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n20michael 03-02-2010 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by rdoactive (Post 3058164)
Got good news and bad news.....
If you've already got the big ugly plugs, it's been rebuilt before. You dont need to buy the plate kit, just remove the plugs.
Now the bad news.....
The reason they get slop is from the gimbal ring wearing out where the steering arm upper swivel pin mounts into it. There's a pretty good chance your gimbal ring is shot. They're pretty expensive ($700?) but someone on the tech section used to post that he could repair them.
There's nothing too complex in rebuilding the whole gimbal on the boat. Buy a drive manual, a hinge pin removal tool, and all the bearings, seals, etc and do it yourself.
If you buy a used assembly, carefully check the gimbal ring upper swivel pin area for any play.

It doesn't sound too incredibly difficult, but, I would still need to pull the motor out? I think that will be the "big ticket item" You are correct on the gimbal ring as well, I spoke to a mechanic last year who mentioned the same thing.

n20michael 03-02-2010 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by fantastixvoyage (Post 3058272)
Michael -

How far are you from the border? We could probably work something out if you were able to bring it across.

I am about 20 mins East of Toronto, a couple of hours from the border at Niagara Falls, and maybe 4 or 5 hours from Windsor, I also have a cottage near Kingston about an hour from the "Peace bridge" in Ganonoque.

What where you thinking? Do you do these kind of repairs? Let me know, and Thanks! for the help!

Michael

rdoactive 03-02-2010 12:39 PM

Nope, no need to pull the motor. The 2 big ugly plugs in the transom assembly allow you to reach the bolt holding the upper swivel pin to the steering arm.
Like I said, get a bravo drive serice manual, it will walk you through the steps. And if you have the 12 point allen type hinge pins, buy the tool from a merc dealer. You might need an impact gun to get those out if your boat has seen salt water.
Oh yeah, and it's a good idea to replace your drive bellows while you have it apart.

Originally Posted by n20michael (Post 3058382)
It doesn't sound too incredibly difficult, but, I would still need to pull the motor out? I think that will be the "big ticket item" You are correct on the gimbal ring as well, I spoke to a mechanic last year who mentioned the same thing.


n20michael 03-02-2010 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by rdoactive (Post 3058430)
Nope, no need to pull the motor. The 2 big ugly plugs in the transom assembly allow you to reach the bolt holding the upper swivel pin to the steering arm.
Like I said, get a bravo drive serice manual, it will walk you through the steps. And if you have the 12 point allen type hinge pins, buy the tool from a merc dealer. You might need an impact gun to get those out if your boat has seen salt water.
Oh yeah, and it's a good idea to replace your drive bellows while you have it apart.

Great, I will look into that. Just curious? If I was to buy a complete Bravo Transom Assembly, could I replace it without pulling the motor? Or do I need the "two ugly plugs" in the bracket to install the "new" transom assembly?

Thanks for the help rdoactive!

Michael

PS: I wish I was closer to St Louis, I would have you do it! LOL

rdoactive 03-02-2010 12:51 PM

If you would replace the whole transom assembly, you would almost have to remove the motor. The back of the motor rests on the inner transom plate.
Now just watch, someone will post they swapped theirs out while hanging the engine in place from the oak tree in their back yard.
Oh yeah, the ring repair, $225 for repair or $700 for a new one.
http://www.jrmarine.com/products/gimbal_repair.htm

n20michael 03-02-2010 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by rdoactive (Post 3058439)
If you would replace the whole transom assembly, you would almost have to remove the motor. The back of the motor rests on the inner transom plate.
Now just watch, someone will post they swapped theirs out while hanging the engine in place from the oak tree in their back yard.
Oh yeah, the ring repair, $225 for repair or $700 for a new one.
http://www.jrmarine.com/products/gimbal_repair.htm

Oh I have NO interest in pulling the motor out, using an Oak tree or otherwise, its a GIANT pain to do, so, thats what I am trying to avoid. Sounds like the repair might be the way to go, any idea where I could get a list of parts needed to completely rebuild the gimble? Does Mercury or anyone else sell a "rebuild kit"? or will I have to track down all the seals, gaskets, shims, etc, seperately?

Thanks for the input! If I can fix this without having to pull the motor it will save me a good chunk of cash, and a good chunk of frustration.

Thanks!
Michael

sikinboat 03-02-2010 03:04 PM

michael it's not terrably complicated where is your boat at i live at the lake and am a marine mechanic have been doing it for 14 years if the boat is down here or you can bring it down here i could do it for you or help and show you how to do it i have all the tools that are needed. on the gimbal ring if you are not in a huge hurry and its just worn out at the pin it can be sent to jr marine and be fixed for alot less than a new ring let me know if i can help.

rdoactive 03-02-2010 03:16 PM

Parts list, here's a start. I dont think there's a kit.
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/selec..._nbr=BRAVO+ONE
The manual will have a list of what to replace. It will also list prper adhesives, sealer, lubricants, etc.

n20michael 03-02-2010 04:46 PM

Thanks again guys, this has REALLY been a big help!

Last Year I had a "noise" in the motor and ended up having to have it pulled and the top end rebuilt, a few weeks later the leak started at the transom, been a rough year!

Sikinboat: I have sent you a PM, THANKS! for the offer, thats damn decent of you!

Rdoactive: Appreciate the link, will check it out for sure! and thanks again for all the help, I do appreciate it!

Is there any way to tell if I need a complete "ring" or if I can get away with just fixing the existing one and replacing the swivel pin/seal?

Thanks!
Michael

AO31 03-02-2010 09:17 PM

In my little world, by the time you add up the time to send out the ring to be rebuilt and bellows being replaced I'd think new assembly would yield larger benifits long before the time comes to sell. New assembly = easier, faster, a little more $ but way more better! :drink:


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