Thoughts on doing some 454, 330 upgrades?
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To JBA there is something I always try to remember with a boat engine... Horsepower sells the boat.. TORQUE is what moves it. I tell you what I did with my engines which my not be what you want to do. 454 2 bolt block ARP studs and align-honed . Stock rods with ARP bolts resized them. Had it balanced, I have a cam grinder that worked with Mercury racing years ago to help them develop the engines so he knew exactly what I'm running, now my boat is a barge compared to you guys, 38 ft long with a 13 ft> beam and 15,000 lbs. So I went with a 060 overbore and a 210 tho. dome piston with 781 GM oval port cylinder heads. its about 9.25 cr. .Eldelbrock performer intake a HYD roller cam, Norris steel roller rockers and a marine HEI dist. I wanted **** loads of torque right off idle to about 4800 to 5000 rpms it will probable never see that many R'sI but wouldn't be afraid to spin it 6500. I was not worried about HP I wanted big torque numbers I realize the HP will come with the torque. Bottom line is decide what you want to do, have a boat that runs wfo all the time and have a hell of a time at the dock because it wont idle for crap or something you can do just about anything you want to just maybe not as fast as you could go if you had a different camshaft and cylinder heads. I admit my heads have a lot of bowl work and are port matched and SS valves but they are long way from a race head. You can get a good running boat just look around find out what you want to do and stick with your plan you have a foundation with what you have but for 1500 a engine will be tuff but I support you all the way. IT gets very expensive to change direction in the middle of a build. I was IHRA national record holder 1/4 and 1/8 mile in 85 and 86.. A/Gas ...468 bbc gm square port heads two 4500 on a tunnel ram 8.51 164 MPH would I put that engine in a boat ....HELL NO. I run a Top Alcohol Funnycar now and would I put that engine in a Boat.......Yeah just to be stupid, I have gotten older 53 and slowed down a lot but this is just my opinion that's all.
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To JBA there is something I always try to remember with a boat engine... Horsepower sells the boat.. TORQUE is what moves it. I tell you what I did with my engines which my not be what you want to do. 454 2 bolt block ARP studs and align-honed . Stock rods with ARP bolts resized them. Had it balanced, I have a cam grinder that worked with Mercury racing years ago to help them develop the engines so he knew exactly what I'm running, now my boat is a barge compared to you guys, 38 ft long with a 13 ft> beam and 15,000 lbs. So I went with a 060 overbore and a 210 tho. dome piston with 781 GM oval port cylinder heads. its about 9.25 cr. .Eldelbrock performer intake a HYD roller cam, Norris steel roller rockers and a marine HEI dist. I wanted **** loads of torque right off idle to about 4800 to 5000 rpms it will probable never see that many R'sI but wouldn't be afraid to spin it 6500. I was not worried about HP I wanted big torque numbers I realize the HP will come with the torque. Bottom line is decide what you want to do, have a boat that runs wfo all the time and have a hell of a time at the dock because it wont idle for crap or something you can do just about anything you want to just maybe not as fast as you could go if you had a different camshaft and cylinder heads. I admit my heads have a lot of bowl work and are port matched and SS valves but they are long way from a race head. You can get a good running boat just look around find out what you want to do and stick with your plan you have a foundation with what you have but for 1500 a engine will be tuff but I support you all the way. IT gets very expensive to change direction in the middle of a build. I was IHRA national record holder 1/4 and 1/8 mile in 85 and 86.. A/Gas ...468 bbc gm square port heads two 4500 on a tunnel ram 8.51 164 MPH would I put that engine in a boat ....HELL NO. I run a Top Alcohol Funnycar now and would I put that engine in a Boat.......Yeah just to be stupid, I have gotten older 53 and slowed down a lot but this is just my opinion that's all.
My engine is original to the boat, I am second owner of my 1987' IMP Eleganze 255
Now here's my setup as follows
Original 2 bolt Main Block (stock was 330)
ARP everything.
Steel crank
Stock rods
Forged Pistons (wiseco/TRW) can't remember 10.5:1
Port match good Oval Port Heads reworked everywhere matched to Team G Intake
Solid Roller Lifter cam .693 .695 on a 104 LSA
Heads have comp cams stud girdles as well for valve train support
KrausMotorSports (me...lol) reworked 850 Holley idles great at 850-1000 and docking.
Also still running stock thunder bolt Mercruiser ignition. With 6cyl box
And huge 4.5" dry exhaust Stellings.
****now I am just freshening this setup for next season and I am looking @ around 2k for total rebuild in parts. Bearings seals, heads checked, line hone, crank cut and polished etc....
But I am only giving an example for Jamie. This is probably a MAXED setup of what the stock 330 could be? I have spun this to 6500 a few times and put me in the really low 70's. 23.5 pitch and 6500lb bucket of resin. I haven't dynoed but will this summer. My guess is maybe 500hp?? Maybe! Id love the power from my old 540ci but that's another story.
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I would love to have a 632 or a Sonny Leonard 1008 CID screaming under my deck but Cubic inches=Cubic Dollars , there is no Replacement for Displacement , also something I wanted to add. You will hear alot about boat engines are hard on exhaust valves, I dont feel they are any worse than a race engine , most of the time when something has happened to a exhaust valve it was because the engine was lean, making sure your fuel curve is correct is a must !! A 7.4 330 HP is not a bad place to start, especially on a budget. ....Grasshopper Boat safe and remember to pull back throttle when boat leaves water.......GO BOOM.......nuf said..
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What a bunch of diks! lol J/K
I'll throw some ideas at ya. Bolt on a pair of 96+ Vortec style heads. This will bump your compression up from 7.9 to 9:1 with the smaller chambers. Get yourself some takeout cams from a 454/502MAG MPI engine, the roller cams. These can be found cheap, and usually guys have good used GM lifters to go with them and a gen vi timing set. Ditch the stock iron intake manifold for an edelbrock performer oval port. Keep the stock carb, it will be fine.
You'll see a noticeable improvement, and it will sound tougher. Bumping the compression, and going to a roller cam, is a nice upgrade. It doesn't have to be an exotic build. Even if you find the vortec heads from a 96-00 454 Truck engine, they should have Inconel valves in them already.
Put a package together like that, and I will bet it will run circles around a stock 365HP "MAG", make better torque, idle better, and no need to spin it past 5000. Which the stock 330 crank/rods will be fine there.
I'll throw some ideas at ya. Bolt on a pair of 96+ Vortec style heads. This will bump your compression up from 7.9 to 9:1 with the smaller chambers. Get yourself some takeout cams from a 454/502MAG MPI engine, the roller cams. These can be found cheap, and usually guys have good used GM lifters to go with them and a gen vi timing set. Ditch the stock iron intake manifold for an edelbrock performer oval port. Keep the stock carb, it will be fine.
You'll see a noticeable improvement, and it will sound tougher. Bumping the compression, and going to a roller cam, is a nice upgrade. It doesn't have to be an exotic build. Even if you find the vortec heads from a 96-00 454 Truck engine, they should have Inconel valves in them already.
Put a package together like that, and I will bet it will run circles around a stock 365HP "MAG", make better torque, idle better, and no need to spin it past 5000. Which the stock 330 crank/rods will be fine there.
My engine is an MPI and I had to increase my fuel,pressure a bit to get my afr's in line. The only downside for me is the engine does run rich at idle and I have to clean or change the plugs a little more often than normal.
I never run full,throttle as i Don't see the need to beat this thing to death burning 29gph as well. I can cruise at 3,000rpm at 32mph burning 12gph, 3,700rpm Is 40mph burning 20gph so that is my fast cruise speed. Engine runs great 0N 87 octane. It's not a powerhouse but makes great torque right where it's needed! building an engine is all about using the right combo of parts for YOUR needs.... TBF