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Top Banana 01-16-2015 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by lucky strike (Post 4250358)
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I thought Gazell took a Sutphen hull and made a mold from that and...... then designed a new deck for the Viper.

MidOcean 01-16-2015 08:34 AM

Charlie. I'm pretty sure the Sutphen and the Viper are completely different - especially at the entry. Julio bought the 32 hull mold from New Jersey in 1982. I'm pretty sure that was the Viper hull mold.

Tempest copied a 32' Scorpion.

SkaterMike82 01-16-2015 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by MidOcean (Post 4250630)
Charlie. I'm pretty sure the Sutphen and the Viper are completely different - especially at the entry. Julio bought the 32 hull mold from New Jersey in 1982. I'm pretty sure that was the Viper hull mold.

Tempest copied a 32' Scorpion.

Yes bombero bought the Viper mold from NJ.

lucky strike 01-16-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Top Banana (Post 4250582)
I thought Gazell took a Sutphen hull and made a mold from that and...... then designed a new deck for the Viper.

Yes Charlie, Felix Mummolo built the viper mold in Brick Town NJ from a Sutphen hull Gazell traded Richie for a 62 Corvette.
Added 2 feet & changed the deck. There were 11 Viper hulls built. U needed 10 hulls built to qualify for P class.
I believe when Felix's venture failed he then sold the mold and it became a Tempest.
We raced that Viper the APBA & club races that season in 1980. I bought the Blue GA Sutphen & we would take 2 boats to the races.
If it was rough we used the viper. Better in the rough water. Calm races the Sutphen was 3 mph faster.[ATTACH=CONFIG]535753[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]535754[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]535755[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]535756[/ATTACH]

Doller Bill was the donor
Both boats in my driveway in Bricktown before the Benihana 1980. We won with the Viper that year

MidOcean 01-16-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by lucky strike (Post 4250688)
Yes Charlie, Felix Mummolo built the viper mold in Brick Town NJ from a Sutphen hull Gazell traded Richie for a 62 Corvette.
Added 2 feet & changed the deck. There were 11 Viper hulls built. U needed 10 hulls built to qualify for P class.
I believe when Felix's venture failed he then sold the mold and it became a Tempest.
We raced that Viper the APBA & club races that season in 1980. I bought the Blue GA Sutphen & we would take 2 boats to the races.
If it was rough we used the viper. Better in the rough water. Calm races the Sutphen was 3 mph faster.
Doller Bill was the donor
Both boats in my driveway in Bricktown before the Benihana 1980. We won with the Viper that year

If that's the case then the bow profile was completely changed - for the worse. I know of one death from a Scorpion stuffing. Compana, the late owner of Condor.

lowblue320 01-16-2015 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by MidOcean (Post 4250714)
If that's the case then the bow profile was completely changed - for the worse. I know of one death from a Scorpion stuffing. Compana, the late owner of Condor.

Do you have a picture of this boat?

MidOcean 01-16-2015 05:58 PM

I did... wish I could find it. It's the M-717 boat... NOT the one pictured in PR. It has SSM 2's and small blocks.

guilderoy 01-18-2015 03:45 AM

I'll post pics of mine shortly. Can't seem to do so from my iPad. I have a "new" 37. New meaning never splashed hull. Been working on in for a few years now. Getting ready to paint in a few months. Set up with #3s on boxes. Low profile race hatches and installing tambour door for the cabin entrance . If someone wants to post he pics I can send them to you via email. Can't seem to do it from my apple device. Would love to show all the progress to date.

xxxxxxx1 01-18-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by guilderoy (Post 4251621)
I'll post pics of mine shortly. Can't seem to do so from my iPad. I have a "new" 37. New meaning never splashed hull. Been working on in for a few years now. Getting ready to paint in a few months. Set up with #3s on boxes. Low profile race hatches and installing tambour door for the cabin entrance . If someone wants to post he pics I can send them to you via email. Can't seem to do it from my apple device. Would love to show all the progress to date.

Here are a couple pictures of guilderoys, 37 scorpion! He just sent these to me about a week ago .[ATTACH=CONFIG]535837[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]535838[/ATTACH]

guilderoy 01-18-2015 04:23 PM

Thanks James. I may have access to the rest this evening on a PC. See how it goes


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