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BBYSTWY 04-25-2019 06:52 AM

Help me understand gun pricing
 
So I've decided that I'm not going to settle for my next boat...I want a gun and I want a nice one. That being said I'm seeing a huge disconnect in pricing between straight bottom and T/S guns. I'm no dummy and I realize the T/S is the new and best hull for a gun but I just don't understand how a 2000 straight bottom nice with some power can be found for 80-90 yet an 01 T/S with stock 525's is double that or more. Can someone shine a light on why a 1 year newer boat is double the price? I mean I get it the T/S is the new model yada yada but what justifies the price tag??

Thanks guys...be easy on me not trying to start a sh!tstorm lol

Lucky Strike Jr 04-25-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by BBYSTWY (Post 4683768)
So I've decided that I'm not going to settle for my next boat...I want a gun and I want a nice one. That being said I'm seeing a huge disconnect in pricing between straight bottom and T/S guns. I'm no dummy and I realize the T/S is the new and best hull for a gun but I just don't understand how a 2000 straight bottom nice with some power can be found for 80-90 yet an 01 T/S with stock 525's is double that or more. Can someone shine a light on why a 1 year newer boat is double the price? I mean I get it the T/S is the new model yada yada but what justifies the price tag??

Thanks guys...be easy on me not trying to start a sh!tstorm lol

I would take a ride in each and you’ll see why a T/S is a lot more $. Now, you’ll always have the people who sware by a straight bottom and they ride better....but in my opinion they don’t. We’ve had both. Some straight bottoms do ride better then other straight bottoms. All depends on the year, hull layup, cabin setup, and what drivetrain.

Here is where the T/S shines. It rides flat, no porpoise like a straight bottom. I think they are much better balanced as well. They are much more efficient (fuel wise) and speed. With the 525’s 87 octane is a huge plus too. A 03-05 38 Top Gun with 525’s and a cabin will run 84-86mph generally. A 01-02 with 500’s will run 80mph generally. Depending on the straight bottom setup, you’ll need 700hp to run 80mph as a general rule of thumb. I wouldn’t want bravos on a straight bottom with 700hp.

frickstyle 04-25-2019 07:17 AM

What I don't understand is how the 01-08 (ish) boats have not come down in price much in the past 5 years. Outdated interiors, higher hours on driveline, etc. Some of the boats would take a lot of $$ to make them nice.

Must just be the basic law of supply and demand, not a lot of great used boats for sale, and their original sell price was very high. Owners not willing to take the hit and come down on price? I get it, I'm in the same scenario.

You'd probably have to run some numbers and average it out, there are just so many variables when you're only comparing, say, 10 boats?

frickstyle 04-25-2019 07:19 AM

And like Lucky said, the T/S are faster boats with less HP, means less maintenance, less cost to operate, and more likely to be boating more. That is worth some money right there.

BBYSTWY 04-25-2019 07:25 AM

That's exactly what I'm seeing frick and exactly my point...I just don't get the huge delta in pricing for a boat that's a year newer than say a 2000 straight bottom...I totally get your point too LS...The reliability and efficiency of 500's or 525's vs 700 hp blower motors to run the same speed is a huge bonus...so maybe that's what you're paying for? The new technology and speed differential?? Not that I would use it other than an extreme emergency but I'd also have a hard time spending double the loot on a boat that doesn't even have a bathroom....Like I said would probably never use it but would be nice to have in that emergency scenario.

I've never seen a T/S in person...anybody out there close to southwest Michigan with a T/S that wouldn't mind me taking a peek??

Thanks guys!!

jbraun2828 04-25-2019 07:48 AM

Lots of differences between the two that add up. Like LS jr said, the biggest factor is the hull and balance. Twin steps should run 12-15 mph faster than a straight bottom and that’s worth a lot to some people. Most twin steps will have blue mercury power that is fuel injected which adds resale value. 03 and up will have ITS boxes with xr’s and shorty lowers. Twin steps will have a much more updated interior with more color and detail along with newer style paint as well. Wind screens, newer style gauges/throttles, bolsters, all this stuff adds up.
Besides all this, I think the biggest factor as Frick said is supply and demand. Cigarette doesn’t make a lot of go fasts anymore so if you have a nice one it’s going to hold a premium price tag. It’s tough to beat a great rough water boat that runs 85 mph with 525’s and is very reliable.

BBYSTWY 04-25-2019 08:25 AM

That's very true...maybe some will start popping up for a little cheaper

This brings another point to the table....why is it you can buy a 05-08 tiger for cheaper than a gun? Obviously the prestige of owning a Top Gun is worth something as well but from what I have been seeing newer tigers are going for less money? Does that also fall into the supply and demand category?

Lucky Strike Jr 04-25-2019 09:12 AM

It's all supply and demand. Between 2009-2014 there aren't many speed boats built, the older ones have been maintaining value because of this. I also think, with the price of a new one people don't feel the need to upgrade as much and are keeping what they have (hence supply VS demand). I don't know if you'll see them getting cheaper, it just boils down to how much work they need. You get what you pay for in an older 38 T/S.

Personally, a cabin to me is a waste, but we don't overnight...ever. I'll wait until I get to my destination to use the bathroom because when you can cruise at 65-70mph it doesn't take long to get anywhere. With my F2 TG T/S everything is setup in the cabin to have one put in, it just doesn't have the vinyl material. Plenty of storage though for lines, fenders, etc. When that headliner falls down in the cabin and you have to replace it (ask me how I know), you'll wish you didn't have one. I'll take the extra 6-7mph.

The Tiger has always been cheaper then a Gun (besides new). The Tiger has a much smaller cockpit and smaller engine compartment. The difference is in the deck. They are also much slower with the same power.

Wildman_grafix 04-25-2019 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by BBYSTWY (Post 4683784)
That's very true...maybe some will start popping up for a little cheaper

This brings another point to the table....why is it you can buy a 05-08 tiger for cheaper than a gun? Obviously the prestige of owning a Top Gun is worth something as well but from what I have been seeing newer tigers are going for less money? Does that also fall into the supply and demand category?

I think that has more to do with size, a 42 tiger is a BIG boat. Bigger truck, bigger slip, lift etc. Those things are huge and if you are not on big water why have it.

BBYSTWY 04-25-2019 09:19 AM

That's kinda what I was figuring....thanks for the insight as always!!


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