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BajaDan 03-31-2015 08:12 AM

ZP, MP, great work. I love it when you guys start a project.

Question, and I know you have addressed this but I would still like clarification. Was the extension box necessary just for driveshaft length and angle considerations or were you also trying to alter the propshaft depth?

Is the transom in the water when running or is the notch big enough to keep the transom clear? Your props must be well aft of the of the aft end of the running surface.

I'm collecting this information for the day we buy a Cig, move down to Florida and join your merry band!

Dan

cougarman 03-31-2015 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by BajaDan (Post 4286166)
ZP, MP, great work. I love it when you guys start a project.

Question, and I know you have addressed this but I would still like clarification. Was the extension box necessary just for driveshaft length and angle considerations or were you also trying to alter the propshaft depth?

Is the transom in the water when running or is the notch big enough to keep the transom clear? Your props must be well aft of the of the aft end of the running surface.

I'm collecting this information for the day we buy a Cig, move down to Florida and join your merry band!

Dan

They could have used plug-ins and no boxes easy.

Boxes saved them from moving the engines up
Or down to match drive height. Boxes also saved
Them ton of $$$$ on other parts and mods noted
Earlier. Not mention saved tons of time.

Keeping proper driveshaft angles keeps your
U-joints alive and healthy. Hence the extra home
Work with current engine height vs desired drive
Heights.

So yes they needed boxes to keep healthy drive
Shaft angles too.

In regards to boxes there are different theory's
And benefits.. Some depend on the boat.

Mostly is allowing you to raise the drive and have
Cleaner water at the prop. Water comes off the bottom
Of the hull and then starts to rise back up to normal
Level vs the hole your plowing. And your props are at that raised level with clean water allowing better speed
Typically too.

Hope that helps from my perspective.

Jon

BajaDan 03-31-2015 09:28 AM

Thanks Jon. I understand that they did not want to change the engine location. I don't blame them! I was curious as to whether the boxes were required because (for whatever reason) there was not enough space between the new drive and the tranmission for a shaft or if the input shaft on the #6 drive is in a different location than the #5 resulting in extreme U-Joint angles or if they were shooting for a new prop shaft height etc.

Like your Shelby quote by the way. Gurney test drove the original Cobra, came back in the pits and said to Shelby (and I paraphrase) this car understeers like a pig and the brakes are horrible. Shelby replied, "Don't worry, we'll give you another 100 hp".

Dan

cougarman 03-31-2015 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by BajaDan (Post 4286203)
Thanks Jon. I understand that they did not want to change the engine location. I don't blame them! I was curious as to whether the boxes were required because (for whatever reason) there was not enough space between the new drive and the tranmission for a shaft or if the input shaft on the #6 drive is in a different location than the #5 resulting in extreme U-Joint angles or if they were shooting for a new prop shaft height etc.

Like your Shelby quote by the way. Gurney test drove the original Cobra, came back in the pits and said to Shelby (and I paraphrase) this car understeers like a pig and the brakes are horrible. Shelby replied, "Don't worry, we'll give you another 100 hp".

Dan

I would presume absence of room, next option would be to move engines forward if trying to avoid boxes or plug-in trannys.
Most engines bays do not have additional FWD Room not to mention really changing CG's moving that much weight forward.

Jon

Zero Patience 03-31-2015 02:46 PM

Thanks for the help Jon, you are correct on all items. Is the 46 a twin or triple?

mrpickett357 03-31-2015 04:03 PM

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Yeah, what he said!

We spent LOTS of hours planning how to do this conversion without moving the engines, modifying the hatch and buying new tail pipes.
The single most challenging aspect of the project was getting everything "lined up" to attain the desired (1" above the bottom) drive height while not exceeding the magic seven degree driveshaft angle. Thankfully ZP is as skilled with his CAD program as he is with power tools. Yes, he drew it all up ahead of time, then we just followed his "blueprint".

As you saw in the previous posts, the only real engine room modification was to the driveshaft covers. That was only required because the inner transom brackets for the SSM VI drives are much thicker than those on the 5's.

302Sport 03-31-2015 09:07 PM

Looking good boys!!!!!! I'm glad the stuff went to a good home.

cougarman 04-01-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4285945)
Yes, went with 1.61 gears, so the prop turns
Slower, so more pitch is needed to get back where it was. The main thing needed is diameter. Everyone says mount the drives 3 or 4 inches up, a old cig is not an airboat. The prop needs to touch the water, this one is 1" above the bottom, and needs diameter to get a bite. The staggered setup limits diameter to 17.5 " , we tried sliding on my 17.75" but they were to close to run. (In my opinion, there my new props) Merc Racing is building a new set as of today. Did not choose 1.61s that is what came in the drives, it was decided to spend money on props early on, instead of gears.

Thanks for asking. Good question.

There's a set of year old Hering 17x 32 x 18r 5 blades for sale at a great price.

Post a pic of the Cougar.

MP will love the Mid range acceleration with that gear also
90% of your boating is spent in Mid/cruise range anyways.

What is your hopefull Final Dia. & Pitch?

Here is a pic of my Trailer Queen ya asked for, bought it as just a Hull
and It's about 90% complete

Jon

kreed 04-01-2015 09:01 AM

Awesome Cougar! I always wondered about your avatar pic!

mmb 04-01-2015 12:26 PM

Looks Amazing Guys!! Can't wait to get mine going and go boating with everyone again! Who knows maybe we will do some Wet 6's on mine down the road.

Zero Patience 04-01-2015 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 4286624)
MP will love the Mid range acceleration with that gear also
90% of your boating is spent in Mid/cruise range anyways.

What is your hopefull Final Dia. & Pitch?

Here is a pic of my Trailer Queen ya asked for, bought it as just a Hull
and It's about 90% complete

Jon

I thought it would be a triple. A 46 used to show up in Key West during the worlds about 8 years ago. Distant Thunder, out of Marco island, that has to be fun in the Rough. Cool Boat.

TURBO JET 04-01-2015 05:20 PM

Real cool Cougar sweet ride!

cougarman 04-01-2015 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4286789)
I thought it would be a triple. A 46 used to show up in Key West during the worlds about 8 years ago. Distant Thunder, out of Marco island, that has to be fun in the Rough. Cool Boat.

Can't say I Have ever seen Distant Thunder, and I know most of them.

Jon

Flightplan 04-01-2015 06:36 PM

Great Read boys. Congrats on the conversion. I sure wish Zero was closer to Tejas...:D

Zero Patience 04-01-2015 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Flightplan (Post 4286837)
Great Read boys. Congrats on the conversion. I sure wish Zero was closer to Tejas...:D

Ship it, then play in fla when it's complete.

mrpickett357 04-01-2015 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by cougarman (Post 4286624)
MP will love the Mid range acceleration with that gear also
90% of your boating is spent in Mid/cruise range anyways.
What is your hopefull Final Dia. & Pitch?

We ordered 17.5 x 34 x 15 rake. Thought about 17.75 for about a minute until ZP let me put his set on my shafts and I only saw a sliver of light between the tips!
Given ZP's results with his 17.75 x 32 x 15, these should give the desired bite accounting for the gear ratio difference.

cougarman 04-01-2015 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by mrpickett357 (Post 4286888)
We ordered 17.5 x 34 x 15 rake. Thought about 17.75 for about a minute until ZP let me put his set on my shafts and I only saw a sliver of light between the tips!
Given ZP's results with his 17.75 x 32 x 15, these should give the desired bite accounting for the gear ratio difference.

What is Mercurys typically eta on a new order?

Jon

Zero Patience 04-02-2015 05:10 AM

Two weeks, plus shipping to dealer, then shipping to customer.

oceanperf 04-08-2015 09:57 AM

I was going thru some old pictures and found your boat when it was at the boat show. ZP can text you thm if you want to pm your phone number. you can decide if you want to post them. Chris

oceanperf 04-08-2015 09:59 AM

I also have mmb's boat when it was a platinum edition tic tac boat.

mmb 04-08-2015 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by oceanperf (Post 4289327)
I also have mmb's boat when it was a platinum edition tic tac boat.

Tried to PM you said it was full.

oceanperf 04-08-2015 11:40 AM

[email protected]

cigarette38topgun 04-09-2015 12:37 PM

Awesome project and thanks for sharing it here for your fellow Cig fans. Looking forward to seeing what she will do with the new wheels.

Zero Patience 04-13-2015 09:32 AM

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Props should arrive this week. I hope that does it with out resorting to Spacers. We got 1 new prop last week, a Big Ass Fan, this thing really makes a breeze.

F-2 Speedy 04-13-2015 09:40 AM

Aircraft wing design, imagine that.

omerta one 04-13-2015 06:52 PM

Put (2) 16 foot diameter BA fans in the new Perfomance Boat Center showroom - they really move some air !!!

thedonz 04-20-2015 10:31 AM

Awesome thread Jimmy and Mark! Thank you guys for letting us follow your conversion. As you know, I have one of the five as well. I am actually in the process of re-mounting the transom assemblies and drives and putting in the new interior. I will start a thread of the project soon. I will be selling her without engines but with a heavy heart.

I tried to purchase Mark's boat before I bought mine. It was a Bahamian fellow who kept raising the price after agreement using his wife as an excuse. I finally told him that it was obvious he didn't want to sell and I didn't want to waste any more time. The next day, my boat came out in Powerboat magazine and it was purchased with only one conversation between the seller and me. Next I heard, Carl had purchased Lock & Load. Mark, you've done a fabulous job with her. Enjoy!

Frank

Biggus 04-20-2015 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by thedonz (Post 4294332)
Awesome thread Jimmy and Mark! Thank you guys for letting us follow your conversion. As you know, I have one of the five as well. I am actually in the process of re-mounting the transom assemblies and drives and putting in the new interior. I will start a thread of the project soon. I will be selling her without engines but with a heavy heart.

I tried to purchase Mark's boat before I bought mine. It was a Bahamian fellow who kept raising the price after agreement using his wife as an excuse. I finally told him that it was obvious he didn't want to sell and I didn't want to waste any more time. The next day, my boat came out in Powerboat magazine and it was purchased with only one conversation between the seller and me. Next I heard, Carl had purchased Lock & Load. Mark, you've done a fabulous job with her. Enjoy!

Frank

I've got pics of it when it was sitting at Lip Ship for sale back in .05. It was then named Pier Pressure. Had a rough life but looks like it could not have found a better home.

88bullet 04-20-2015 12:06 PM

so who is the next to convert to 6's in your club down there? first gun gonna be the next to step to the plate? got some for sale if interested

areyouliving 04-20-2015 05:08 PM

Such a cool write up and build. Just like everyone, I'm looking forward to seeing those new props on and some numbers after.

mrpickett357 04-24-2015 09:01 PM

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The box arrived!
New wheels!

mrpickett357 04-24-2015 09:08 PM

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New props arrived today!
Thanks Offshore Performance.
We'll post results soon!

Zero Patience 04-25-2015 07:53 PM

So, how did it run today? Saturday......

MrCIG 04-27-2015 08:10 PM

Any update on the prop testing?

Mark

Zero Patience 04-27-2015 08:26 PM

It rained in south ga, and the wind in Florida was up to at least 15 mph, and the truck was at a horse show, and there was pollen on the cover, and the winter air was still in the trailer tires, and the drain plugs were loose and the oil needed changing, and the mufflers needed removing, and, and, and.

First Gun 04-28-2015 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4297591)
It rained in south ga, and the wind in Florida was up to at least 15 mph, and the truck was at a horse show, and there was pollen on the cover, and the winter air was still in the trailer tires, and the drain plugs were loose and the oil needed changing, and the mufflers needed removing, and, and, and.

:popcorn:

Zero Patience 05-01-2015 03:16 PM

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1" clearance, trim incorrectly here and ugh ooo,

Zero Patience 05-01-2015 05:47 PM

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Picked up 5 mph at 3500 to 56, now change rotation, pulls hard. Looking for 4 mph more at 3500 and still turn 5400

cougarman 05-13-2015 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4299266)
Picked up 5 mph at 3500 to 56, now change rotation, pulls hard. Looking for 4 mph more at 3500 and still turn 5400


Having props adjusted for the last 4 mph?

Looks Great!


Jon

cougarman 06-23-2015 05:56 PM

How's the project, any more news Dialing her in?


Jon


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