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dreamboater 09-25-2007 06:26 AM

32 Dw
 
Lets see pics of these boats. Any idea what one would cost to rig for a pleasure boat with O/B power?

dan lawrence 09-25-2007 07:13 AM

About 110 for the hull and then it gets rigged and interior.

All said and done $185k for the baddest machine on the water!

dreamboater 09-25-2007 07:29 AM

In every day boating, pleasure, poker runs etc. What is faster? 30 Skater, or 32 DW?

stecz20 09-25-2007 01:30 PM

he did say badest machine on the water.....lol

i had a ton of dw pics i lost them all when my comp crashed...

dan lawrence 09-25-2007 02:18 PM

dw 32 has posted the fastest speeds with outboards.

Wheel's boat hit 122mph

berns29scarab 09-25-2007 02:54 PM

YO PUNK !!! how'd you get back on here finally pay your electric bill....lmfaoooo:hitfan:

Maritime_Eng 09-25-2007 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by dan lawrence (Post 2284216)
dw 32 has posted the fastest speeds with outboards.

Wheel's boat hit 122mph

Is this with twin 2.5's of twin 300's? Impressive Numbers! Anyone have any pictures of the pleasure version?

dreamboater 09-25-2007 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by dgduck13 (Post 2284298)
Is this with twin 2.5's of twin 300's? Impressive Numbers! Anyone have any pictures of the pleasure version?

I am pretty sure those were 2.5 speeds. Regardless, for a 32 foot boat, thats awesome.


What is the dry weight of the hull?

AppSysCons 09-25-2007 08:38 PM

Allot of discussion about which is faster 30 Skater or 32 DW. How about a side by side
comparison, similar set-ups and same power.

I have a brand new 2007 30 Skater (full pleasure boat) with T/300xs, and am willing to
share detailed data about the performance, top end rpm and mph, rpm vs mph at 500 rpm
increments, fuel burn for each increment, and so on.

I would love to do a side by side with mine and a 30 AMT, a 32 DW, and a 30 motion. These 4 represent the best of the best in twin engine, cats, O/B.

Any takers.

Web site www.dkorinc.homestead.com
Office: 941-697-0200

stecz20 09-25-2007 08:44 PM

yeah baby.... it starts....

dreamboater 09-26-2007 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by AppSysCons (Post 2284796)
Allot of discussion about which is faster 30 Skater or 32 DW. How about a side by side
comparison, similar set-ups and same power.

I have a brand new 2007 30 Skater (full pleasure boat) with T/300xs, and am willing to
share detailed data about the performance, top end rpm and mph, rpm vs mph at 500 rpm
increments, fuel burn for each increment, and so on.

I would love to do a side by side with mine and a 30 AMT, a 32 DW, and a 30 motion. These 4 represent the best of the best in twin engine, cats, O/B.

Any takers.

Web site www.dkorinc.homestead.com
Office: 941-697-0200

Thats a great idea. Might be hard to find a 30 AMT with 300xs though. 30 Motion with 300xs runs 105-107 I have heard. 30 Skater is quite a bit larger than a 30 Motion also. I would like to see a 32 DW side by side with a 30 Skater.

AppSysCons 09-26-2007 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by dreamboater (Post 2285403)
Thats a great idea. Might be hard to find a 30 AMT with 300xs though. 30 Motion with 300xs runs 105-107 I have heard. 30 Skater is quite a bit larger than a 30 Motion also. I would like to see a 32 DW side by side with a 30 Skater.

Apples to apples, is the only way to compare them. To much difference in power from 300xs to 300x to 2.5s. A friend of mine Chris F. (OSO Tantrum) in NJ has a 30 AMT, but it is probably 300X. There is also a guy here in SW Florida with a 30 Motion (OSO dgduck13), but it is also probably 300X.

My 30 Skater was sitting near a beautiful 30 Motion earlier this season at Page Racing in Ft Myers, the Skater is much bigger that to Motion. We also had it next to a 28 owned by another friend Jim S. (OSO JIMKID Motorsports), the 30 Skater looks like a giant next to the 28 Skater. When Jim and I were out in my 30, back in April, he said we were crushing water that he would not go out in with his 28. The boat is actually almost 31 feet long, from transom to bow.

AppSysCons 09-26-2007 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by dan lawrence (Post 2284216)
dw 32 has posted the fastest speeds with outboards.

Wheel's boat hit 122mph

Dan,

It was a please speaking with you earlier today. It sounds like you are really enjoying your32DW.

Buddy OO 09-26-2007 07:48 PM

real simple, does the 30 skater with 2.5's or 300's run over 122mph???, one thing to run a top speed, but the DW cleans up in rough water.

dreamboater 09-27-2007 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Buddy OO (Post 2286123)
real simple, does the 30 skater with 2.5's or 300's run over 122mph???, one thing to run a top speed, but the DW cleans up in rough water.

That is a great question. However, the 30 Skater has not been around long enough to really find out. How many 30 Skaters have been built compared to 32 Doug Wrights?

dreamboater 09-27-2007 11:28 AM

What has Ryan's 30 Skater run with 2.5's? Anyone know?

DiamondPerformance 09-27-2007 02:16 PM

30ft Skater with 300xs runs 106-108mph, 32ft Doug Wright with 300xs runs 108-111 mph.

berns29scarab 09-27-2007 02:22 PM

hmmmmmmm lets not forget a 30 Spectre...my 1998 with 2003 300x's (not XS's) ran 107 on a conservative set-up

berns29scarab 09-27-2007 02:31 PM

3 Attachment(s)
hmmmmm

AppSysCons 09-27-2007 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by DiamondPerformance (Post 2287037)
30ft Skater with 300xs runs 106-108mph, 32ft Doug Wright with 300xs runs 108-`11 mph.

As an owner of a 2007 30 Skater with T/300xs, I do not believe the above is an entirely accurate statement. I would very much like to speak with those reporting 106-108 to see what the conditions were (# pob and fuel level). While that is achievable in a very controlled test, (20 gal of fuel in boat, 1 pob) I do not think that represents real-world use and speeds. I would realy like to know what others are seeing in speeds with several pob and enough fuel to actually go somewhere.

I will post detailed data next week in my skater thread, and put a link to it from here.

Web:www.dkorinc.homestead.com
Office:941-697-0200

dreamboater 09-27-2007 04:58 PM

Outboard Cat speeds are always reported with no fuel, and no one on board. A lot of time with motor heights too high for daily use also. Its the only way to put up big numbers without the HP and torque. I have run 115.4 once, but day to day see around 110. I would think your numbers are very similar loosing 6 mph or so for day to day running.

AppSysCons 09-27-2007 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by dreamboater (Post 2287256)
Outboard Cat speeds are always reported with no fuel, and no one on board. A lot of time with motor heights too high for daily use also. Its the only way to put up big numbers without the HP and torque. I have run 115.4 once, but day to day see around 110. I would think your numbers are very similar loosing 6 mph or so for day to day running.

You are exactly right, on both the fuel on board during tests, and the motor height. I could not have said it better myself( I did try in post #21, I guess I was not clear). It is so nice to see that someone else actually understands how tests are done and how to compare speeds as apples to apples.

For the record, in the real world, my boat with fuel and passengers, based on the most recent run (done at TNT earlier this week), is about 4-6mph off the fastest ever for the boat.

DiamondPerformance 09-27-2007 05:55 PM

I was going off Powerboat Mag article about the 30 Skater and talking to Ocean Outboard and Skater. I believe Dan's Doug Wright (LOAN SHARK) runs 110mph. Conditions, weight, set-up, will be differant boat to boat.

AppSysCons 09-27-2007 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by DiamondPerformance (Post 2287341)
I was going off Powerboat Mag article about the 30 Skater and talking to Ocean Outboard and Skater. I believe Dan's Doug Wright (LOAN SHARK) runs 110mph. Conditions, weight, set-up, will be differant boat to boat.

I had a in-depth phone conversation with Dan yesterday, and his 32DW is very, very fast. It is amazing when those us who own these boats start sharing our experiences, we begin to see threads like this one, full of good, real world, information.

Day has allot more O/B cat experience than I have, and I learned some things. I have more professional racing experience than most, and hopefully Dan also benefited from our conversation.

dan lawrence 09-28-2007 08:27 AM

I am a big proponant of the outboard cats. Weight definately makes a big difference.

My boat with 60-80gal of fuel 2 passengers (Robbie at 310lbs) runs 109 in flat calm water 8ft deep on the limiters with 26lbs water presure. In the gulf 18ft deep slight bump 106mph. Each human after that is 1to2mph in the DW which doesnot like any weight forward.


With just me and about 25 gallons I saw 113mph with buzzers going off. 118.25 with my 2.5's and a lid.

Unfortunately guys the 300xs does not turn the r's. In order to get any additional speed custom 36 or more pitch props need to be made.


Brett at BBlades is #1 when it comes to props. He makes mine and sponsored my racing program. My 3 blade wheels are 15"x34" standard lab thickness. You want a prop that will last. I have 100hrs on the pleasure motors now.


My boat weighs 4,670 no fuel with the current set up.


Doug can build a pleasure boat much lighter probably 500lbs and you would have a real screamer. My boat was on the heavy side when it was built so it made it difficult to compete with the lighter boats so I converted it to pleasure.

The DW32 is just a incredible boat. You have all seen them run on the race course but I should have video of my boat in a poker run in 4ft seas soon and will try to post it in this section. The boat really shines in the rough.


But the best part for all of these boats is that you can run and have a great time on 50-70gal of fuel!

Diamond perf is correct many fators come into play for the big top number. I feel that more speed is in all these boats but they are pleasure boats. We spent alot more time on the boat set up when we raced it.


Additionally, when merc makes this motor in a 15" more speed will result!

dreamboater 09-28-2007 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by dan lawrence (Post 2287937)
I am a big proponant of the outboard cats. Weight definately makes a big difference.

My boat with 60-80gal of fuel 2 passengers (Robbie at 310lbs) runs 109 in flat calm water 8ft deep on the limiters with 26lbs water presure. In the gulf 18ft deep slight bump 106mph. Each human after that is 1to2mph in the DW which doesnot like any weight forward.


With just me and about 25 gallons I saw 113mph with buzzers going off. 118.25 with my 2.5's and a lid.

Unfortunately guys the 300xs does not turn the r's. In order to get any additional speed custom 36 or more pitch props need to be made.


Brett at BBlades is #1 when it comes to props. He makes mine and sponsored my racing program. My 3 blade wheels are 15"x34" standard lab thickness. You want a prop that will last. I have 100hrs on the pleasure motors now.


My boat weighs 4,670 no fuel with the current set up.


Doug can build a pleasure boat much lighter probably 500lbs and you would have a real screamer. My boat was on the heavy side when it was built so it made it difficult to compete with the lighter boats so I converted it to pleasure.

The DW32 is just a incredible boat. You have all seen them run on the race course but I should have video of my boat in a poker run in 4ft seas soon and will try to post it in this section. The boat really shines in the rough.


But the best part for all of these boats is that you can run and have a great time on 50-70gal of fuel!

Diamond perf is correct many fators come into play for the big top number. I feel that more speed is in all these boats but they are pleasure boats. We spent alot more time on the boat set up when we raced it.


Additionally, when merc makes this motor in a 15" more speed will result!

Thanks a lot for the info. Very informational post over the well my boat went x speed. As far as the 15" mids, I bet Wayne Taylor could make an adapter plate to put his 15" mids on your powerheads, you could run 2.5 lowers if you wanted too. I know he has done it for the 300x's. Are you running the same motor heights with the 300xs motors as you were with your 2.5's? 26psi seems like a lot.

dan lawrence 09-28-2007 11:02 AM

I want to keep the merc warranties which will be voided with any mods.



No aftermarket additions.

AppSysCons 09-28-2007 03:25 PM

I am posting here, as I had previously said I would share setup and performance info on my 30 Skater; however since this is a DW area, my detalied data and pics are in the Skater forum.

Those interested can see some detailed information about our most recent 'set up' changes, some initial results, and some pics, in the Skater section. This thread details the construction of my boat and the latest info.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...71#post2288471

dreamboater 10-10-2007 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley (Post 2301424)
I've had my boat over 111 and ran out of room on the bay. These big numbers that everyone speaks of 15 plus are not every day things. I've races in EVERYONE of these boats in both race and pleasure set ups. They all have there pros and cons. When I raced the D&E boat we ran it 118+ on several different occasions and I can tell you it's never gone that fast in the 2 years since. Those numbers are ALL about water conditions, DEAD FLAT CALM ZERO WIND and propeller. So much of the numbers are in the prop joe blow doesn't have immediate access to the best propellers to achieve these numbers. My Skater has beat the Berry Cuda twice this season in 1-2 chop at Arkansas and LOTO. The DW beat us good in the two rougher races we had but that is alot of set up time and seat time. We did beat one of the DW in Sarasota and the quote was something along the lines of "I can't believe a 30' Skater is passing us in rough water" There are so many variables here and all of them are great boats in there own right. Just please be careful and have a good time boating.

What is the weight difference between the 30 Skater and the 32 DW? Just curious if there are any other 30 Skater SS boats in the plans. Most of the boats out there now are 32 DW's.

AppSysCons 10-10-2007 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley (Post 2301424)
I've had my boat over 111 and ran out of room on the bay. These big numbers that everyone speaks of 15 plus are not every day things. I've races in EVERYONE of these boats in both race and pleasure set ups. They all have there pros and cons. When I raced the D&E boat we ran it 118+ on several different occasions and I can tell you it's never gone that fast in the 2 years since. Those numbers are ALL about water conditions, DEAD FLAT CALM ZERO WIND and propeller. So much of the numbers are in the prop joe blow doesn't have immediate access to the best propellers to achieve these numbers. My Skater has beat the Berry Cuda twice this season in 1-2 chop at Arkansas and LOTO. The DW beat us good in the two rougher races we had but that is alot of set up time and seat time. We did beat one of the DW in Sarasota and the quote was something along the lines of "I can't believe a 30' Skater is passing us in rough water" There are so many variables here and all of them are great boats in there own right. Just please be careful and have a good time boating.

Just please be careful and have a good time boating.

That is a excellent point. Those of us who have many years of professional racing experience, know just how fast things can happed at speed. Take a tip from the professional drivers, and be careful.

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by dan lawrence (Post 2309890)
Ryan,



Skater makes the finest boat in the world no question. But don't come in our house and mislead. Take it to the general area if you want.


Any time you want to run against my 4,700 lb pleasure boat in any conditions let me know my Doug Wright is ready.

Miami to Bimini and back title for title you pick the day I have a volunteer driver.

Dan

Now thats a race i want a seat in !! PUT ME IN COACH !!

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 01:26 PM

and as far as skater making the finest boat in the world thats a matter of opinion...and we know what opinions are like !! :rolleyes::food-smiley-007::hitfan:

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 01:27 PM

are they a great boat yes...would i buy one no.

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 03:24 PM

I'm unsure how this thread took this sudden turn for the worst. I have had numerous lengthy conversations with Dan about set-ups on my 30 Spectre and everything he told me was DEAD-ON...he has never once boasted to me about being #1 or being the best. He was always informative and helpful and more then happy to dig into his bag of tricks to assist me. Dan and Ryan obviously have a little battle going on between them and it is my personal opinion that dirty laundry and or negativity need not be aired here...theres enuff of that as is. You guys are both professionals and are both aware of the truth...i say leave it at that

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 03:30 PM

NO BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SHOW !!




SPECTRES RULE !! :worthless_without_p

dan lawrence 10-18-2007 03:46 PM

Well said Bernie

I hope that I will need a navigator on that Bimini race.

You in?

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by dan lawrence (Post 2310146)
Well said Bernie

I hope that I will need a navigator on that Bimini race.

You in?

I'M IN FOR A NAVIGATOR ANYTIME ANYWHERE !!

berns29scarab 10-18-2007 04:04 PM

Ryan and Dan...thank you both for your professionalism

bidpro 10-18-2007 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by AppSysCons (Post 2287333)
You are exactly right, on both the fuel on board during tests, and the motor height. I could not have said it better myself( I did try in post #21, I guess I was not clear). It is so nice to see that someone else actually understands how tests are done and how to compare speeds as apples to apples.

For the record, in the real world, my boat with fuel and passengers, based on the most recent run (done at TNT earlier this week), is about 4-6mph off the fastest ever for the boat.

Here is some totally usless information relative to this thread. I used to own a 32 Skater, year 2000, Triple 300x's. It is on Skaters website as the 32 Classic boat.

I ran 122 MPH with it light on fuel, by myself.

Gregg Reichman

dreamboater 10-18-2007 09:32 PM

Wow what happened? I think I asked the question about Ryan's boat just to compare. Didnt mean to stir any crap. Honestly, I didnt see it as Ryan trying to bad mouth DW either. All of the boats mentioned are superb. SS is a good comparison tool for the latest and greatest designs and setups, which is why I was curious about the 30 skater compared to a 32 DW.


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