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dbkski 12-30-2018 01:51 AM

JaniH here's two informative threads about what you are planning to do.

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...30s-roids.html

https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...l-results.html

MILD THUNDER 12-30-2018 10:23 PM

Everyone gets their panties in a bunch over the rectangle ports. Ever see the stock mid range torque numbers on a 500efi, or even a 454 Mag MPI? They make more torque than they do horsepower. Lots of it. the big gains when going to a dart, afr, brodix, etc over the gm rectangles, usually doesnt start happening till the higher rpms. At 6000rpm, the aftermarket heads smoke the 088's. At 3000rpm, not all that different.

What made the peanuts work great in a tow engine, was their small valve. Small valve, small port, small cam, minimal low speed intake reversion. Its the size of the valve that dictates the size of the port. You dont put a 2.3 valve in a 230cc port, and you dont put a 2.06 valve in a 345cc port.

if youre looking for big torque numbers off idle and peak at 1800rpm , like in a tow vehicle or rv, the rectangle might not be the best choice. But if youre ok with big torque from 3000-5000rpm, the gm rectangles will get it done. Those peanut heads were designed for a smooth idling 1800rpm peak torque truck engine . I wouldnt waste any money on modifying them, even though the internet will tell tales of some guy claiming he made 600hp and 700ft lbs with some peanuts ..

mike tkach 12-31-2018 01:22 AM

good information joe but i don,t think the op cares about facts,i believe he has his mind made up.porting the peanut port head is a waste of time&money imo.i hope he posts truthful results on his build.

JaniH 12-31-2018 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4666088)
Everyone gets their panties in a bunch over the rectangle ports. Ever see the stock mid range torque numbers on a 500efi, or even a 454 Mag MPI? They make more torque than they do horsepower. Lots of it. the big gains when going to a dart, afr, brodix, etc over the gm rectangles, usually doesnt start happening till the higher rpms. At 6000rpm, the aftermarket heads smoke the 088's. At 3000rpm, not all that different.

What made the peanuts work great in a tow engine, was their small valve. Small valve, small port, small cam, minimal low speed intake reversion. Its the size of the valve that dictates the size of the port. You dont put a 2.3 valve in a 230cc port, and you dont put a 2.06 valve in a 345cc port.

if youre looking for big torque numbers off idle and peak at 1800rpm , like in a tow vehicle or rv, the rectangle might not be the best choice. But if youre ok with big torque from 3000-5000rpm, the gm rectangles will get it done. Those peanut heads were designed for a smooth idling 1800rpm peak torque truck engine . I wouldnt waste any money on modifying them, even though the internet will tell tales of some guy claiming he made 600hp and 700ft lbs with some peanuts ..

Thanks for advice! My main concern is exactly the torque from idle to 4000rpm, my old stinger 260 is heavy boat for single small displacement bbc. The coast i am boating at has many small islands and 6mph speed limits between short distances. Everybody knows my stinger aint going to be fast even if it had 500hp engine. It sounds that i was too optimistic setting my hp goals 450-500hp, that was just result of my research from the internet and david wizards book. Have done few small blocks before to my old 225 limited, nothing fancy just milld builds like this. i always start flow testing my heads to see how much they support and build the engine around the flow numbers, because i have learned that todays dyno softwares are very accurate. Dynamotion was in 10hp in my last build and engine before that. Peanut port heads are the worst heads for performance bbc thats for sure, but i just want to find out the grunt/fuell mileage they could make at low rpm and maybe even good amount of hp. What comes to the porting that doesent cost me so much and that is the reason i am smashing my head to the wall 😂

JaniH 12-31-2018 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4666092)
good information joe but i don,t think the op cares about facts,i believe he has his mind made up.porting the peanut port head is a waste of time&money imo.i hope he posts truthful results on his build.

Mike, my junk heads hopefully arrives this week and the project begins. You will see the numbers! Flow numbers first and dyno numbers last 😉

JaniH 12-31-2018 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by seaman (Post 4665827)
i had my 330hp 454 built couple years ago and got 430hp at 4700rpm out of it with peanut port heads a small hydraulic roller cam 510 on intake and exhaust with a edlebrock rpm air gap intake and quick fuel 850 carb.the motor was bored .030 over with kb pistons with 9.1 comp.

Seaman sounds good! Is your heads worked or stock? What exhaust you used at dyno? Cam duration?

JaniH 12-31-2018 05:01 PM

What would be the max cam overlap with gill/ssm style manifolds and silent choice.

phragle 12-31-2018 05:19 PM

You can easily reach your goals if you use a custom ground Bob Straub cam.

JaniH 12-31-2018 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by JaniH (Post 4666164)
Seaman sounds good! Is your heads worked or stock? What exhaust you used at dyno? Cam duration?


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4666169)
You can easily reach your goals if you use a custom ground Bob Straub cam.

I also think custom is the only way to go, not so many tight lobe and short duration cams available.

MILD THUNDER 12-31-2018 06:35 PM

Find yourself a takeout HP500 roller cam. 222/230 110 LSA .576/.598 lift. A 750 carb. Edelbrock performer intake. That would be my recommendation for this 5100-5200rpm combo with the small heads.


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