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orionbbs 01-12-2014 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 4056041)
Check out the dust....one hell of a barn find...keep the pics coming thanks..Tom

Tombone any idea what the red gear looking things are with the yokes? The black outboard deals are the surface drives we believe, the red gear/yoke look to us like some kind of a transmission, there is a Sh*t load of those, and the black surface drives there are 80 we've counted as far as you can see into the container.

shaun

f_inscreenname 01-12-2014 08:50 PM

Now that we are back to normal.
Would love to have 2 of them for the race boat. Maybe we can make a trade. I have this race boat ...

Comanche3Six 01-12-2014 09:00 PM

That Gentry fellow liked the custom gizmos. Wild innovative hardware. Not a Mercury Racing decal in sight.

orionbbs 01-12-2014 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 4056059)
That Gentry fellow liked the custom gizmos. Wild innovative hardware. Not a Mercury Racing decal in sight.

We do on the big blocks :) Looks like Merc Marine all did the ECU's for the FI motors. I've spoken to a guy today who works for Merc and he confirmed they did all of the engine ECU custom work for Tom. I'll get some photos of that tomorrow when we tear down one of the fuel injected/twin turbo big blocks.

shaun

Fenderjack 01-12-2014 09:18 PM

Shaun!!!You need to talk to MELL RIGGS at RIGGS marine in Eldorado Wisconsin(920) 872-2728He used to be in with Merc back in the day. He is a book of knowledge.May be able to shed some light on you find!!.I would be interested in one of those turbo small blocks.JOHN SR

tomtbone1993 01-12-2014 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by orionbbs (Post 4056050)
Tombone any idea what the red gear looking things are with the yokes? The black outboard deals are the surface drives we believe, the red gear/yoke look to us like some kind of a transmission, there is a Sh*t load of those, and the black surface drives there are 80 we've counted as far as you can see into the container.

shaun

Yes those red items appear to be transmissions.

cig92 01-12-2014 09:30 PM

unbelievable find!!!!!!!!!!! that is just incredible. i wish i could see it in person. that stuff is priceless to the right person. would love to see more pics. congrats!

FlyenBrian 01-12-2014 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by orionbbs (Post 4056022)
Can they? Would be great to start fresh here seriously... and maybe an apology for a newbie like myself would be in order too humph I dunno. :) I'm OK without one though.

And I thought vintage car guys were a tough crowd... :)

shaun

They could and it would. In defense of Mike, the guy he is talking about has been an endless pain in all our asses here, and since Mike could not see your FB profile, it really did look like the kind of crap that JIm Darr would start. Sorry about that. You came to the right place in spite of all of that crap. This is the motherload of offshore racing knowledge and when the smart folks start weighing in it will all have been worthwhile.

sutphen 30 01-12-2014 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 4056072)
Yes those red items appear to be transmissions.

they look to be a crash boxes and one w/ a power take off to drive a hydraulic pump.I have one that runs a power steering pump,old race set up,definitely some interesting stuff.

tomtbone1993 01-12-2014 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4056078)
1 looks to be a crash box,definitely some interesting stuff.


I can't even imagine...I would not be able to sleep until I had been through all five containers.. :)

scippy 01-12-2014 09:44 PM

Ofcourse I need 2 SB's and your 3000 miles away!!

TeamSaris 01-12-2014 09:46 PM

Incredible!
Keep the info coming!

Fenderjack 01-12-2014 10:39 PM

They look to be a style of crash box with a power takeoff to run the hydraulic pumps for steering trim ect. JOHN SR

Redman 01-12-2014 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 4056072)
Yes those red items appear to be transmissions.

Daytona crash boxes--or a knock-off?

tomtbone1993 01-12-2014 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by Redman (Post 4056103)
Daytona crash boxes--or a knock-off?


I thought they looked similar to TRS transmissions...I have never been around crash boxes. You guys know better than me.

Velocity Vector 01-13-2014 12:25 AM

You might make more money by charging admission for OSO members to just rummage through the containers and not sell a damn thing.

Roger 1 01-13-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Fenderjack (Post 4056069)
Shaun!!!You need to talk to MELL RIGGS at RIGGS marine in Eldorado Wisconsin(920) 872-2728He used to be in with Merc back in the day. He is a book of knowledge.May be able to shed some light on you find!!.I would be interested in one of those turbo small blocks.JOHN SR

I was about to suggest the same thing when I scrolled down and read this post. I'll bet that Melvin could tell you what you have here.

SS930 01-13-2014 08:28 AM

Holy crap this is an amazing find! I too would love to spend a day crawling around inside those boxes!

With that said, the value of this inventory could be all over the map. Sadly, much of this old stock is antiquated by todays standards. Sure there are plenty of folks that could use this stuff, but my guess is unless you find a true collector or someone looking for historically accurate items, I don't think most of this inventory would bring premium money. Unlike classic cars, there isn't a overwhelmingly strong market for historic items in the boating industry. I agree Carson Brummett would be someone you should definitely talk with, assuming there's a decent amount of turbo gear... which IMO would be the most interesting since Gentry really was a pioneer in marine turbo charging.

With that said, I might be interested in some BBC turbo manifolds, intakes, water cooled turbo housings, etc. if this stuff trickles out in the market place for reasonable money.

BTW, thank you so much for sharing this find! :cool:

Jolley 01-13-2014 08:38 AM

Shaun, Thank you for taking the time to show us all of this!!!!!!!! It is an increasable find. I was in KW when the crash happened, a huge loss that day…………..Those engines would be great in a CanAm car too. Please keep sharing and don’t worry about the doubters. I believe ya’. Please keep posting pics for us not on facebook. Thank you, Bill Jolley

cigboat1 01-13-2014 11:21 AM

Those are crash boxes ---No shifting - in gear until you shut the motors off!!!!! And as Far as Antiquated, Anything that makes 1200 hp is not antiquated by any ones standard!When Gentry was racing the alum. cat he he had 4800 hp on tap divided by four engines = 1200 H.P. each..... Even if the engines don't have the cubic inches the new ones have they still made Gorrila Horse Power....Still they are very exotic even in today's standards , getting the bugs out might be a big task
Its like uncovering Offshore King Tut's Tomb .


Jim

Keith Atlanta 01-13-2014 11:43 AM

Welcome to OSO - To confirm you ARE NOT Jim Darr or Chris Sunkin please present a photo ID, copy of your social security card, documented proof of a boat with at least 1200 horsepower and your offshore boat history resume. You can speed up the OSO pre-qualification process with documented history of a boat that exceeds 100MPH and 1500HP as well as pictures of yourself with either Reggie Fountain or Don Aranow. If none of this is provided we will assume you are Jim Darr or Chris Sunkin untill you've exceeded 1000 posts. Happy boating!



What have we become?!

Heck, Obama had less than that and he's president. We run a tight ship around here! (no pun intended)

glassdave 01-13-2014 02:16 PM

Being a car guy and in the vintage auto restoration biz in a past life i am absolutely fascinated by "car in the barn stories" but being a boat guy this is off the chart cool. I understand if you are not at liberty to divulge but . . . . . how the heck did you come upon something like this?

just way cool and cant wait to see more pics.

on my own here locally i un earthed one of 37 1904 Buicks, found it in a barn a mile from my shop when i went to look at a 36 Chrysler for a customer. Also found one of one Aston Martin Ghia Supersonics behind a Donzi Marine dealer i did work for. It was siting in the weeds like any other old car. Had the car at my shop for over a year before it was sold to its current owner and the gentleman who restored it.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2013...WS01/131029944)

http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1059964

Ryan Beckley 01-13-2014 02:25 PM

AWESOME FIND, Tom Gentry is LEGENDARY in our sport. His equipment was light years ahead of it's time. I would love to have one of the raw turbo housing with his logo on it just for a paper weight....seriously.

Top Banana 01-13-2014 02:41 PM

Shaun.....Sammy James, Richie Powers and John Conners were very involved with Tom Gentry over various periods of his racing.

I am sure that they could go through the containers with you and create an inventory of what is there and also give you an idea of what would be of interest to today's boaters and what is just antique junk.

Great find and thanks for trying to keep the goods from falling into hands that would just toss them out.

14 apache 01-13-2014 02:47 PM

Think the crash boxes with the pto drive were made by Carl Kiekhaefer

Velocity Vector 01-13-2014 03:41 PM

Back to Keith Atlanta post. We also need at least 3 Credit card numbers front and back

flat rate 01-13-2014 05:11 PM

cool find! post more pics!

Tom A. 01-13-2014 06:48 PM

Extremely cool find!

I am interested to see everything that is there. As some have said already there are many items that could be of value both in restorations and new builds. I also agree with that some of it will be antiquated and not worth much. That said, anything with Gentry or the like stamped or printed on it holds a certain value to us boat freaks that would just display it for its cool factor.

Comanche3Six 01-13-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by orionbbs (Post 4056060)
We do on the big blocks :) Looks like Merc Marine all did the ECU's for the FI motors. I've spoken to a guy today who works for Merc and he confirmed they did all of the engine ECU custom work for Tom. I'll get some photos of that tomorrow when we tear down one of the fuel injected/twin turbo big blocks.

shaun

Going from memory here, just a fragment from decades ago. I seem to remember a pic of Gentry's engine tuner in a magazine. Maybe Japanese? Long hair, dialing in Gentrys engine with a hand held meter. Last name might begin with the letter M? Possibly the brain behind the twin turbo hardware? Interested in knowing the development history myself.......That's all I got.

Picture of Chief Engine......I believe that is originally Gentry hardware.

orionbbs 01-13-2014 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Jolley (Post 4056190)
Shaun, Thank you for taking the time to show us all of this!!!!!!!! It is an increasable find. I was in KW when the crash happened, a huge loss that day…………..Those engines would be great in a CanAm car too. Please keep sharing and don’t worry about the doubters. I believe ya’. Please keep posting pics for us not on facebook. Thank you, Bill Jolley

Thanks Jolley, I'll post on here AND Facebook :) My car friends are also very interested in this stuff. Seems like more then a couple have car projects they want to put these motors into. My preference though as someone earlier pointed out is these going to a good and proper home. I know Tom would have wanted someone to have fun with this stuff and it should go into a boat (IMHO) and preferably a vintage one or one which these motors would have gone into originally.

If you've seen any of the stuff I've personally restored (cars), you'll know I spend HUGE effort in 1) doing it right 2) document it 3) doing it period correct. You have to, to be able to run in events like the Monterey Historics which I have with my Impala.

I would *love* for someone to get this stuff who is restoring one of Toms old boats.

shaun

mike tkach 01-13-2014 08:05 PM

OK,here we go,i have asked the mods on this site to check ip address but it has been 2 days and even though i asked for comfirmation i have heard nothing.i have been watching this thread and patiently wating for an answer from the mods and i have come to the conclusion that no answer is coming.mr coleman,i hope you can understand my suspicions but it appears you are for real and being a man of my word i hope you will accept my apoligy.your friend has some of boat racing,s historical equipment from a man who was light years ahead of his time imo.thanks for taking the time to show all of oso this beautyful equipment.

orionbbs 01-13-2014 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4056500)
OK,here we go,i have asked the mods on this site to check ip address but it has been 2 days and even though i asked for comfirmation i have heard nothing.i have been watching this thread and patiently wating for an answer from the mods and i have come to the conclusion that no answer is coming.mr coleman,i hope you can understand my suspicions but it appears you are for real and being a man of my word i hope you will accept my apoligy.your friend has some of boat racing,s historical equipment from a man who was light years ahead of his time imo.thanks for taking the time to show all of oso this beautyful equipment.

Thank you sir and I appreciate that, no worries at all :)

Now lets go discover some cool stuff and help me figure out what the heck all of this is :)

thank guys

shaun

Coolerman 01-13-2014 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4056500)
OK,here we go,i have asked the mods on this site to check ip address but it has been 2 days and even though i asked for comfirmation i have heard nothing.i have been watching this thread and patiently wating for an answer from the mods and i have come to the conclusion that no answer is coming.mr coleman,i hope you can understand my suspicions but it appears you are for real and being a man of my word i hope you will accept my apoligy.your friend has some of boat racing,s historical equipment from a man who was light years ahead of his time imo.thanks for taking the time to show all of oso this beautyful equipment.

Just fyi, unless the person keeps using the same IP address, checking IP addresses doesn't do any good because you can re-generate them pretty easily. That is how darr got around it.

Orionbbs, awesome thread!

502ss 01-13-2014 08:28 PM

Wow!!

So how does the gentry surface drives compare to a kaama? There are many guys out there still running kaamas on vintage 80's formulas and scarabs and even some of us (me) looking to convert to kaamas from TRS's. The parts for kaamas are harder and harder to find but if you can put your hands on a pair of gentrys and maybe another pair for spare parts it might just be an alternative to a kaama setup?

Shawn - can you post some more pictures of the surface drives? Would love to see if they are trimable/steerable?

Awesome find!!

mike tkach 01-13-2014 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 4056512)
Just fyi, unless the person keeps using the same IP address, checking IP addresses doesn't do any good because you can re-generate them pretty easily. That is how darr got around it.

Orionbbs, awesome thread!

darr was busted about 50 times and ip add hung him most of the time.i am no computer expert and i dont need to hide my identity but i guess darr would know,he is a real peice of work!

12meter joe 01-13-2014 08:36 PM

Finally someone found my containers! It's a long and complicated story so if you could just send them to me ill explain later. Thanks.:whistle:

mike tkach 01-13-2014 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 4056512)
Just fyi, unless the person keeps using the same IP address, checking IP addresses doesn't do any good because you can re-generate them pretty easily. That is how darr got around it.

Orionbbs, awesome thread!

now you have me wondering,how does one change his ip address?

12meter joe 01-13-2014 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4056515)
darr was busted about 50 times and ip add hung him most of the time.i am no computer expert and i dont need to hide my identity but i guess darr would know,he is a real peice of work!

Jesus man you really like this darr character! :lolhit: I never got the pleasure of seeing any of his shenanigans.

orionbbs 01-13-2014 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4056515)
darr was busted about 50 times and ip add hung him most of the time.i am no computer expert and i dont need to hide my identity but i guess darr would know,he is a real peice of work!

Ironically Mike, I worked in computer security for the US government for 7 years and I founded several startups doing security products. I might be able to help find the real Darr ;)

shaun

mike tkach 01-13-2014 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by orionbbs (Post 4056523)
Ironically Mike, I worked in computer security for the US government for 7 years and I founded several startups doing security products. I might be able to help find the real Darr ;)

shaun

one thing is for sure,he is still here,he will never go away.


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