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h2oboater 03-26-2007 10:42 PM

I just could not stay out of the game
 
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Back in the Day Wally Harper had one of the [badist] Magnums ever to race Li'L SMIDGEN ,, it later became Seminole Spirt, than American Spirt. Like Father Like Son Wally Jr & Ron Harper had the need to race too. There boat, SMIDGEN TOO a 24' Cobra with twin 302 Holman Moody Fords. I Just bought this classic, its in rough shape but its all there I plane to restore it as it raced back in 1975, should make a good historic racer.

talmaguer 03-27-2007 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2071893)
Back in the Day Wally Harper had one of the [badist] Magnums ever to race Li'L SMIDGEN ,, it later became Seminole Spirt, than American Spirt. Like Father Like Son Wally Jr & Ron Harper had the need to race too. There boat, SMIDGEN TOO a 24' Cobra with twin 302 Holman Moody Fords. I Just bought this classic, its in rough shape but its all there I plane to restore it as it raced back in 1975, should make a good historic racer.

Let me know if you want some help. I have some free time in my hands and a need for some sort of hobby. My bar tabs are getting ridiculous

ViciousOne 03-27-2007 08:14 AM

mark, If ya need help with anything let me know.


Spark

h2oboater 03-27-2007 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by talmaguer (Post 2072090)
Let me know if you want some help. I have some free time in my hands and a need for some sort of hobby. My bar tabs are getting ridiculous

Tony you have to look for when its happy hour,or wish the Monroe boat club was closer. Were going to get some better pics first. The one I posted is the only one I have so far. Thanks will keep you posted.

h2oboater 03-27-2007 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by ViciousOne (Post 2072092)
mark, If ya need help with anything let me know.


Spark

Thanks Spark I will need some advice on this one,I originally bought the boat as a donor boat for a Magnum project. But when I found out it had Smidgen Too cast into the trim tabs I knew this would be a great boat to restore. Mark

Smarty 03-27-2007 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2071893)
Back in the Day Wally Harper had one of the [badist] Magnums ever to race Li'L SMIDGEN ,, it later became Seminole Spirt, than American Spirt. Like Father Like Son Wally Jr & Ron Harper had the need to race too. There boat, SMIDGEN TOO a 24' Cobra with twin 302 Holman Moody Fords. I Just bought this classic, its in rough shape but its all there I plane to restore it as it raced back in 1975, should make a good historic racer.

Your quote, "one of the [badist] Magnums ever to race Li'L SMIDGEN " is about as accurate as it gets. That was my favorite Magnum raceboat.

h2oboater 03-29-2007 09:31 AM

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Don Aronow's ultimate creation, at least thats what the ad say's. The year 1980.

Stormrider 03-29-2007 02:45 PM

h2o, thats awsome... i'd like find one w/ original paint.

littlenige 03-29-2007 03:52 PM

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The classic Spirit.........

h2oboater 03-31-2007 07:11 PM

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Way Back In The Day !!! Catalina 1972 Doc Magoon Win's

littlenige 04-01-2007 04:39 AM

Fantastic stuff! Thanks for posting!

h2oboater 04-02-2007 01:26 PM

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Found a few more from Way Back In The Day, a 1971 Detroit New's story about Bill Wishnick and how Offshore Racing may come to Detroit. The race would be from Detroit to Port Huron and back, to bad it never happened ! The other story is about a 29 year old Bill Martin winning the Casale Trophy with his 33' Magnum, Hustler IV. It's a Great story hope you can read it !

Black Tornado 04-02-2007 05:33 PM

Really Fantastic!
Many Thanks h2oboater!
Interesting to know that Catalina race in 1972 was the first victory of the Magoon's new Aeromarine III that came only in September. Interesting too to see the red/white Popeye Cig.36' of Dominic Visconsi.
About the race of Detroit in 1971 it's lacking the story.
Can you post it and others Way Back in the Day?

h2oboater 04-02-2007 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2078845)
Found a few more from Way Back In The Day, a 1971 Detroit New's story about Bill Wishnick and how Offshore Racing may come to Detroit. The race would be from Detroit to Port Huron and back, to bad it never happened ! The other story is about a 29 year old Bill Martin winning the Casale Trophy with his 33' Magnum, Hustler IV. It's a Great story hope you can read it !

The paper is very old but here it is. The last paragraph read's Chicago hopes to hold a across lake Michigan event. Detroiter Freddie Alter a Gold Cup driver has sought backing for a Ambassador Bridge - Blue Water Bridge and return race. [ Back then Fred Alter was a local Unlimited Hydro driver and had a Wood Offshore V bottom boat called the Griffin he planed to race ] If you enlarge the paper's print you can read most of it.

Black Tornado 04-02-2007 06:38 PM

It's ok! Thanks!

ygrowup 04-02-2007 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2078845)
Found a few more from Way Back In The Day, a 1971 Detroit New's story about Bill Wishnick and how Offshore Racing may come to Detroit. The race would be from Detroit to Port Huron and back, to bad it never happened ! The other story is about a 29 year old Bill Martin winning the Casale Trophy with his 33' Magnum, Hustler IV. It's a Great story hope you can read it !

Here's one for the way back in the way back crowd.....36 Bertram. Never seen the '666' one before (dig the font on the deck!) nor the hatch / scoop ? just aft. Any idea who ran it & colors?

h2oboater 04-02-2007 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2078845)
Found a few more from Way Back In The Day, a 1971 Detroit New's story about Bill Wishnick and how Offshore Racing may come to Detroit. The race would be from Detroit to Port Huron and back, to bad it never happened ! The other story is about a 29 year old Bill Martin winning the Casale Trophy with his 33' Magnum, Hustler IV. It's a Great story hope you can read it !

Buy 1978 Billy Martin was the man, on the cover of Motorboat, they said he the fastest man on the ocean. Even Betty Cook thought he was the best driver then ! I like the use of a bungee cord holding down the shifters

Black Tornado 04-03-2007 02:25 AM

I have had a copy of that Motorboat magazine,but then I gave it to a my friend.
I remember there were more pics of Martin.

littlenige 04-03-2007 05:16 AM

Wow! Gotta love this site! Old school rules!!

priceb 04-03-2007 06:17 AM

This old stuff is so cool. I could read the old school boating mags and sites non stop. I think there should be a profile page for both a. old school boats, and b. old school drivers with profiles on their lives, careers and if they are still alive etc.

I'd love to know what happened to guys like Billy Martin, Art Norris, Dante Tagnoli etc.

Also, what happened to their boats

Black Tornado 04-03-2007 08:04 AM

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A Black Panther in Europe.
In 1980 Pepe Nunez had to compete with him 28' Pantera in Europe for some races, like the Viareggio-Bastia-Viareggio finishing 4th overall and 2nd in Class 2 behind the Cougar cat 33' with 4 Mercury of Fabrizio Smania.

Black Tornado 04-03-2007 08:17 AM

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With the Italian Michele Marelli Pepe raced the Venice Trophy with the same result:2nd in Class 2.
In 1981 the boat was sold to the 1980's Italian Champion Doc.Tommaso De Simone and then it was sold in England to Henry Hector that finished 2nd overall and 1st in Class II at the Spithead Trophy and Guernsey.

h2oboater 04-03-2007 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2079664)
I have had a copy of that Motorboat magazine,but then I gave it to a my friend.
I remember there were more pics of Martin.

B T you are right there is more, the artist Ray Houlihan did these great sketches from the Ceder Point's race 1978, also in that Motorboat Magazine.

h2oboater 04-03-2007 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2079821)
With the Italian Michele Marelli Pepe raced the Venice Trophy with the same result:2nd in Class 2.
In 1981 the boat was sold to the 1980's Italian Champion Doc.Tommaso De Simone and then it was sold in England to Henry Hector that finished 2nd overall and 1st in Class II at the Spithead Trophy and Guernsey.

Now we know the fate of P-128 Black Sunday Thanks, B T.

Stormrider 04-03-2007 09:40 AM

bungee cord on shifters...
 

Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2079592)
... I like the use of a bungee cord holding down the shifters

Magnum Mark(el indio) still does this... on his 41apache.

Ryan Beckley 04-03-2007 02:52 PM

I still use the bungee in the OB race boat, cheap insurance. And one small one on each outboard cowling two.

Black Tornado 04-03-2007 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2079512)
Here's one for the way back in the way back crowd.....36 Bertram. Never seen the '666' one before (dig the font on the deck!) nor the hatch / scoop ? just aft. Any idea who ran it & colors?

You will find answers to your questions on this my old thread:
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=151758

el indio 04-03-2007 04:19 PM

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bungee..........

Offshoreracr 04-03-2007 06:55 PM

Long Shot
 
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I pretty sure the Long Shot with the raised front deck in the front went to Chicago. I talked to Cashbrain about buying it in late 02 or early 03, not sure. Always wondered where it went.

Billy Martin 04-03-2007 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by priceb (Post 2079707)
This old stuff is so cool. I could read the old school boating mags and sites non stop. I think there should be a profile page for both a. old school boats, and b. old school drivers with profiles on their lives, careers and if they are still alive etc.

I'd love to know what happened to guys like Billy Martin, Art Norris, Dante Tagnoli etc.

Also, what happened to their boats

Billy Has come outta retirment and plays with the OPA Jersey Boyz.

Thanks,
Jr.

Billy Martin 04-03-2007 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2079592)
Buy 1978 Billy Martin was the man, on the cover of Motorboat, they said he the fastest man on the ocean. Even Betty Cook thought he was the best driver then ! I like the use of a bungee cord holding down the shifters

My Father Still Laughs when he sees those pics, Just thinking about the poor photographer kneeling on the deck at 80+ mph trying to take the photos around the turns. Oh and yeah they did have a little fun with him as well lol.
Jr.

el indio 04-03-2007 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2079941)
Magnum Mark(el indio) still does this... on his 41apache.

i dont have an old ex race boat........but i do have on old ex work boat....there is no forum for those on this site....but without the work boats there would have been alot less race boats......food for thought for you offshore groupies! cya.....

racesdad 04-03-2007 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by ygrowup (Post 2045367)
The 30 Velocity / Putt Putt reminded me of B-Fast, which ran out of the great lakes mid to late 90's. Ralph & Tom usually managed to keep this fast, but unpredictable beast in a straight line. But every once in while, she'd show her mean streak by spitting out one or more of the crew. Louie "the buoy" was navigator & chief rag waver at the turns & S / F. He also held the distinction of getting tossed with alarming regularity. Key West ~'95....they're in a huge pack of B boats coming into the first outside turn in typical KW nastiness. As the spray settles and the scrum is sorted out, the turn buoy is destroyed and Louie has once again gone swimming. Although ok, bad news is the slower B boats and an even larger fleet of A boats are now turning on the only orange thing in the water...Louie's head! And the Detroit legend of "Louie the Buoy" was born.

As the Velocity boys say....pads, steps, beaks, bustles, bull!

louie was nuts. we have had a few together. i miss those days. BRING THEM BACK PLEASE
MIKE STANCOMBE

el indio 04-04-2007 07:17 AM

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buenos dias..........

h2oboater 04-04-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by priceb (Post 2079707)
This old stuff is so cool. I could read the old school boating mags and sites non stop. I think there should be a profile page for both a. old school boats, and b. old school drivers with profiles on their lives, careers and if they are still alive etc.

I'd love to know what happened to guys like Billy Martin, Art Norris, Dante Tagnoli etc.

Also, what happened to their boats

Art Norris a 24 year old Detroiter Won the 1974 APBA High Point Championship in his 36' Cigarette Slap Shot in just his second year of racing. At that time Norris was the VP of the Detroit Red Wings a team his family owned. Art did not return to defend his Championship in 1975, instead he went back to the hockey team. Art Norris did keep ties with power boating, he opened a Magnum dealership.

This story is from a 1974 Powerboat Magazine.

Black Tornado 04-05-2007 04:05 AM

"Snapper" Norris was one of the best 36's driver and him Slap Shot was simply Magnificent!

Go ahead,h2oboater!

h2oboater 04-05-2007 11:28 AM

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Speed Trials from 1974, many types of boats raced offshore in California back in the day. This is were many newcomers in the sport started [Hal Sahlman Betty Cook] This is from a 1974 Powerboat Magazine.

priceb 04-06-2007 12:35 AM

Hey Thanks Black Tornado & H20 Boater

But what ever happened to the boat slap shot? Does it still exist? What ever happened to Snapper Norris? Does he still race?

Also, nice to see Billy Martins son on here. What ever happened to your dad's boats?

Black Tornado 04-06-2007 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 2083030)
Speed Trials from 1974, many types of boats raced offshore in California back in the day. This is were many newcomers in the sport started [Hal Sahlman Betty Cook] This is from a 1974 Powerboat Magazine.

Little story aboat that photos:

The first above on left was one of the three The Cigarette that Don drove in the him triumphant 1969's season. Then it was sold to Balestrieri that drove it to win the world Title in 1970.
In 1971 Balestrieri made to modify the boat being cut it some centimeters under the deck. The boat turned out therefore shortened of 1' becaming a 31' and made to put a deck in marine plywood. After some races failed the boat was abandoned and Balestrieri send it in the Tornado Team in Florida. In USA the boat competed in a race in 1972 drove from the rookie De Angelis before being drove from other rookie,Hal Sahlman in 1974 as The Little Cigarette.
In the right page the Nordskog's Powerboat Magazine,first 35' ever builded. Note the first version of that prototype still with the 36' deck and engines hatches like Richie Powers wrote in a old post.

priceb 04-06-2007 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Black Tornado (Post 2083702)
Little story aboat that photos:

In the right page the Nordskog's Powerboat Magazine,first 35' ever builded. Note the first version of that prototype still with the 36' deck and engines hatches like Richie Powers wrote in a old post.

Black Tornado, can you please elaborate on this quote? Can you also go into more detail if possible about whatever happened to it? Also, how similar is the 35' top gun to this boat?


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