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01-10-2014 | 06:50 AM
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You were told by SCAT. I've spoken with them and they claim(it's online in writing that balancers like ATI dampers which happen to be "elastomeric band dampers" and fluidamprs which use silicone (hint hint they own a damper brand, and might be why they are making these claims without evidence). If you look at how a Fluidampr works, you quickly realize this "phenomenon" cannot and does not happen. Ask them to provide proof of this "claim". They cannot. Funny thing is I like SCAT's crankshafts and rods, but I wanted to laugh in the tech guys face when he started in on his verbal diarrhea regarding crankshaft harmonics. Drivers license and a GED, but he's an EXPERT! Sad.
Why wouldn't you want one if you were balancing a motor? Fluidampr doesn't recommend balancing with their viscous style damper in place. Not really sure what's so alarming about that. Fluidampr hasn't has one reported failure of a damper on a high performace motor that's been documented or proven. They have companies whom are offshore and copy their design(poorly), And these may very well be the ones you are speaking of. Fluidampr is a USA produced product located in NY fwiw.
I like both ATI and Fluidampr. I chose Fluidampr for my latest build and have used them on several other applications and have had great results.
Here is what scat blames their broken crankshafts on...http://www.scatcrankshafts.com/scatt...k_the_Nose.pdf
Why wouldn't you want one if you were balancing a motor? Fluidampr doesn't recommend balancing with their viscous style damper in place. Not really sure what's so alarming about that. Fluidampr hasn't has one reported failure of a damper on a high performace motor that's been documented or proven. They have companies whom are offshore and copy their design(poorly), And these may very well be the ones you are speaking of. Fluidampr is a USA produced product located in NY fwiw.
I like both ATI and Fluidampr. I chose Fluidampr for my latest build and have used them on several other applications and have had great results.
Here is what scat blames their broken crankshafts on...http://www.scatcrankshafts.com/scatt...k_the_Nose.pdf
01-10-2014 | 07:44 AM
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Mild thunder- you are right on the money. I can see why this method might throw some guys off, as they are use to elastomeric dampers, but the technology just works. The inertia ring cuts through very high viscosity silicone in a Fluidampr to eliminate torsional vibrations, but their design keeps the ring centered. And a side benefit is that they are good for the life of an engine, or more without rebuild. The notion they break crankshafts is just plain false.
For those of you that wonder why NASCAR doesn't use them.... They use to, and they approached Fluidampr (vibratech) and really wanted the technology, but wanted too much control and $ for the deal. The two sides couldn't agree. This happens every day in the cooperate world, but for some reason engine guys use it to promote the opposite brand and to trash fluidampr. My statement will be, what in the HELL does NASCAR have to do with low rpm marine engines!!!??? Lol. That argument is ignorant.
Here is a chart for anyone interested in different damper technology. Property of ATI: http://www.atiracing.com/products/da...ting/index.htm
Here is the technology behind Fluidampr. Property of Fluidampr Vibratech: http://www.fluidampr.com/what/why-do...e-silicone-56/
After reading you can see that Internet claims of leaking silicone, and inertia rings being out of center are just plain false. The Internet is great,but stocked full of misinformed individuals...
For those of you that wonder why NASCAR doesn't use them.... They use to, and they approached Fluidampr (vibratech) and really wanted the technology, but wanted too much control and $ for the deal. The two sides couldn't agree. This happens every day in the cooperate world, but for some reason engine guys use it to promote the opposite brand and to trash fluidampr. My statement will be, what in the HELL does NASCAR have to do with low rpm marine engines!!!??? Lol. That argument is ignorant.
Here is a chart for anyone interested in different damper technology. Property of ATI: http://www.atiracing.com/products/da...ting/index.htm
Here is the technology behind Fluidampr. Property of Fluidampr Vibratech: http://www.fluidampr.com/what/why-do...e-silicone-56/
After reading you can see that Internet claims of leaking silicone, and inertia rings being out of center are just plain false. The Internet is great,but stocked full of misinformed individuals...
Last edited by Borgie; 01-10-2014 at 10:59 AM.
