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underpsi68 10-30-2023 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4883950)
So the sensor may be off 5%?

Not necessarily. Could have been e82, e80, e78, e75 etc. Pump could be off from e10 also. Could be higher. I have seen over e10 at the pump near me.

hogie roll 10-30-2023 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4883949)
10 gallons of e85 (true 85%) and 17 gallons of 93 pump(e10) is e37.

Youre right. Probably an OK reading considering E85 is usually less.

ICDEDPPL 10-30-2023 07:52 PM

In our area the E85 gas pumps say "contains 70-75% ethanol" ( or close to that ) They lower the alcohol content for winter so I wonder if I got the E85 winter mix.
The GM flex fuel sensor should be pretty accurate .. I hope!!

Knot 4 Me 10-31-2023 07:18 AM

What did you do in terms of the tanks for winter storage being you had a decent alcohol content in them?

ICDEDPPL 10-31-2023 03:20 PM

I`m on E in both tanks after that run , but I also added Marvel mystery oil and Amsoil Ethanol treatment at the launch before taking it out for the season.
I have a few bottles filled with 33% ethanol.
One is open to atmosphere
One is closed.
One is treated with the Amsoil
One is treated with the another ethanol stabilizer available locally.
They`ve been sitting around for a few months .. it`ll be interesting what happenes 6 months from now.

jeff32 10-31-2023 04:19 PM

nice test to do ! curious to see the end results !

Quinlan 10-31-2023 04:59 PM

Thats what i always do -Burn that chit up and start fresh in the spring.

Good work man.

underpsi68 10-31-2023 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4883998)
I`m on E in both tanks after that run , but I also added Marvel mystery oil and Amsoil Ethanol treatment at the launch before taking it out for the season.
I have a few bottles filled with 33% ethanol.
One is open to atmosphere
One is closed.
One is treated with the Amsoil
One is treated with the another ethanol stabilizer available locally.
They`ve been sitting around for a few months .. it`ll be interesting what happenes 6 months from now.

I have been running e85 for around 15 years now. I never had an issue, except last year. I always run alcohol lube in the fuel, except this time. I didn't add any to the tank and had my car down longer than I planned. It was suppose to be a few weeks and turned into 4 months. Some of the injectors wouldn't open. Previous to this, I had the engine not run for months at a time, probably 4 or more months. Never an issue. I was able to get them unstuck luckily.

Honestly, for the money you have invested, I would remove the injectors and pickle them for the winter. If mine car will be down for extended time, I have started doing this.

I bought a fuel injector flow/ test machine. It was cheap, and it's nice to see the flow on the injectors, and you can flush all the e85 out. When your done cycle the injectors with some light weight oil.

I have pulled the injectors out of every car in my family and cleaned and flowed them all. I even pulled the 2 tiny injectors out of my 20hp outboard and flowed and pickled them for the season. After I made 2 adapters for them because they were so small.

ICDEDPPL 10-31-2023 11:14 PM

Interesting .. you run pure E85 thou.
What alcohol lube are you running ?
Marvel has some good lubricity

boostbros 11-01-2023 06:33 AM

where did you get the injector testor/cleaner

underpsi68 11-02-2023 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4884044)
Interesting .. you run pure E85 thou.
What alcohol lube are you running ?
Marvel has some good lubricity

I run pump E85 99% of the time. By me it is 85 % in the summer (still 84% a week ago the last time i filled up), and usually 75% in the winter but can go down to 70%.

Alcohol doesn't have any/much lubricating properties. Gasoline does. The more gas, the more lube. The lube helps the injectors and fuel pump. I know Marvel is good, just don't know how it is with alcohol. Don't want to take any chances and find out lol. The lube below mixes well and doesn't separate in the fuel.

Most will say 60% ethanol will give you very good detonation resistance. I personally start pulling boost and timing under 70%. I'm not afraid of running 30lbs of boost on E70 (9:1 compression).

This is the lube I have been running for 15 years. It used to be around $9-10 a bottle. THANKS JOE!!! https://www.summitracing.com/parts/plu-19769-37

People also say Lucas ethanol lube works well. I was going to try that when my stock runs low.

underpsi68 11-02-2023 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by boostbros (Post 4884049)
where did you get the injector testor/cleaner

This is the machine I have; https://www.ebay.com/itm/17476177321...BlBMUOCVz6nyYg

This machine can not be compared to the $10k machines. I have had good success with the one I posted. Just keep in mind it is designed for stock size fuel injectors. It can not keep up with larger injectors and the Fuel Pressure will drop/pulse.

Over this winter I am going to install a larger pump/lines/fuel rail/regulator. I run 210lb injectors and flow them 1 at a time right now. I am hoping I will be able to run 4 (or at least 2) at a time with the new setup. It is very interesting to see how each injector flows. The larger injectors have a much larger variance on the lower pw's. Even the $2000 matched Injector Dynamic injectors were only match at 3ms and above. I was told by Injector Dynamics if they tried to match them any lower, they would never get a matched set across the ms range. I can definitely see that when I flow them. I can make individual cylinder adjustments over rpm/load. Helps trying to even them out especially at low duty cycle.

hogie roll 11-13-2023 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4884187)
This is the machine I have; https://www.ebay.com/itm/17476177321...BlBMUOCVz6nyYg

This machine can not be compared to the $10k machines. I have had good success with the one I posted. Just keep in mind it is designed for stock size fuel injectors. It can not keep up with larger injectors and the Fuel Pressure will drop/pulse.

Over this winter I am going to install a larger pump/lines/fuel rail/regulator. I run 210lb injectors and flow them 1 at a time right now. I am hoping I will be able to run 4 (or at least 2) at a time with the new setup. It is very interesting to see how each injector flows. The larger injectors have a much larger variance on the lower pw's. Even the $2000 matched Injector Dynamic injectors were only match at 3ms and above. I was told by Injector Dynamics if they tried to match them any lower, they would never get a matched set across the ms range. I can definitely see that when I flow them. I can make individual cylinder adjustments over rpm/load. Helps trying to even them out especially at low duty cycle.

At Bosch we evaluated dynamic flow at 2.5ms/10ms. We evaluated a statistically significant quantity of 30 and applied statistical analysis to to make assumptions on production total volumes.

We delivered less than 3% variability and also found that measurement capability and repeatability made taking that number lower quite challenging.

Densos, which had a machined main body, could beat our deep drawn body injectors by a little. I think the magnetic circuit performance was probably a variable on repeatability.

This was was for production low pressure ev14 port injectors from 15-20 years ago. Not sure where they are now. Probably nothing that did much more than 50hp/cyl size wise.

Rhythm and Blues 11-20-2023 03:30 PM

Amazing effort and fairly unparalleled attention to detail Dan, it’s been a while since I checked in. At one point you were considering selling and going to a cruiser; I think everyone is thankful you stayed on this path. I think you set the bar for the benchmark of Flatdeck restomods! Hell of a nice job. Have a good Thanksgiving.
PS, tattoos on pretty ladies make me feel kinda funny like when I use to climb the rope in gym class…

Nickg3130 11-27-2023 05:55 PM

This has to be one of my favorite builds. I followed it on the Flat Decks page on facebook but there is some awesome info on here. The boat looks perfect and hitting the 100 mph milestone is awesome. Not sure if it was talked about or not but i wonder how much benefit a notched transom would get you. Although I'm sure you'd hate to cut the back of the boat up just like I would. Regardless super impressive and seems like you're enjoying the hell out of it. Congrats!

Rick G 11-27-2023 06:35 PM

A notch is a lot work but doable. I did it to my 1985 Kevlar flat deck. There is
a thread on here called How to put a notch in a flat deck if I remember correctly. I did it a number of years age. Rick G

ICDEDPPL 11-27-2023 08:29 PM

Rick, I miss you buddy , where you been!?

Nick, thank you , I never really put a whole lot of info on there .. Correct me if I`m wrong but the purpose of a notch is to get the drives into some clean water and to be able to raise the drives?
I`m 4' away from the transom, my drives have plenty of fresha water lol . I don`t think a notch would do much except a shorter running surface.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2079918d04.jpg






My drives and garbage motors.

grindermech 11-27-2023 08:43 PM

Dan IS the Man!

Nickg3130 11-27-2023 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4885808)
Rick, I miss you buddy , where you been!?

Nick, thank you , I never really put a whole lot of info on there .. Correct me if I`m wrong but the purpose of a notch is to get the drives into some clean water and to be able to raise the drives?
I`m 4' away from the transom, my drives have plenty of fresha water lol . I don`t think a notch would do much except a shorter running surface.









My drives and garbage motors.


I think you're right about the notch and to be honest for the amount of work it would be I doubt it would be beneficial. Im just going off of what the 41 apache hull design is like. Although the one we run with staggered 1250s and #6s only runs in the low 100s maybe 110 on a good day with some chop, and thats a 6 pack boat with no real cabin. These hulls were more meant to take a beating at 90 than hit triple digits.

Rick G 11-27-2023 09:55 PM

Hi Dan as always your ride looks amazing. When are you coming to Canada for a visit Didn’t run the flat deck this year lost my mother this
his past May and before I knew it the summer was over. Dan is right though with the sixes on those big boxes a notch would serve little benefit. Back in the hay day even most of the apaches ran number 3 or 3A drives where the notch was beneficial given little set back. I put the notch in so as to run number 5 drives without boxes. Cheers RG

ICDEDPPL 11-28-2023 01:06 PM

Im sorry to hear that Rick, my condolences.
I`m sure I will be in Put in Bay sometimes next year and I can cross over .
I was going to hook up with Jay last year .. If I recall he was at Pelee island.. not a far drive.

Rick G 11-29-2023 09:24 PM

Dan sounds like a plan . Let’s stay in touch. RG .

ICDEDPPL 12-03-2023 10:29 AM

Not sure how $hit breaks just sitting but I guess the drive and helmet has to come off to get to the other end of the hose.:hitfan:

https://rumble.com/v3zdyua-trim-line-leak.html


ICDEDPPL 12-03-2023 10:32 AM

Replacing some cleats. Ceiling and sides have to come off to get to the bolts.:whistle:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a3dce18532.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...aed1f96d3c.jpg

Ironmanwb 12-09-2023 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4886164)
Replacing some cleats. Ceiling and sides have to come off to get to the bolts.:whistle:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a3dce18532.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...aed1f96d3c.jpg


Check out the cleats From Shaun Torrente... A little pricey but really nice.

https://shauntorrenteracing.com/


ICDEDPPL 12-09-2023 11:31 PM

That`s not a little pricey , that`s ALOT pricey!

Helmwurst 12-10-2023 09:17 AM

You got gremlins running loose in your shop!

Ironmanwb 12-10-2023 12:45 PM

I know I was just trying to make myself feel better about it....

ICDEDPPL 03-25-2024 06:49 PM

Some new lights and and shoes, fix a bunch of dings and scratches, re clear the red on the side and deck.. wet sand and buff/polish.

Excited to see how the new props work out .
18x31x18R

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f6ba8ec53f.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f6858c1c02.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b2da61a611.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...81ae272cec.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b280e4b65e.jpg

BBYSTWY 03-25-2024 07:36 PM

Looking great as usual! Time to get a net made for the bed instead of the 10 dollar autozone mullet special pro net hahahahaha just messin with ya Dan...don't go all psycho on me :angry-smiley-038:

ICDEDPPL 03-26-2024 12:16 AM

Ya that thing belongs on a truck bed but it works so good! I`m open to suggestions

BBYSTWY 03-26-2024 07:15 PM

I've been needing one in my boat since I bought it....hit the go stick and everything on the bed is now on the floor hahaha

The ole lady has a stretchy net deal in the back of her Yukon so groceries don't fly all over...its all black and is more like stretchy cord that a net...I think she got it on amazon. Was planning on one of those whenever I get around to getting mine back on the water :cool:

ICDEDPPL 03-26-2024 11:01 PM

I had that black stretch one , Imagine a baloon thats about to pop. IT would be full of stuff and stretched to the max , it didn`t last long

BBYSTWY 03-26-2024 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4894051)
I had that black stretch one , Imagine a baloon thats about to pop. IT would be full of stuff and stretched to the max , it didn`t last long

:lolhit:

Wally 03-27-2024 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4893956)
Ya that thing belongs on a truck bed but it works so good! I`m open to suggestions

Dan, get some Nylon webbing in what ever color you want to match the interior and have an upholstery guy sew one up for ya that's a bit more custom...hell add a Cig logo to the center and make it look factory ;)
https://www.strapworks.com/shop-by-p...lon/flat-nylon

thisistank 03-27-2024 01:30 PM

You been out running that beast much Dan or still too cold?

I would put in the zipper vinyl wall like cigarette did stock on the half cabins.

or just leave it. lol. Whatever.

bencini231 03-27-2024 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4894111)
You been out running that beast much Dan or still too cold?

I would put in the zipper vinyl wall like cigarette did stick on the half cabins.

or just leave it. lol. Whatever.

Your idea is exactly what I'm having done to our AT.

ICDEDPPL 03-27-2024 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4894111)
You been out running that beast much Dan or still too cold?

I would put in the zipper vinyl wall like cigarette did stick on the half cabins.

or just leave it. lol. Whatever.

Too cold.
Heading to TEXAS with Little Carpe and then possibly ROTO on the 13th for the first ride of the season.

thisistank 03-27-2024 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4894138)
Too cold.
Heading to TEXAS with Little Carpe and then possibly ROTO on the 13th for the first ride of the season.

nice!! Little road trip.

we’ll be heading to havasu next week to finally put eyes on and run our boat. :picard1:

Diamond Dave 03-28-2024 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4893956)
Ya that thing belongs on a truck bed but it works so good! I`m open to suggestions

Sew a Cig logo over the Pro Net logo. Problem solved. That's what Nor-Tech did on mine.


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