Repaired -ring in-copy- new-replica
05-07-2007 | 03:06 PM
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The clone should be called "Blade Runner"!
Man, it's such a fine line... Retubbing an old race car because the tub is worn out would clearly be considered restoration (until the old tub shows up at the track...). I guess it seems like the same thing in your circumstance, to me at least...
Man, it's such a fine line... Retubbing an old race car because the tub is worn out would clearly be considered restoration (until the old tub shows up at the track...). I guess it seems like the same thing in your circumstance, to me at least...
Also NCRS considers restamped VIN no´s for period correct date coded (cast marks) non original engines to be No´s match in Corvette restorations.
They are also sold NOS match...but the old numbers can always be found if they are stamped and even grinded away..you just heat the area in question with a torch a while and Voila...the original stamped no´s "surface".
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06-03-2007 | 01:25 AM
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Charlie, I´m myself against 100% copies if there´s no connection with the original, otherwise we´d be having 15 "the Cigarettes"... Reminds me of L-88 Corvettes where at one point there was more "restored ones" than built originally.
Just getting a classic hull and doing it with period correct paint styles and period correct items is ok in my eyes for a sc. Historic NEW class (ok this allows also 15 the Cigarettes in different colours or different boats with identical paint schemes...tough to control that.)
Will this be an entry level to the Hobby...I doubt it, I still see the current racing classes more suited to those that really wants to race.
Regarding engines..Mechanical f.i. or Carbs only, drives maybe period correct ones only too, no EFI...that way the REAL Crown Jewels can run with the newer ones.
Just getting a classic hull and doing it with period correct paint styles and period correct items is ok in my eyes for a sc. Historic NEW class (ok this allows also 15 the Cigarettes in different colours or different boats with identical paint schemes...tough to control that.)
Will this be an entry level to the Hobby...I doubt it, I still see the current racing classes more suited to those that really wants to race.
Regarding engines..Mechanical f.i. or Carbs only, drives maybe period correct ones only too, no EFI...that way the REAL Crown Jewels can run with the newer ones.
06-04-2007 | 09:01 AM
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If you have a specific boat with all (or what's left) of the hardware and use an exact doner hull to recreate a historic boat it is not really a clone (you are using what you can from the original). It is not the original but it may be the only way to keep the history alive. Let's face it a historic race boat is like a painting. The sum of it's parts is worth a heck of a lot more than the parts themselves. If you strip a trashed old race boat for parts you end up with a pile of out of date parts.
The boat should not be presented as the original but a rebuilt version of the original.
The boat should not be presented as the original but a rebuilt version of the original.
06-05-2007 | 01:51 AM
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That reminds a lot of like them 6/8/12mR rule restorations.
Up here we have a really strong fleet of classic 6mR´s and some of them does not have more than two planks of wood left from the original, also they have been updated to the latest Classic rule and therefore have aluminum Masts, Kevlar/Carbon sails and the hulls are basically cold laminated and customized to have a better mR number than originally.
Yes from a distance they look classic and also to the eyes of the general public but sometimes only the number on the sails is the only thing that´s original.
Personally I don´t think much of those types of "restorations" which are made solely for getting the (fill your favourite here) competitive.
But then again there is some that are true to their design.
I consider a boat original if the hull at least is original despite rebuilt, new decks (to original design offcourse) are made all the time.. I did one to a wooden 32footer sailboat years ago so to a powerboat if the mold is still around why not, also at the same time reinforcings can be made to the hull easier.
Regarding other pieces like mechanicals and instruments those are bolt ons´ so no problem replacing them IMO with working ones with somewhat resemblance to the originals.
Regardin restamping a hull because a new deck and riggins is done like a few Apaches have got is in my eyes plain wrong, the hull has a HIN and thats it, a hull chassis /whatever is numbered once right..the first time.
And to those that think their parts from a boat is worth anything above normal, well they just have parts from it like you said Tom nothing more, replacable items IMO.
Up here we have a really strong fleet of classic 6mR´s and some of them does not have more than two planks of wood left from the original, also they have been updated to the latest Classic rule and therefore have aluminum Masts, Kevlar/Carbon sails and the hulls are basically cold laminated and customized to have a better mR number than originally.
Yes from a distance they look classic and also to the eyes of the general public but sometimes only the number on the sails is the only thing that´s original.
Personally I don´t think much of those types of "restorations" which are made solely for getting the (fill your favourite here) competitive.
But then again there is some that are true to their design.
I consider a boat original if the hull at least is original despite rebuilt, new decks (to original design offcourse) are made all the time.. I did one to a wooden 32footer sailboat years ago so to a powerboat if the mold is still around why not, also at the same time reinforcings can be made to the hull easier.
Regarding other pieces like mechanicals and instruments those are bolt ons´ so no problem replacing them IMO with working ones with somewhat resemblance to the originals.
Regardin restamping a hull because a new deck and riggins is done like a few Apaches have got is in my eyes plain wrong, the hull has a HIN and thats it, a hull chassis /whatever is numbered once right..the first time.
And to those that think their parts from a boat is worth anything above normal, well they just have parts from it like you said Tom nothing more, replacable items IMO.
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06-07-2007 | 04:15 AM
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Why not as a reference, phleease lets not be blindsighted here ???
FYI I´ve been competing with sailboats since 1977 (since I was 10), but Will NEVER consider familyboating with a sailboat and never have.
NEVER.
FYI I´ve been competing with sailboats since 1977 (since I was 10), but Will NEVER consider familyboating with a sailboat and never have.
NEVER.
06-07-2007 | 04:51 PM
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Just messing around Mikey... I'm no friend to the blow-boats, but years ago, I had the misfortune of watching my stepfather disassemble a '20s era Star boat only to let it rot to nothing in our back yard along with about 15 other unfinished "projects" (Bueller Thundercraft and a '62 Impala SS for example). Its tragic to watch people waste history like that. The guy should have had his own page on www.carsinbarns.com.
