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1MOSES1 09-11-2022 09:46 PM

Top Gun Price
 
Opinions on listing price for 1994 top gun

500 EFI’s with Bravo XR’s

motors have 510 hours. Top ends done at 390 hours. Bravo xr’s recently re-built stage 2 thru AADS. New stainless marine exhaust 3-4 years ago. New transom assemblies with JR marine steering pins. Sitting on real extreme aluminum trailer.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...64af54f38.jpeg

thisistank 09-12-2022 02:25 PM

Prices are crazy. For reference, I sold our 95 top gun with 525SC’s and 3A’s that was in decent shape with upgrades on a trailer for 75k in 2013. Now, 10 years older and people are asking double. LOL.

seems like it’s name your price time. Prices are crazy.

With that said. Nice gun! 😁👍

1MOSES1 09-12-2022 03:42 PM

any other opinions…

F-2 Speedy 09-12-2022 04:02 PM

Whats the overall condition of the boat, interior, cuddy gel coat ect, options does it have AC gen set ?...there all over the place as for pricing, Id cruise some of the for sale sites and determine where to start.

https://www.boats.com/power-boats/19...p-gun-8473088/

https://www.boats.com/power-boats/19...p-gun-7863037/

1MOSES1 09-12-2022 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4844694)
Whats the overall condition of the boat, interior, cuddy gel coat ect, options does it have AC gen set ?

paint and gel are in good condition. Mechanically it’s good as listed above. New carpet. Upholstery is in decent shape.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...134fd2618.jpeg
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F-2 Speedy 09-12-2022 04:18 PM

Looks nice good engine and drive combo, IDK maybe start in the upper 80's to 90 ? and work off of that........what are you thinking ?

1MOSES1 09-12-2022 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4844700)
Looks nice good engine and drive combo, IDK maybe start in the upper 80's to 90 ? and work off of that........what are you thinking ?

not sure. Prices seem to be all over the place.


H20 Toie 09-12-2022 07:47 PM

I would start at 90 and see what kind of action you get,

Lucky Strike Jr 09-12-2022 07:50 PM

I’ll give you my opinion but I guess it matters if you are putting it up for sale to sell or putting it up for sale to see how much you can get.

A guy I know bought a 1998 with 500EFI (120 hours on rebuilds), SM manifolds, XR’s, updated Livorsi gauges, newer upholstery, on a steel trailer with nice looking paint for $90k about two months ago.

if you want to sell, I’d ask $84,900 with a little room for negotiation. With 500hrs those are going to be need to be rebuilt soon in the eyes of a buyer. We are going into fall/winter, and the economy doesn’t look to be getting better. People will want a deal. Price it reasonable and sell it, if you want to. If you want to sit on it for sale, then price it like the rest of them. There are a 3-4 straight bottoms on boat trader in the $90-99k range that aren’t selling.

Now, where’s the 38/39 I want that’s a good deal too? 😁

1MOSES1 09-12-2022 10:41 PM

Thinking maybe 87,900….

TexomaPowerboater 09-13-2022 01:11 PM

$75,000 IMO.......so maybe list it at $85k.

Agree I would price it as if motors needed rebuild. I believe prices have deflated back to pre-COVID levels, at least for these old boats where financing is difficult. I think as boats are aging the pool of interested buyers will be less and less because you can't finance it and young guy's just aren't wrenching on boats like they use to. Iphone killing off the renaissance men. Guy's that can pay $75K cash also looking at boats in 150-200K range that can be financed.

1MOSES1 09-13-2022 03:38 PM

Damn 114k

https://www.offshoreonly.com/classif...un-o82177.html

F-2 Speedy 09-13-2022 04:08 PM

I think for the masses your boat is more desirable because most dont want to mess with blowers

1MOSES1 09-13-2022 07:14 PM

should be listing it within the next week…thanks guys

1MOSES1 09-16-2022 12:53 PM

It’s listed for anyone looking. Tried to split the difference on asking price. I think it’s fair.

https://www.offshoreonly.com/classif...un-o82201.html

4195 09-17-2022 12:57 PM

I know the boat it’s clean and well maintained I think you guys are spot on with the pricing and it’s a good value to a new buyer. Turn key wave crusher.

Unlimited jd 09-17-2022 05:13 PM

Have to agree with what Frank said. Glws.

1MOSES1 09-17-2022 05:43 PM

thanks guys…a lot of blood sweet and tears went into this thing. We spared little expense on maintenance and up-keep.

Eddienel 09-17-2022 09:15 PM

I have a question. Is the hat and paper towels included in the sale? Asking for a friend...

1MOSES1 09-18-2022 05:23 PM

more pictures…


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9db220566.jpeg
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1MOSES1 09-18-2022 05:51 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f94f1ac9b.jpeg

1MOSES1 09-19-2022 06:14 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...61381aa33.jpeg

nice n shiney…

Got Cigs 09-20-2022 02:12 PM

Clean boat. GLWS

1MOSES1 09-21-2022 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Got Cigs (Post 4845589)
Clean boat. GLWS

thanks!!!

1MOSES1 09-21-2022 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 4844791)
$75,000 IMO.......so maybe list it at $85k.

Agree I would price it as if motors needed rebuild. I believe prices have deflated back to pre-COVID levels, at least for these old boats where financing is difficult. I think as boats are aging the pool of interested buyers will be less and less because you can't finance it and young guy's just aren't wrenching on boats like they use to. Iphone killing off the renaissance men. Guy's that can pay $75K cash also looking at boats in 150-200K range that can be financed.

don’t disagree with your numbers…but all the free money has dried up. Who is going to pull a home equity at 6.5% or stroll up to a credit union giving 8-10%. Financing simply isn’t attractive right now.

Wildman_grafix 09-22-2022 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4845728)
don’t disagree with your numbers…but all the free money has dried up. Who is going to pull a home equity at 6.5% or stroll up to a credit union giving 8-10%. Financing simply isn’t attractive right now.

Even before rates went up the only good way to finance a boat was home equity, pretty much anything more then 10 was hard, 20 dam near impossible. The issue i found with that, think about it very few performance V's made in the last 10 years.
Unless big power OL's that some may be able to afford to buy but not maintain.


1MOSES1 09-24-2022 07:46 AM

will toss in free winterization and indoor heated storage…🥸

Interceptor 09-24-2022 04:37 PM

That is an amazing clean boat.

1MOSES1 09-29-2022 08:36 PM

last call…it’s getting winterized in 2-3 weeks.

otherwise I’ll try to sell in the spring.

TexomaPowerboater 09-30-2022 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4845728)
don’t disagree with your numbers…but all the free money has dried up. Who is going to pull a home equity at 6.5% or stroll up to a credit union giving 8-10%. Financing simply isn’t attractive right now.


Agree financing could be difficult. If it was what I was looking for I would not hesitate to pay $75K cash for that boat and that is coming from someone who has the ability and well informed after shopping for over a year or so not to mention most of my adult life just love browsing the classifieds.

The boat certainly stands out in the classifieds in that price range (in a good way). Inflation just so tough right now for everyone I think and stock market not doing good so people don't want to sell off any stocks to pay for it.

1MOSES1 09-30-2022 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 4846793)
Agree financing could be difficult. If it was what I was looking for I would not hesitate to pay $75K cash for that boat and that is coming from someone who has the ability and well informed after shopping for over a year or so not to mention most of my adult life just love browsing the classifieds.

The boat certainly stands out in the classifieds in that price range (in a good way). Inflation just so tough right now for everyone I think and stock market not doing good so people don't want to sell off any stocks to pay for it.

thanks!!!!! appreciate the constructive feedback.

as a side note…someone offered $50k. 😂🤣😂🤣

show me a clean top gun with modern equipment listed for less than $90k. they don’t exist. not to say the market hasn’t corrected but I can’t give the boat away.



Lucky Strike Jr 09-30-2022 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4846802)
thanks!!!!! appreciate the constructive feedback.

as a side note…someone offered $50k. 😂🤣😂🤣

show me a clean top gun with modern equipment listed for less than $90k. they don’t exist. not to say the market hasn’t corrected but I can’t give the boat away.

I hear what you're saying, but I think we are just at the beginning of the market correction and it hasn't set in yet for sellers. If you look at the majority of Cigs on yacht world, they have been having reductions in price. I do think $50 is low, but people are looking for bargains right now (myself included). I would lower the price a little before you winterize it just to see if you get anymore action. You may or may not. You can always try again next Spring.

I see the same thing happening soon as it did in 2008. Sellers will be upside down in their boats (whether they have a loan or not), cash buyers want a bargain, nothing gets bought and sold. Just my opinion....

1MOSES1 09-30-2022 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Lucky Strike Jr (Post 4846818)
I hear what you're saying, but I think we are just at the beginning of the market correction and it hasn't set in yet for sellers. If you look at the majority of Cigs on yacht world, they have been having reductions in price. I do think $50 is low, but people are looking for bargains right now (myself included). I would lower the price a little before you winterize it just to see if you get anymore action. You may or may not. You can always try again next Spring.

I see the same thing happening soon as it did in 2008. Sellers will be upside down in their boats (whether they have a loan or not), cash buyers want a bargain, nothing gets bought and sold. Just my opinion....

i agree with your assessment. No loan here I own it outright. That being said I have more than $50k in parts. Even in a down market fair value is 65-70k. That’s what they were going for pre-pandemic.

thanks.

302Sport 09-30-2022 01:33 PM

I think Ian is going to help the market stay inflated for another little while as there is going to be a gang of buyers with insurance checks in SW FL now…

1MOSES1 09-30-2022 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 4846834)
I think Ian is going to help the market stay inflated for another little while as there is going to be a gang of buyers with insurance checks in SW FL now…

I like the way you think…increase the price then? Jk

TexomaPowerboater 09-30-2022 03:21 PM

The parts alone worth $50K and it's a well cared for boat. I like a deal too, but I don't like surprises so I usually assume the worst when I see a deal. I just don't subscribe to the idea that you can even get a "deal", rather I think the seller just knows more about what the boat needs and has already adjusted the price accordingly whether or not you figure out and determine the cost of fixing everything that's wrong.

I recently bought this 28 saber with no power and have about a $75K budget for that boat to get it in about the shape of this cigarette and it's a 1989. It's like a mini top gun. Here's an old old pic previous owner sent me, hasn't changed, I even offered $75K for another 28 Saber that was turn key 90mph boat got rejected, guy said he had over $100K into it and wanted most of it back!!!
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...73fdc81056.jpg

1MOSES1 09-30-2022 03:48 PM

Here are more pics…swim platform powder coated last year, engines rebuilt 4 years ago, transom assemblies new 4 years ago.


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1MOSES1 10-01-2022 01:41 PM

Winter Sale

price reduced - $79,900


Full Force 10-07-2022 11:37 AM

My personal opinion on what I have seen actually sell and what's been listed over the last 5 to 8 years, boats are starting to come down pretty hard with interest rates rising and most cash buyers are not buying these boats, your boat is beautiful in great shape I think a listing number should be around 70 or 75,000 and a realistic selling number will be between 60 and 70,000 within the next year after that it's going to be less, honestly if you love the boat and don't want to sell for that kind of money I would probably hang onto it or keep it listed high and you might get lucky for someone that just has to have it, I don't mind the paint job personally but there's a lot of people that aren't going to want that either so that isn't going to help. Before of the government virus these boats were floating between 55 and $70,000 give or take equipment, Personally I think three years from now they're going to be less

1MOSES1 10-08-2022 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4847628)
My personal opinion on what I have seen actually sell and what's been listed over the last 5 to 8 years, boats are starting to come down pretty hard with interest rates rising and most cash buyers are not buying these boats, your boat is beautiful in great shape I think a listing number should be around 70 or 75,000 and a realistic selling number will be between 60 and 70,000 within the next year after that it's going to be less, honestly if you love the boat and don't want to sell for that kind of money I would probably hang onto it or keep it listed high and you might get lucky for someone that just has to have it, I don't mind the paint job personally but there's a lot of people that aren't going to want that either so that isn't going to help. Before of the government virus these boats were floating between 55 and $70,000 give or take equipment, Personally I think three years from now they're going to be less

thanks for the feedback full force. Seems like the boat is priced appropriately at $79k


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