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Full Force 05-02-2019 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by jbraun2828 (Post 4684908)


i think you take Internet forums a little to serious. Your chip on your shoulder attitude is why people give you chit all the time. Dan doesn’t go around saying his boat is the best because it’s his. We all love our boats as we should, they’re all cigarettes. I disagree with you when you say a straight bottom rides better than a t/s. I’ve had both and I prefer a stepped boat. Have you ever ridden in a 39? If so, I’d like to hear your thoughts on that hull. I’m not ever going to bash someone’s boat or tell them mine is better than theirs. If we were at the dock together I’d give you a beer and talk cigarettes all day.

that is it, I never ever once said mine was best... mistress or my gun... ever... show me that please, if you can’t let it go, my chip comes from people posting that I said stiff I did not, I have not been in a 39, but have been in 38’ T/S and also 46 so I’m not stupid. If I met you yes you would see I’m not actually a jerk and we can drink beer and talk boats all day with zero issues.

Drock78 05-02-2019 10:16 AM

He was one of the first members and almost was suckered into being on the board when it all began.

BBYSTWY 05-02-2019 10:27 AM

Right on...maybe I'll meet up with him at an event...how about you drock?

Sorry this thread is going off the rails FF...never intended for all this to come up :duel:

Full Force 05-02-2019 02:33 PM

I’m used to it, no big deal.

ICDEDPPL 05-02-2019 08:44 PM

If I lived up your way Dickstyle and Brownstain6969 I`d be visiting Lake St. Clair.
Water always warm, storms seems to break up before they hit the lake, Tons of places to go and see, always a perfect chop, super clean water and tons of beaches.... never any crazy waves that prevent you from going out..etc etc I kept coming back there last year. love it.

Too bad it`s too far for tim (like an hour?) lol It`s 5hrs for me but so worth the drive.

OH and NO SNAKES!! (like Erie)



https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...732a5a6088.jpg

Full Force 05-02-2019 10:54 PM

I do want to make a trip or two, but something always keeps me local, it’s a lot of work to pack it all up and go when I got tons to do here... I thought about trying to make the old school reunion this year we will see, I do 2 vacations a year with wife and certain other days through year so time off isn’t always doable for trips with boat, I need to be my own boss lol

twinscrews 05-03-2019 06:32 AM

I have a 2004, 525's, total rebuilds with new cmi's. Drives gone through, new cockpit interior, Powder coated the swim platform, basically went through the entire boat. The last thing to do is run it down Lipship to redo the cabin, someone mention the head liner falling, who ever said that is right, lol. What I'm getting at is I have close to $200, 00 in the boat. However I was at Lipship at the end of last year when he was delivering a new TG with 565's. The boat sold for better than $500,00 (by the way it was a master piece, beautiful boat) Phil is the Man! I feel I have a pretty good value in my boat and I don't think you can make the case to make me feel differently.

kvogt 05-03-2019 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4684611)
Weight to power ratio plays a huge factor and my boat is 16,000lbs on trailer .Boat building methods were old school, none of the newer methods were available . So my boat will always be slower then a newer construction boat . Flat decks are tanks.

That is stupid heavy, Bob's 41 Apache pleasure version with blower motors and 3As weighed under 14000 with the trailer.

frickstyle 05-03-2019 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4685018)
If I lived up your way Dickstyle and Brownstain6969 I`d be visiting Lake St. Clair.
Water always warm, storms seems to break up before they hit the lake, Tons of places to go and see, always a perfect chop, super clean water and tons of beaches.... never any crazy waves that prevent you from going out..etc etc I kept coming back there last year. love it.

Too bad it`s too far for tim (like an hour?) lol It`s 5hrs for me but so worth the drive.

OH and NO SNAKES!! (like Erie)

Dan, I'm in for a boat trip. None of the people around me want to go anywhere, POker Runs, trips, etc (take their boat). I'd be in for a trip and just may make that happen. It's always nice to have a second boat along for the trip in case of breakdown. Let's plan something if you are going this Summer.

Also - we need to do our photoshoot!

four four ohh - 554- nine nine 24
-Justin

frickstyle 05-03-2019 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4685035)
I need to be my own boss lol

Careful what you wish for, that can consume more of your time than your job and side stuff is right now. You will always have a boss, when you're an owner, it's the Customer. (Grass is always greener).

Full Force 05-03-2019 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4685060)
That is stupid heavy, Bob's 41 Apache pleasure version with blower motors and 3As weighed under 14000 with the trailer.

that’s it?? The Chief was 13,000 no trailer

Full Force 05-03-2019 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4685084)
Dan, I'm in for a boat trip. None of the people around me want to go anywhere, POker Runs, trips, etc (take their boat). I'd be in for a trip and just may make that happen. It's always nice to have a second boat along for the trip in case of breakdown. Let's plan something if you are going this Summer.

Also - we need to do our photoshoot!

four four ohh - 554- nine nine 24
-Justin

I would entertain a Michigan city/Chicago trio Justin... we can maybe make a plan...

Full Force 05-03-2019 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by frickstyle (Post 4685088)
Careful what you wish for, that can consume more of your time than your job and side stuff is right now. You will always have a boss, when you're an owner, it's the Customer. (Grass is always greener).

oh I know lol that’s why I work for someone no stress at all... I like it that way .

ICDEDPPL 05-03-2019 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4685060)
That is stupid heavy, Bob's 41 Apache pleasure version with blower motors and 3As weighed under 14000 with the trailer.

Yu got the same boat ever drive it across a scale? Be interesting to know what your weights.




https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...95261abb6a.jpg

kvogt 05-03-2019 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4685098)
Yu got the same boat ever drive it across a scale? Be interesting to know what your weights.




https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...95261abb6a.jpg

My boat was 12600 lbs. with 200 gallons of fuel and fully loaded to go boating on the trailer. I figure I took about a thousand pounds out of it when I re-did it. But my drive train is very heavy around 300 to 400 lbs heavier than yours.
I do have a light layup or Kevlar boat and yours is a standard layup.

Full Force 05-03-2019 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4685101)
My boat was 12600 lbs. with 200 gallons of fuel and fully loaded to go boating on the trailer. I figure I took about a thousand pounds out of it when I re-did it. But my drive train is very heavy around 300 to 400 lbs heavier than yours.
I do have a light layup or Kevlar boat and yours is a standard layup.

what’s your power? Dans is about as heavy as it gets with blowers, iron heads, boxes and 5’s

Full Force 05-03-2019 10:00 AM

My top gun was 13,300 on trailer with about 70 gallons of fuel total Kevlar boat, SSMIII. Tall deck irons NA

kvogt 05-03-2019 10:03 AM

Tall deck Dart blocks, aluminum heads, blowers, boxes and old Arneson drives with 16 inch drop boxes. We put the stuff on with a fork lift.

kvogt 05-03-2019 10:07 AM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e345bc7641.jpg

ICDEDPPL 05-03-2019 10:12 AM

So 10,500lbs without fuel Kris?
That's super light.
My 33 Baja was 12k on the trailer.
I don`t know what you took out but it was a lot! lol
My tanks were about 1/4 full at that weigh in.

offshoredrillin 05-03-2019 10:17 AM

my tiger with 1/4 tanks, on the myco with my dually and myself a friend and our gear for jammin on the james run was just over 21k,,, before blowers and imco scx's

ICDEDPPL 05-03-2019 10:17 AM

Looks like your stern is pretty low in the water, maybe even heavier than mine.. so it`s not a lighter drivetrain. Gotta be the Kevlar..and no cabin


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b5b694eb7c.jpg

kvogt 05-03-2019 10:21 AM

gas weighs around 6.1 lbs/gal so 200 gallons weighs 1220 lbs.

That's what it weighed. It was on a commercial certified scale at a recycling yard. I disconnected the truck and pulled it off the scale so only the boat and trailer were on the scale.

kvogt 05-03-2019 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4685115)
Looks like your stern is pretty low in the water, maybe even heavier than mine.. so it`s not a lighter drivetrain. Gotta be the Kevlar..and no cabin


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b5b694eb7c.jpg


The only time I ran it with nothing in the cabin was the first weekend back in the water in 2011. I had to put 400 - 500 lbs of sand in the front to keep the nose down. Now days the sand is gone and custom cabin is in. My cabin is significantly lighter than the fiberglass liner cabin with covered plywood ceiling.

ICDEDPPL 05-03-2019 11:22 AM

That's right water is 8.4# but gas is 6#.
I should disconnect the trailer next time from the truck see where it`s at .

Full Force 05-03-2019 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4685111)

That's yours?? I LOVE that boat....

Full Force 05-03-2019 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4685114)
my tiger with 1/4 tanks, on the myco with my dually and myself a friend and our gear for jammin on the james run was just over 21k,,, before blowers and imco scx's

I did truck (F250 diesel CC 4X4) on myco was 21,920 lbs... I would thought tiger was heavier..

tdellaringa 05-03-2019 01:46 PM

Interesting conversation here.

TURBOED 05-03-2019 02:58 PM

i would get the white 41 apache that just went up for sale and have money left

offshoredrillin 05-03-2019 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4685164)
I did truck (F250 diesel CC 4X4) on myco was 21,920 lbs... I would thought tiger was heavier..

as i had said a few posts back, mine was the very first one vacuum bagged at the factory, so the weight reduction was worth it. on my survey it says dry weight is 9800

seafordguy 05-03-2019 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4685114)
my tiger with 1/4 tanks, on the myco with my dually and myself a friend and our gear for jammin on the james run was just over 21k,,, before blowers and imco scx's


That seems light. My 2009 dually weighed 8900 empty if I remember correctly. Aluminum trailer? Sounds like you didn't have enough beer and 80-proof on board. Yours is post-vacuum bagging or ppre? I can't remember what year yours was....

seafordguy 05-03-2019 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4685190)
as i had said a few posts back, mine was the very first one vacuum bagged at the factory, so the weight reduction was worth it. on my survey it says dry weight is 9800


Nevermind. Ignore my previous post..... Is yours a 2000?

offshoredrillin 05-04-2019 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by seafordguy (Post 4685257)



Nevermind. Ignore my previous post..... Is yours a 2000?

yup, 2000 and aluminum myco. it is bagged, that weight also was pre blowers and scx's.

seafordguy 05-04-2019 07:02 AM

Nice to know that a 2000+ tiger doesn't weigh that much more than my Cafe..... (If any)

Got Cigs 05-04-2019 02:25 PM

Stupid question- Whats the difference in the "Vacuum Bagging" process vs the old way?

Got Cigs 05-04-2019 02:33 PM

https://www.offshoreonly.com/classif...un-o74393.html

To the OP, idk if you saw this listing, but seems like a good bang for the buck. I don't know the boat.

I was looking for a 35 T/S for a while, and ended up with a 35 straight hull. I don't regret it one bit, saved me a bunch of money. I just wanted a clean boat that wasn't going to be a project. Just wanted to clean it and turn the key. Anyway, hope you find the right boat for you. Good luck with your search!

BBYSTWY 05-04-2019 02:41 PM

Yea I've been looking at that one off and on for awhile...which makes me wonder why it's still for sale since that does seem like a pretty good deal....Don't want to drop the "A-word" in here but the 41 that just came up for sale would be mine if I could swing it right this second...who knows..maybe it'll still be available when I'm ready....was also looking at that yellow one with 6's that was just listed but I think it's a little north of my price range and could probably find a T/S for not much more really....decisions decisions....at the end of the day I'm probably gonna end up with a straight bottom...hopefully I can find the right one!! There's plenty out there and cosmetics aren't as much of a concern to me as mechanical...I can change the cosmetics over time but if you have a weak or tired power train you're screwed and you better bring out your wallet lol...even with me doing a lot of the work myself I'm still probably 10-12k plus into my ONE motor in my Nordic...solid motors and preferably not bravos or it has SCX's on it already as that's another huge expense that I don't mind paying a little more for upfront just for the peace of mind.

Interceptor 05-07-2019 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4685018)
If I lived up your way Dickstyle and Brownstain6969 I`d be visiting Lake St. Clair.
Water always warm, storms seems to break up before they hit the lake, Tons of places to go and see, always a perfect chop, super clean water and tons of beaches.... never any crazy waves that prevent you from going out..etc etc I kept coming back there last year. love it.

Too bad it`s too far for tim (like an hour?) lol It`s 5hrs for me but so worth the drive.

OH and NO SNAKES!! (like Erie)



There are snakes in Lake St. Clair. One swan up to my wife while she was relaxing on a float,it crossed over her shoulder and she freaked, screamed and rolled off the float. The snake hauled a** also. Happened in Muscamoot Bay. ed

cmoore7 05-07-2019 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 4685749)
There are snakes in Lake St. Clair. One swan up to my wife while she was relaxing on a float,it crossed over her shoulder and she freaked, screamed and rolled off the float. The snake hauled a** also. Happened in Muscamoot Bay. ed

Not to hijack this post but I've only seen one snake in Lake St. Clair for the 15+ years boating here, and it was dead...lol

1MOSES1 05-07-2019 10:22 PM

Good example of a seller asking near the top of the market and unless the boat has been gone thru recently will need a lot of money thrown at it to make it good again...

https://www.offshoreonly.com/classif...fi-o75266.html

engines = 10-14k
drives = 12k
exhaust = ?




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