarine.com/9405.html

To be honest with 750hp I would swap to big shaft IMCO SCX drives and go boating!!

I've contemplated that boat and love the arneson's but do not want a full cabin boat. I like the covergirl setup. If I would go with 5's I would buy the 90mph staggard boat that has been for sale for some time.I'll have to look into the SCX stuff more as I just glazed over it when I saw some Konrads come up on the cheap.

Just an fyi, im doing a whipple scx upgrade to my tiger, once you sit down and price everything out the scx isnt as expensive as most would think. I'm doing complete new imco transom assemblies, helmet and scx uppers. I've weighed out all the options and this made the most sense for performance and budget wise.

Thanks for the input Offshoredrillin. I will definitely check them out today. Who did you buy your from?

I did mine through Dave at MDG, being as he is doing my engines and had it's going there for the rerig, he and I sat down and put together a plan and a budget. you can reach him at 410-956-5381... For the money and all that I wanted to do horsepower wise, im doing everything included new transom assemblies, gimble rings etc. the money spent for the piece of mind was well worth it.

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I love my SCXs . I was going thru XRs like crazy. I am at 750 HP with Stellings boxes. I also had Brad Smith take out all the guts of the stellings and mill a longer shaft so I could use a drive coupler vs just bolted to flywheel like other set up. New helmet and I already had newer Gimbals so I didn't do those.

2 yrs Trouble Free !!! Thinking about sending them back to Imco just to go thru for piece of mind this winter.
Well except for the hinge pin bolts all backing out. Check them Regularly!!!

Are you guys using the SCX lower as well? Or just a standard Imco

I'm using my XR lowers, after speaking with Craig at Wilsons, they are the most hydrodynamic, I'm sending mine to them to get blueprinted. On a big boat like mine the drives like to be low, so i should be fine. Its worth a try to me anyhow, I've only had one drive failure and it had close to 500 hrs on it.

I have SCX lowers but have been thinking about Wilsons blueprinting also. I did lose a few mph but gained ALOT of confidence.

Mine is a T/S

Was going to put scx dives on my t/s but sold them. Santas bringing me a set of arnesons!

I need to buy that little house next door. Maybe Santa will get into too much egg nog and deliver them to the wrong chimney. :lolhit:

Congrats!!! I was REALLY close to going that route.

Thanks Quinlan, cant wait to run them.

Please update any gains afterwards please, interested in the cost/gains of doing this. I'm sure it varies quite a bit.

I have a pair of Konrads that I am looking to sell. Give me a call (978) 985-0639 and we can talk.

Thanks
Jon

Anyone know a ballpark figure to make the bravo to ASD conversion?

Looks like less than it cost to do the Konrads and you will gain a lot more speed

The conversion is 50K.

$25,000 a side...

Call Rik. When I sold my scx drives and figured out what I needed to hang them. What speeds you gain from drive switch. It made sense to go arneson.

Obviously you don't know how to drive the boat. Guys get XR's to live all the time behind big power in Top Guns. :party-smiley-004:

The SCX is supposed to be pretty darn awesome . Sounds like a great setup you have now. What kind of speeds you get with the 750's and SCX combo?

i got all my parts, complete transom assemblies, helmets, drive resevoirs uppers etc for about 60% of that. And no fiberglass work to do at all. Nothing against them just comparison numbers for those that asked.

Where? That's sounds pretty low. Last time I checked I think it was around $23K a side? If you got them for $30k, that's a steal!!!

I think he means his scx parts were 60% of an arneson conversion

Yes to both, but keep in mind I didn't get new lowers. I like the outlook for the XR lowers so Im giving it a try. Frick, realistically you can by the upper conversion kit from Diamond perf for just over 10K per side, add in the transom assemblies and shipping and viola' its not really as expensive as one would think. I have 2 merc HP transom assemblies in great shape for sale now as well.

Gotcha, that does not sound bad at all.

are all your parts new? sounds cheap for two complete new hp bravo drive assemblies

reading the arneson add they are not 50K either so that makes a difference, how much less they sell for? the arneson also claims not glass work required and of course you gain speed with the arneson over the parts you purchased

yes, everything is new, imco transom assembly back including uppers, helmets, and drive bottles. reusing my xr lowers.

So, being the comparison was made, what would the cost complete have been for everything new? You mentioned glass work but there is not glass work to deal with with the Arneson #7M Kits either and the kits don't even "List" for $50K on the Arneson side.

Rik

That is what I was quoted from that place in New york, he has done several conversions, that price did include labor.

My comparison was my price to his, nothing more nothing less. I dont know what your drives cost as I didn't look at them, for them or price them.

Hello Rik, I have read many threads where you insinuate that you will give better pricing than "list" price. I talked to you at the Miami boat show and your classified adds show 25k a side... What price can one honestly get a set for? Because I have priced out wet 6's and it just seems like a cheaper option for me...

Thanks

I have been reading this post. Even though my 1994 Cigarette Top Gun with Arneson Drives is for sale in the classified, it makes me sick to my stomach to think if I actually sell it. I am thinking of keeping it now. Not sure. This is why. Bad to the bone!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZXOcJqOrY

With LABOR that is probably correct then. Not a bad price to R&R two engines and such.