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Old 05-26-2016, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Unlimited jd
87 was the only year without a notched transom
To think we were going to do this Jamie! Haha
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:30 PM
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The saddle tanks create a very tight space to work in. Lots of creative climbing down there required to keep it clean.
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Originally Posted by Zero Patience
I am not convinced, that staggered, is faster, or better
Yours and MrPickett's staggered gun is a great comparison since both have big power and #6's. Do both handle and fly essentially the same?
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Old 05-27-2016, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bookshelf
Yours and MrPickett's staggered gun is a great comparison since both have big power and #6's. Do both handle and fly essentially the same?
They both sit about the same in the water, mine docks easier, I am more comfortable in mine because the bolsters are 5" farther back, which allows me to be lower in the boat. The short cockpit in Lock and Load dictate where the bolsters mount. They fly about the same as far as I can tell, and the handling is not noticeable to me. We have kinda tested that on the yearly around Key West run we do in the afternoons during race week. (A complete 360 circle around Key West, with some 2-3 g turns). The staggered drives are high, but still lower on the hull, so it has more grounding issues, he used to run aground a lot, even when following me. He does not run aground any more. my slip is 5-6 % less, than the stagger, so I cruise 62 -3500, at about 300 rpm less than the stagger. We have tested all props, 4,5, and 6 blades, diameters, rakes, etc. L&L is faster at top end now, twin 875s vs twin 1150s. L&Ls slip comes down as the speed increases. L&L would be faster, if his wife was not on board.

It is very cool to be able to run both types of setups all over like we do.
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Old 05-27-2016, 06:57 AM
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The saddle tanks create a very tight space to work in. Lots of creative climbing down there required to keep it clean.
Worked on a friends boat with staggered and was mother*ucking the pipes from the port motor while changing plugs and wires on the starboard motor. It also doesn't help being 6'3" tall lol

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Old 05-27-2016, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by shepnic74
Worked on a friends boat with staggered and was mother*ucking the pipes from the port motor while changing plugs and wires on the starboard motor. It also doesn't help being 6'3" tall lol
It takes more patience working on the stagger, I have Zero
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Old 05-27-2016, 08:17 AM
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Ya being a bigger guy I always feel like I'm gonna lean against something the wrong way and break it. I like being able to sit in front of both motors and just give them the reach around lol
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Originally Posted by Zero Patience
The staggered tailpipes alone are 10k, now add the driveshaft weight, with guard, (it's not light) , plus flanged transmission needed, then you better be putting dry sump 6a on or it's a waste of time. Fill the transom to no holes. Now 5 k for rear standup bolsters, then they don't match the front soooo.. 7 k. Then two custom saddle tanks because the floor tanks were removed. Plus a new longer hatch. Plus, plus plus.

Put big power in what you have and rock on.
Wonder if you could still keep smaller floor tanks as well to help distribute the weight? some apache 41's had both, im sure it would work in a TG
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:25 PM
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Lock & Load has belly tanks also, total fuel load is 300 gallons, 2-100 saddle tanks, 2 50 gallon belly(floor) tanks. I bet it would really go if it did not have those giant, barn door, twin ram, heavy, antique, rectangular, 2" thick, old school, black, drag inducing, boat slowing, last century, k planes that went out of style with the home telephone.

I really don't like those k planes.

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