1967-1968 Aronow's boats
 

Here is the 28' that I mentioned in my post #12 thread Ernest Kanzler.
It is not the twin engines with the drive shaft.
Nor is the single engine.
Hugh Hulman that sent me this picture in 2007 assumed the existence of a 28 'with a couple of Holman & Moody for Aronow which was later sold to a guy - John Mecome,Texas. Unusual for Aronow the race number #11.
I checked the 1967 season and the only race where I do not know the type of boat driven by Aronow is the Miami-Nassau, where he came 11th overall.


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I think I have a picture of one of these boats on my HD. If someone gives me their email address I'll send it to them to post...

wjb21ndtown,here the mine;
[email protected]

Should be in your inbox BT.

:coolcowboy:

wjb21ndtown,sent me this photo of the famous 35' that it put in me the question:
when and if Aronow raced with this boat?

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and I answer to me....in 1966!:eureka::o

THAT is one of the most beautiful raceboats ever! Unfortunately I have only seen two pics of this boat yet. Would give my left arm for a colour pic of that 35.

35FT Donzi Magnum
 

Another black & white pic of Maltese Magnum.I didn`t want your left arm anyway Olli.

From the files.

1965 - Big Bad Donzi,Aronow raced in Hurricane Classic Dec 10th.

1966 - Maltese Magnum,Aronow raced in Sam Griffith Feb 22nd,Gateway Marathon June 6th,Hennesey Long Island July 13th.Jake Trotter raced Miami-Nassau April 25th.

1967 - Dreadnought,Barry Cohen raced Bahamas 500 May 7th.

Same boat I think ,all with 2 x Holman & Moody = 1,000hp

Note in the pic Donzi written above Magnum 35.

No pic of Big Bad Donzi.No limbs offered for this pic!

We now have a list [Thanks to Bud, Mr Vinyl] from Magnum of most of the Magnum Sport, Sedan & Starfires built from day one till 1991. I believe this one was hull #9A, and it was a raceboat sent to Kiekhaefer. Most likely to be set up with this engine & drive combination.. This Sedan just looks way cool for a 60's Mag. :ernaehrung004: It's to bad it ended like this on fire. :eek:

Banana Pic
 

Another banana pic with power info.

Info Extract
 

Just to confirm the White Knight history.

Still cannot justify the second 3 x Merc 110hp version though,as referred to in the extract.

what about this one, v drive 27',

Graham.....Barry bought the boat from Don on the docks after the Long Island race in July of 1966. Barry asked a price...Don gave him one....Barry came up with the money......Don thought for a minute and realized he hadn't asked enough.

Barry realized that he just got a great deal and it was too late, in front of too many people, for it to change. They both laughed and the boat changed hands.

What is the story with this boat??....what is it??

Lucky me. Thanks for the pic!!!

Dreadnought
 

Good to have the confirmation Charlie, whilst having a ripping yarn as a bonus.

Here the "Dreadnought" of Cohen.
Someone considered that Aronow derived directly from this 35' the next Cigarette 32'.
It seems that the colors and the engines hatches are already those .
Curious is the fact that Dreadnought was the name of the British Navy warship that at the beginning of the twentieth century was the archetype of the modern battleships.

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Aronow raced the "Big Bad Donzi" in '66 in a couple of races. He led the Gateway, and broke, with us winning in the "Big Broak Jumper", then around Long Island, where I beat him by 9 feet (after 255 miles) with lhe "Little Broad Jumper".

Big Bad Donzi
 

Those 66 races Brownie were surely under the name Maltese Magnum.I had recorded that Big Bad Donzi was it`s 65 name,and I have only come across one race it did under that name.I stand to be corrected.

Dreadnought
 

I have you know Mr.Marco that the real `Dreadnought`Battleship was built on the slipway,not 5 miles from where I live,so if Barry Cohen ever makes it to the 50th Cowes - Torquay -Cowes in Ghost Rider in August,he could pay a nostalgic visit to that very Dockyard.

1967-68 Aronow's boats list
 

Starting a list to be updated.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6...oats196768.pdf

Ah Graham! You live in the middle of the history of the World Maritime!
You not imagine how I envy you!:cool:

Some gossip about the Dreadnought
 

There is a second option for the name Dreadnought which Cohen gave to 35 '.
Maybe he was referring to the name of Marc Anthony's Roman triremes, defeated at the Battle of Actium of 31 BC .
Curiously, the only time Crouse cites in his Searace the name of Dreadnought is precisely to mention the fact that Attilio Petroni built in his yard Canav a replica of the ship of Marc Anthony,"Dreadnought" who then would be used to shoot some scenes of the famous film-colossal "Cleopatra" in 1963.:rolleyes:

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List Comments
 

1967 Gateway - should read 2 x Mercruiser

1967 VBV - didn`t realize he used the outboard boat?

1967 Round Nassau - see attachment.Info correct for 1968 boat,but see result list.200hp seems a bit small for a 28ft Magnum.

1968 Hennesy NY - see attachments 1 & 2.One minute it`s 28ft then looses a ft in the results sheet.More like a 28ft with 2 engines.

1968 Hennesey Long Beach - see attacment (should read 1968 not 1958).27ft with single engine.

1968 Hurricane Classic - see attachment.What is all this about.A new 27ft Cigarette? or was it a Magnum called `Cigarette`.It`s a Crousey report which he changes to a 28ft Cigarette in the Searace book!

List Comments
 

1967 Gateway - correct Mercruiser not Mercury. I'm taking the defects of journalists? :eek:

1967 VBV - with three Mercury (see pic below).

1967 Round Nassau - I think you put the attachment wrong.
You posted that of the Bahamas 500.

1968 Hennessy NY - Difficult to say. 28' vs. 27' - 2 to 1.

1968 Hennessy Long Beach - Here I make one comment.
Hugh Hulman (I think the current owner of 28 'single engine ex "White Knight") affirm that Aronow in the 1968 Hennessy Long Beach drove the 28' single engine which ran the same race the year before. The only difference is the deck changed with the fwd advanced cockpit.
I don't believe in this theory but I put the photos for comparisons and the opinion of those who wish to occur in the thread.

1968 Hurricane Classic - Unfortunately this race the only report that I have never said wich type of boat ran Aronow.
I hope someone intervenes to help in this thread that is languishing in a duet between me and you.:flag:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3...v67aronow1.jpgVBV 1967

[URL=http://img688.imageshack.us/i/19684maltesecal1a.jpg/]http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7...ltesecal1a.jpg[/URL Pic from Hugh Hulman-Hennessy Long Beach 1968

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4...hsfranc67a.jpg Frame fro 'Run Sunward' 1967.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7...gnum19672a.jpg Long Beach to San Francisco race 1967.

Correction
 

Oops.Not 67 Round Nassau but Bahamas 500.Soon the dementure will set in and you`ll be on your own Marco,to fly the historic flag.
We await the U.S.Cavalry to storm up and sort the remaining unsolved mysteries.How long have you got.

More Confusion
 

Ignoring the `Searace Book of Blind Alleys`,here is another 68 Hurricane report indicating Aronow raced a Magnum as per Martin,who was in Hustler,a 27ft Magnum which was probably Aronow`s 68 race winning boat,and maybe Aronow had a new 27ft? Magnum for the 68 Hurricane Classic.
Also the 68 Miami - Key West indicates Aronow raced a spare 27ft Magnum single engine job after his 17ft (good old crousey) caught fire and sank in the Miami - Nassau race.
This `spare ` 27ft Magnum could have been the boat Martin took over for the Hurricane race,and maybe it was also the Kennerley boat used in the Miami - Nassau.

Answers on an A3 sheet ,and sent to the Home for Bewildered Powerboat Archivists.

Don't you chaps have anything else to do?

Sorry if the sorting of the history of sport annoys you Brownie.

Hoping you would furnish us with information to piece together the history. It would get far more respect.

Unfortunately we can`t all post ripping yarns on the high seas,so a little tolerance and encouragement for those who share the same passion for the sport wouldn`t go amiss.

Any more info on this boat? Looks very cool. Doesn't look 27' looks a little less.

Did it ever get raced?

Of course I also more to do,Brownie.
I work, as many others here I think, up to 12 hours a day and at night when I'm home, after putting to bed my two children, this chap puts him at the computer to chat with other chaps of his beloved sport.
We're talking about very old things. But this is the forum for older people and boats that we love to talk.
We are not off-topic so I think.
With Graham and Nigel could talk about events in Europe but I think you overseas so totally excluded from participating.
Sorry discover that talking about events in your home the memories are foggy most of those surrounding the Nantucket lighthouse in calm winter.;)

More Confusion
 

In these stories the key to everything is, as always, the accuracy of the size of boats.
17'-27 'Crouse is probably an error of writing or printing. Such as when I fell too on my list I wrote Mercury not Mercruiser.
But there seems to be more confusion between 27' and 28 '. And here it is almost never a simple typo errors but superficial in making news.
With Aronow magnifies the problem because being a boat builder and a untiring experimenter is especially difficult to follow the tail of his panther.
His traces are lost in many directions.
In 1967 he built boats and tried every possible solution of motorization, two boats single-engine, a three-engine outboards, a single engine inboard with V-drive, an inboard twin engines and V-drive and a twin inboard engines with stern drives.
Not satisfied he built and drove at least two other boats with different solution on deck (the 'banana' boat and the type Sedan).
In 1968 the story of his boat gets harder aggravated by the fact that both me and you have little information period. Especially lacking photos as we have shown that they are almost always silenced every speech, writing or bad memories.
So it is possible that after selling his 27' to Martin and lost his new 'Sedan' in the Miami-Nassau has then drove at the Hurricane another 27' Martin's sisterboat.
Martin's son has disappeared from the forums could help us ask his father.
It seems that nobody can or wants to help overseas and
we will stay with doubt again.:traurig001:

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Hey, toughen up a little. I do recall that Aronow ran a 28' (full height) twin Mercruiser 28' Magnum in the 1967 Miami Nassau, and the 1967 Around Nassau.

[So it is possible that after selling his 27' to Martin and lost his new 'Sedan' in the Miami-Nassau has then drove at the Hurricane another 27' Martin's sisterboat.]

It looks like one of these Magnums may have made into the 70's as Preston Henn's Steaker, today ?????????

Magnums -67-68
 

Check King of Thunderboat Row
They were all 27s
some great stories about each

Magnum Info
 

Thanks for the info, Brownie.Not sure if `Toughen up` is a stock U.S. phrase,but when banter verges on a condescending remark,you get a reaction.
Anyway let`s hope we can move on and restore some dialogue, for there doesn`t seem to be many out there that can throw light on these historic questions.One problem is that before `Powerboat` magazine started in 1969,not much was recorded both in magazines and on film that survives to this day.Of course Crousey has been invaluable in his writings even though I do rib him a lot over occasional errors.
Both Marco and myself have a lot of questions that need unravelling,and it`s treading the line between unloading how much and boring the pants off people.Between us we are building a pretty detailed history on the boats both in Europe and U.S. which I would hope can be put on to a website for other devotees to refer to.

It is possible that this may be the second 27' of Aronow for 1968.
And why not the former 27' of Martin ?.....:confused:

Brownie.... according to Crouse at the Around Nassau Aronow drove "Andrea III" the Magoon's 28' with three outboards.:confused:
Do you remember which drive unit had that 28' at the Miami-Nassau? Stern drives or v-drive?

Frames from "Run Sunward" 1967

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The 28' single engine V-drive
 

At the 1967 Miami-Nassau race, burned and sank this 28' "Miller Special" of Jake Trotter.
Frames from the video "Run Sunward" show us the stern with two exhausts of a single engine and no stern drive unit.
Colors seem to be a of the 28' fleet used personally by Aronow.
However, it is the fifth version of a 28' (sixth overall) that Aronow built in 1967.

Graham,Sorry if I stole your picture from the section 'Magazines pics' on Boatmad but was to document the fact only.

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This early 27' Magnum Ob sport, that I believe Bob Nordskog owned & raced at one time, looks to be a 60's Magnum.