38zr comp ?
 

how would a comp run in 4 to 6 footer's " rollars" compaired to a 39 topgun , or any other gofast in that size range ?
thank's
mike

one more question :)
what about the ride between the comp and the zr with a cabin is there a big difrence .
i know that the comp is a full 38 foot where as the zr is 38 with the swimmplatform ?
thank's
mike

The ZR's run very very well compared to others in its class. The new comp is awesome with its new bottom. The ZR and the old comp have basically the same bottom and are both true 38's.

i thought with the swimmplatform on the zr it was a smaller runing surface.
thank's

Thew 38 ZRC is 38ft 3 in length, the 38 ZR is actually 39ft 7 with the platform the ZR is also wider then the ZRC but you asked how she runs in rough, I have drove many of the ZRCs in rough stuff I drove the new hull last year running at over 100 MPH in 2-4s sometimes we had 5ft holes she flew spectacular with no chine or no roll she is one of the most comftorble sit down boats I have ever been in, she dosen't have the high freeboard like a cigarette so she flies straight

Whats up Mike?? You having some second thoughts????:cool-smiley-027:

hey Mike, Happy Holidays! Are you shopping again?

Hands down the ZRC is the best handeling v-bottom i have driven/owned.
In the rough they do handle very well and predictable making for an extrmely secure feeling. We took ours on many trips to catalina island with two adults and two kids in the back, cruising at 75 across the channel all while listening to ipod music over the headsets- now thats comfort.

The comp is a no compromise do what it is supposed to do go fast/race boat. It runs unbelievably well in all conditions and handles like it is on rails. I have limited time in mine but I can tell you there is no other v-bottom I would want to run in a poker run. The boat flies true and straight and does not soar the bow off a roller. I got to run in an '07 with the quad step and 700's and the boat ran 115 all day. I was more impressed when we were carving turns at 95-100 mph and the boat didn't even twitch.
The down side is no cabin and no "social" room like a stand up boat.
If you want the best poker run boat that will smoke just about any other v-bottom with the same power than the Comp is the way to go.

I just read the test of the blue boat with 700s and the new hull and was very impressed. Just curious if anyone has put 1075s or something bigger in the new quad step boat. Was thinking that it should do close to 130. How is it sitting down? I have never driven a sit down boat before. Thanks Mike

if i could get a realistic price with my trade in i would buy one tomorrow :) " hint hint "
brand new 25 hour's 35 baja loaded

Once you sit down you will never want to stand again!!! Hey we got two sit downs!!! I believe 700's are the largest they have out in the new bottom ZRC's so far. Sitting down is so comfortable running hard or at slow speeds. Plus in most sit-downs you have almost to no wind in your face in the front seats.

That is what I kind of figured. What about docking? Can you stand up while you are trying to dock to fend off? Do you know how the canopies do for the rear pasengers on that boat?

I have never been in a comp running around but I would think they dont do much for the people in the back. For docking I usually sit on the arm of the seat so I can see better. If the need comes up that you have to fend off, just jump up and do it.

Docking
 

There is definitly a learning curve when it comes to docking. It is very windy in our neck of the woods, so the first 3 or 4 times that I took ours out, and of course had to dock it, we had 30 to 40 mph winds. It was like playing a strategy game in those conditions, but we never hit anything , or damaged the boat. Or regular summer conditions are 12 to 15 mph winds, and those are childs play at this point. Squatting on your knees, or your feet, is how you will have to start out. If you are lucky enough to have calm conditions, then with time, sitting down will work fine. I would not sit down for my first attempt. We have the red, white, and blue, Comp ZR, that can be seen on the OSO 2007 Chicago Poker Run picture gallery.

Just looked at your boat, very nice looking! What power do you have in it? I figured that sitting down and docking would be tough. It would just be a learning curve. What kind of storage is on the boat? Built in cooler? I have never seen a comp in person, not really the kind of boat the local dealer would stock.

On the comp there are two storage units behind the rear seats, and then two deck hatches that lead to a ton of storage under the deck. Im not sure if there's a built in cooler. I know on the Gladiator under the rear seat in one but i dont think so on the ZRC.

Alright here are some answers, but remember I have limited time in mine so far. Chaos is exactly right on docking and just like any other 38' staggered boat it is nice to have someone on the bow if possible.
Storage is not a problem but there is no built in cooler. There are two big compartments between the rear seat and the engine hatch that accomodate all the lines and bumpers and one of those could be used as a cooler compartment. There are good areas in the gunnels to store small things and with the two large deck hatches you could fit about 50 bales of marijuanna under the deck! :cool-smiley-027:
Just kidding of course.
My comp was built as a race boat so nothing is finished in the bow area except for a center "shelf w/ a raised edge" that would be perfect to strap a cooler to or for luggage. Some other comps have a huge storage compartment built into there w/ an access to the bow and one comp even has a 1/4 cabin built under the deck.
As far as the canopies, they provide excelent wind protection for the front and very good for the back side seats. The center is a wind tunnel except for a few new ones I have seen with a clear wind deflector installed between the canopies.
700's are the most they have put in a quad step so far. I know they built one twin step w/ 1075' and that boat was running over 125.
If I could build a new one right now, I would install a pair of Ron Potter 777 n/a motors and #6's. That would be a bulletproof 120 mph package.:drink:

Have you guys seen any with a cushion hatch vs a fiberglass hatch? I will be in the market for one very soon. But we spend a lot of time rafted off. I don't want to loose any more room for the women to catch some rays:)

Im pretty sure they havnt made one with a cushion hatch. They've all been fiberglass. A couple Gladiators had a padded hatch but very few.

No cushion hatches, however with the flat deck and recessed grabrail you got plenty of room for laying out on blankets up front. The comp with its sit down race bolsters is not a good "social hanging out" layout.

Yea the Gladiator and ZRC were made for the purists that like to run!! Kind of like the saying goes, Sit down, Hold on and Shut up.:D

:evilb: AMEN Brother!:evilb:

Besides the best partying happens AFTER a good hard run. :ernaehrung004:

When we do a big raft up @ NJPPC we get the cruisers and center consoles in the middle and hang and party on them! :ernaehrung004:

Thats right!!! You dont party on a race boat, you run the snot out of it!!:D

Comparing to a 39 Top Gun
 

On an earlier post, the question was asked how a ZRC compares to a 39 Top Gun in 4-6's. At the 2007 Chicago Poker run, we had those exact conditions, with some large holes to make it interesting. You know, the 3 seconds at 80 mph air time stuff. I never saw a Top Gun, except at the dock....LOL!!!!! In the rough, that 39 better have 700's, and at that, I do not think that he will drive around a ZRC with 575's, or 600's. I certainly would not be concerned. From the hole shot, the ZRC will be pretty far in front. The acceleration is crazy. So, on the 4-6's, how long will those "hand grenade" NXT's last? They are not holding up here in Chicago....The Top Gun pilot will have to stand on the 700's for a while to make up the distance. It did not seem to happen that way at the Chicago run.:Whatever:

As far as socializing, and looking Bad AZZ, the 39 Top Gun Rules!!!!! I would buy the ZRC, befriend some one with a 39 Top Gun, and live happily ever after!!!!!!

says it all

I had a dash plaque on my old 22' Classic that said:

Get In, Sit Down
Shut Up, Hold On

Mike, if you're still looking for that boat at the "right price" why don't you give me a call. I'm sure we could tighten up the #'s. Chris.

[QUOTE=organizedchaos;2395915] So, on the 4-6's, how long will those "hand grenade" NXT's last? They are not holding up here in Chicago....QUOTE]

Really? I have not heard of one single NXT detonating but am certainley interested in any factual information you may regarding such an incident...or incidents as your post intimates.

Curious, what type of drives are you running (Bravo's?) and do you really think they are more bullet proof than the NXT?

I'd be really interested in watching a Bravo ZRC run against an NXT 39TG in big water...those "real" props on the NXT make a huge difference.

I agree Omerta, the NXT is an awesome drive and the 700 motor combo is great. I have no doubt the NXT drive will outlast a Bravo drive.
That being said, why don't we see how the boats run personally.
My 625hp 38 Comp Vs. your 39TG 700NXT
Say 1000 Islands in August! We can take a run in the Lake.
Loser buys the beer back on the docks!:ernaehrung004:

I'd do it if you were a bit closer to home (LOTO) how 'bout you trailer yours down to Miami and we can go for a run sooner? BTW I also own a 38ZR w/525's but would really like to see how the ZRC would compare.

(My 38ZR is for sale if anyone's interested...it's listed w/Pier 57)

Omerta, how would you compare you ZR to your 39 Cig??? Honestly. Yea, there have not been many problems with the NXT drive. Alot more reliable than a Bravo!!

They are hard to compare when you consider the price difference; kind of like being asked to compare a Lamborghini to a Corvette. Also difficult because the power and drives are so different; 525 / ITS Bravo to 700Sci / NXT. The Cig is by far the faster, more agile, and better riding boat of the 2, but that doesn't mean the Donzi is bad...just different.

The best example I can give is when my wife went for her first ride in the Cig...Saturday of Labor Day on LOTO...nasty washing machine rough. We crossed a big wake and went airborne; she had white knuckles and was bracing for the impact...when we landed she just stared at me for a bit and now understands why I wanted the Cig. It feels and rides much more solidly (not to mention the "bling" factor)...but at twice the price.

Another is the KW run we did in November...last segement was 90 miles from Islamorada to KW on the outside in 2-3's. I had six people in the boat and we were cruising at 75-85, save for Tom in the Maximus and Ktron in his 700 39TG like mine...nobody went by (the Cats were in a different group). Others could run as fast or faster, but not for the duration. I think that's one of the strong attributes of the Cig with the NXT's.

I'd really like to sea trial a 700 ZRC though...they are bad lookin' mothers and I imagine a much different boat than the ZR. Do you know what they run top end with 700's?

it seems the drives are not failing but if the x dimension is high it seems to take its toll on the gear box. cpc

Thanks! The 700 ZRC will run 115mph.

I can't make it down to Florida with the boat, however I will be on the Islamirada run with my friend Charlie and would gladly bench race at the bar over a couple cocktails.
As for the new 38Zrc w/700's, it is an amazing boat. It tops at 115 but what was more impressive, is the overall way it runs. It accellerates like a demon and handles like it is on rails. Last year @ Islamirada I was with the Typhoon Crew and they brought their new 700 38 Comp. With 5 big guys, a full load of fuel, and 85 degrees the boat still broke 110. Even better was carving turns at 95-100mph and the boat didn't skip a beat.
My favorite part about the comps is the way they fly staight and true. All those things is what sold me on the Comp versus a Gladiator.
I have never been in a 39 Cig but have been in a few 38's and I never liked the way they launched nose high. I'm sure the stagger balances the boat much better.
I love Cigarette's but like you said at double the price I can't swallow that right now. Besides, I like a sit down boat and I am looking for max poker run performance. My package gets me a top speed of 103ish with a 70 - 80 cruising speed. During the Sarasota Run this Fall I had no problem running with the 700 Zr's.
Down the road I would like to have Ron Potter build me a couple 777 n/a motors which should get me to the 115 mark.

The Gladitors fly straight and true as well!! The ZR's are bad ass though with an exceptional hull!! You cant go wrong with the 700 package on either boat.

The NXT's break regularly if you put 6 blade Herrings on them, and then chase my Comp ZR on the big stuff. In my neck of the woods, the "beak" boats break them regularly. Again, it is a 6 blade Herring issue in the big stuff. The transmission will fail for sure!!!!! The Bravos live only because the weight of the boat is low. Bravo's in a cabined 38 of any brand are junk.


As far as comparable performance, my 575 version is a better comparison to a 700 equipped 39 Top Gun, rather than a 700 ZRC. A ZRC with 700's will dust you bad.

I do go to LOTO, and I we can set something up for 2008.

Last but not least, a 45 Maxum w/1075's smokes 'em both!!!!!

Looks like I've got to chart a lake run..... :D
First one to Rochester and back.... :beer:

[QUOTE=Tom A.;2399974]I can't make it down to Florida with the boat, however I will be on the Islamirada run with my friend Charlie and would gladly bench race at the bar over a couple cocktails.
QUOTE]

We're doing Islamorada as well (Thursday); hopefully I'll get to see a ZRC there and catch a ride in one. Regardless we'll see you there...first and last ones on me!