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cougarman 08-05-2015 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4338644)
Very nice, great craftsmanship.


Thanks, lots of work working with Stainless.
Tons of coolant machining because it likes to move/warp all over with heat and stress.
Same with welding, patients is the game with this crap.

Original owner had dual water pick-ups for each engine.
One Clam Shell and one transom pick-up per engine.

Jon

frickstyle 08-05-2015 10:27 AM

Cougar, very nice, bravo.

Zero Patience 08-12-2015 11:11 AM

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Back in, and connect it up.

hogie roll 08-26-2015 12:15 PM

How's it going?

First Gun 08-26-2015 08:09 PM

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Some spy photos from last weekends testing.....man I miss Lake X:boat:

kreed 09-09-2015 07:21 AM

Any updates on top speed of this boat?

Zero Patience 09-12-2015 10:50 AM

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5 blade 34s to big, it ran 270 miles last weekend running 4 blade, 34s. Tops out at 95, still looking for the right props. The 4 blades are fast but suck at cruise (3500). We don't run fast WFO, but cruise at 3500. Going back to turning in now. Looking for 5 blade 17.5 x 31 15 rake.100 miles back in the rain, 3-5 foot seas, dodging thunder storms. What a .Blast

Zero Patience 09-12-2015 10:53 AM

The spacers were a waste of time, slowed down 5 with them.

hogie roll 09-12-2015 03:19 PM

Pulley change might be easier :D

Strip Poker 388 09-12-2015 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4283512)
MRP can reply, but when he got it, the Fives had 4 blade, 32 x 17 dia. They slipped a lot, 5600 and 5100 @86 mph.
Then we removed a T-shirt from between the carb adapter and blower! It picked up then then to 91. Added 5 blade herings and slip went down, added intercoolers and boost. Speed was then in low to mid 90s. But the cruise 3500 came up about 5 mph. Much more useful. We set our boats up for the best cruise, over top speed. We run long distances at 3500, and get better mileage than CCs, and we are running twice the speed.
The Chiefs make 1000 each, on Tommys Dyno.


Did the 5 blades change the vac/boost (motor load)at the 3500 compared to the 4 blades?

say if you were running 10inchs of vac before at 3500 4 blades and with the 5 blades at 3500 had more load causing the vac decreased?

Rob

Zero Patience 09-13-2015 06:50 AM

3500 is 3 lbs of boost, with the 4 blades.7 lbs at full throttle. The 34 5 blades are 5 lbs at 3500, and 6 at the stops.they are 2 inches higher and don't run much different.

Strip Poker 388 09-13-2015 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4354070)
3500 is 3 lbs of boost, with the 4 blades.7 lbs at full throttle. The 34 5 blades are 5 lbs at 3500, and 6 at the stops.they are 2 inches higher and don't run much different.


if running more boost at the same rpm you would think it would burn more gas, but its covering more ground too....I guess the deference is in hulls,on my 30pt 4 blades i could ease up 4000 at 70mph and 0 on boost/vac gauge and 8.2psi max
.
maybe comparing bravos against #6 props would be diff?

Ive got a buddy w/42 cig w/575 its running around 3psi around 3800-4000.thats were they run it all the time,rideing with him just seems to me thats straining the motors running it hard like that, but a 42 is a heavy boat


sorry for ot
Rob

Nauti Kitty 09-22-2015 07:07 AM

Great project. Well done
Dialing it in is the funnest part even with the frustrations
Good luck
Hope to see it in Key West
NK

Biggus 09-22-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388 (Post 4354120)
if running more boost at the same rpm you would think it would burn more gas, but its covering more ground too....I guess the deference is in hulls,on my 30pt 4 blades i could ease up 4000 at 70mph and 0 on boost/vac gauge and 8.2psi max
.
maybe comparing bravos against #6 props would be diff?

Ive got a buddy w/42 cig w/575 its running around 3psi around 3800-4000.thats were they run it all the time,rideing with him just seems to me thats straining the motors running it hard like that, but a 42 is a heavy boat


sorry for ot
Rob

Interesting. On my light 30 Cigarette Mystique, 4800 is 0 boost, climbs to 7 lbs @ 5650. 4800 is 80 mph with labbed (Merc Racing) 37 4 blades. Hering 5 blades is almost 90 at 4800, zero boost. The 5 blades are much more efficient at cruise but have proven to be brutal on drive life.. Oh well, XR issues.. -Great thread btw

ICDEDPPL 09-22-2015 04:43 PM

90mph at 0 boost and 4800rpm? Damn..How light is a mystique!?.. my boost starts to build at 3700 .. @ 4800 I`m at 5psi.

F-2 Speedy 09-22-2015 05:01 PM

I just saw a pig fly by.....................evidently 2500 lbs

frickstyle 09-23-2015 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4357699)
90mph at 0 boost and 4800rpm? Damn..How light is a mystique!?.. my boost starts to build at 3700 .. @ 4800 I`m at 5psi.

I was gonna say, that is flying for a Cigarette.

SkaterMike82 09-24-2015 02:17 PM

What a shame and waste of a BADASS boat. With so MANY side by side to choose from they pick this to convert.:blaster::blaster: Now there is only 4 left. So long FatBoy:(

https://www.facebook.com/Supreme-Mar...8408/timeline/

Stuckonstupid 09-24-2015 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by SkaterMike82 (Post 4358388)
What a shame and waste of a BADASS boat. With so MANY side by side to choose from they pick this to convert.:blaster::blaster: Now there is only 4 left. So long FatBoy:(

https://www.facebook.com/Supreme-Mar...8408/timeline/

Is this place the equilivant of west coast customs or Orange County choppers? Wonder what kind of other gay sh!t they do to boats?

ICDEDPPL 09-24-2015 11:37 PM

Yeah! I can`t believe they`re going to take that pile of ugly junk and redo it all to new, what a bunch of jerks! Making a boat usable and saleable.....the nerve of some people.:rolleyes:

Zero Patience 09-25-2015 06:07 AM

Testing again Sunday, had a little setback. Lost a skeg, a big piece of skeg! Just got the drive back from Colabellas. It has a new out of the box lower. Now we have 4 sets of 5 blades sitting here waiting. I think we will get it this time.

On the boost? My cig is 2 lbs at 2800, 52 mph, 3 lbs at 3500, 62 mph. It's the large diameter props. I run 17.75 x32, 15 rake Mercury 1200s. Have no use for Herings, just a bad taste in my mouth.

Zero Patience 09-25-2015 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 4357469)
Great project. Well done
Dialing it in is the funnest part even with the frustrations
Good luck
Hope to see it in Key West
NK

It will be in KW, we have 7 cigs running on Tuesday from the upper Keys to Key West, if anyone wants to join in, bring your Cig and come on. While in KW please come by the Galleon, we are there most afternoons.

Zero Patience 09-25-2015 07:02 AM

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Here is the lower, and all the test props, big thanks to all that let us borrow.

Zero Patience 09-25-2015 07:12 AM

We now have: 5 blades
17.5 X 29
18 x 30
17x 31
17.75x 32
17.5 x34

4 blade: 17.5 X 33

One of these should be close. We went back to inward rotation.

frickstyle 09-25-2015 09:01 AM

Do you own all those props? I may be interested in a set in the near future...

Zero Patience 09-25-2015 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4358637)
Do you own all those props? I may be interested in a set in the near future...

We own 17.75 X 32, 17.5 x34, the rest are borrowed. At 10500 per set new it sure is nice to borrow until the right ones are chosen.

Knot 4 Me 09-25-2015 10:45 AM

At $10.5K a set you triple check the prop nut torque! :ernaehrung004: Keep the updates coming. Love this project!

Zero Patience 09-25-2015 10:47 AM

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That's enough room, isn't it?

Biff 09-25-2015 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4358600)
Here is the lower, and all the test props, big thanks to all that let us borrow.

How did you taco that skeg!?!

Biggus 09-25-2015 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4357858)
I was gonna say, that is flying for a Cigarette.

It's a Twin Step, very slippery, 30 feet, 7500 lbs. 37 pitch 4 blades, Boost/Vac is ZERO @ 80 mph. Will build 7 lbs @ 5650 . It's incredibly efficient. FWIW, I have zero use for bogus data, just sharing real world experience here.

-Sorry for the Hi Jack on tis Six thread Jim!

Really enjoy threads of this nature.

frickstyle 09-25-2015 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Biggus (Post 4358679)
It's a Twin Step, very slippery, 30 feet, 7500 lbs. 37 pitch 4 blades, Boost/Vac is ZERO @ 80 mph. Will build 7 lbs @ 5650 . It's incredibly efficient. FWIW, I have zero use for bogus data, just sharing real world experience here.

-Sorry for the Hi Jack on tis Six thread Jim!

Really enjoy threads of this nature.

I'm spending money on the wrong boat!!

Zero, would love to hear more on the results, good luck this weekend.

First Gun 09-25-2015 01:43 PM

:food-smiley-007:

Originally Posted by Biff (Post 4358676)
How did you taco that skeg!?!


Nykamp 09-25-2015 05:13 PM

Dam shame , how fat boy looks, it was super clean before leaving the country. That's 3 really nice boats that I believe the same guy has trashed.

frickstyle 09-26-2015 08:33 AM

Maybe that's his "thing"? Oh well, to each their own, at least he's enjoying the boat.

Zero Patience 09-26-2015 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Biff (Post 4358676)
How did you taco that skeg!?!

MPR purchased the drives from an OSO member. The drives were black paint from top to bottom. When we stripped the paint off the lowers we found the repair. The seller did not mention that during the purchase. The piece broke out in the rough water run from Sanabel to Tampa. MRP did not want to repair it so I located a new one at a fair price. I know who we would never buy from again on OSO.

Zero Patience 09-26-2015 02:50 PM

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I'm playing the Skater today, test props tomorrow

Biff 09-26-2015 03:36 PM

[QUOTE=Zero Patience;4359049]MPR purchased the drives from an OSO member. The drives were black paint from top to bottom. When we stripped the paint off the lowers we found the repair. The seller did not mention that during the purchase. The piece broke out in the rough water run from Sanabel to Tampa. MRP did not want to repair it so I located a new one at a fair price. I know who we would never buy from again on OSO.[/QUOTE

That stinks...

302Sport 09-27-2015 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Zero Patience (Post 4359049)
MPR purchased the drives from an OSO member. The drives were black paint from top to bottom. When we stripped the paint off the lowers we found the repair. The seller did not mention that during the purchase. The piece broke out in the rough water run from Sanabel to Tampa. MRP did not want to repair it so I located a new one at a fair price. I know who we would never buy from again on OSO.

I'm the one who the drives were bought from and I did not hide anything. I did not know that they had been repaired either. Notice where you wrote, "when we stripped the paint off the lowers." Well I never stripped the paint off the lowers, so how was I supposed to know they had been repaired??

CIG3 09-28-2015 08:20 AM

:popcorn::party-smiley-004:

kreed 09-28-2015 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 4359243)
I'm the one who the drives were bought from and I did not hide anything. I did not know that they had been repaired either. Notice where you wrote, "when we stripped the paint off the lowers." Well I never stripped the paint off the lowers, so how was I supposed to know they had been repaired??

Adam, post some pics of your new drives, hard to see them in your avatar....


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