TIBBC "The Thread" again...
07-07-2011 | 03:36 PM
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It's a wonder everyone hasn't fallen off those 1' wide excuses for docks. Those fingers are scary when you're strait as a judge. Get some cocktails in you and it's just a matter of time. It's also a wonder someone hasn't split their head open on the way down. Definitely not my favorite dock situation.
On a related note, the TI Sun was supposed to have the results of the US vs. Canada boat meeting last weekend, anyone heard anything? Are we going to war or what?
07-08-2011 | 07:10 AM
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Per news up here sounds like the Canadians are sticking to the line that it is their law and application of it will be their choice. AM TV news today is that a politician will be taking to the waters of the St. Lawrence today to fix it.
Could be a good thing if the Canadians confiscate him!
07-08-2011 | 01:38 PM
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Canada vs. USA
Well I decided to make the calls today to both parties .... being customs on both sides .....
Canada .....
The rule of entering any part of Canada by any means of transportation .....
More importantly by boat ..... You MUST check in at the nearest point of land where a vessel can land.
All crew/passengers must stay aboard the vessel while the Captain either goes to the Office/Agent or phone booth provided or call 1-888-226-7277 from a cell phone at your boat on land.
Then follow instructions from answering agent.
Prior to making the call make sure the captain has all identification of crew/passengers in order to provide it to agent.
The agent will give you a check in number ..... keep it in a safe place!
I keep a log with the date and time checking in ...... the check in number ...... who was with me ....... you never know if you are going to be challenged.
This ruling has always been in place ........ just not enforced!
This year ...... it is and will continue to be enforced moving forward.
U.S.A. .......
You MUST check back into US if you checked into Canada!
You MUST use the assigned entry points for checking back into the US. They either have on duty agents or you have to use a Video Phone ..... everyone must be present for the use of the Video Phone with proper ID in hand.
If using agent .... follow thier instructions.
Sidebar ......... if you have as well as ALL crew/passengers a I-68 or Nexxus card you can call from your landing point apon your arrival to the USA from Canada.
Everyone on board MUST have one these in order to use this option ..... example ..... if one person doesn't out of five on board you MUST all go to the assigned entry point!
The number for this is 1-800-827-2851.
What if ?
You are travelling through american waters into canadian and back and don't check in?
You have broken 2 laws ..... illegaly entered Canada and illegally re-entered the US.
These are the laws of the river as of today from both sides in thier language of discription.
It is what it is .......
Jeff
Canada .....
The rule of entering any part of Canada by any means of transportation .....
More importantly by boat ..... You MUST check in at the nearest point of land where a vessel can land.
All crew/passengers must stay aboard the vessel while the Captain either goes to the Office/Agent or phone booth provided or call 1-888-226-7277 from a cell phone at your boat on land.
Then follow instructions from answering agent.
Prior to making the call make sure the captain has all identification of crew/passengers in order to provide it to agent.
The agent will give you a check in number ..... keep it in a safe place!
I keep a log with the date and time checking in ...... the check in number ...... who was with me ....... you never know if you are going to be challenged.
This ruling has always been in place ........ just not enforced!
This year ...... it is and will continue to be enforced moving forward.
U.S.A. .......
You MUST check back into US if you checked into Canada!
You MUST use the assigned entry points for checking back into the US. They either have on duty agents or you have to use a Video Phone ..... everyone must be present for the use of the Video Phone with proper ID in hand.
If using agent .... follow thier instructions.
Sidebar ......... if you have as well as ALL crew/passengers a I-68 or Nexxus card you can call from your landing point apon your arrival to the USA from Canada.
Everyone on board MUST have one these in order to use this option ..... example ..... if one person doesn't out of five on board you MUST all go to the assigned entry point!
The number for this is 1-800-827-2851.
What if ?
You are travelling through american waters into canadian and back and don't check in?
You have broken 2 laws ..... illegaly entered Canada and illegally re-entered the US.
These are the laws of the river as of today from both sides in thier language of discription.
It is what it is .......
Jeff
Last edited by got twins ?; 07-08-2011 at 01:42 PM.
07-08-2011 | 09:21 PM
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Jeff,
Been asking around this week while I have been up here. actually went into the US and Candian offices and called both US State Dept and Canadian embassy. Still trying to get the FULL rules in writing but here is the deal
"only exception, according to the State Department, is for boaters traveling through Canadian waters from one U.S. point to another, and without stopping along the way.
In replying to questions about the issue, the State Department and the Canada Border Services Agency each forwarded a document outlining the Canadian policy, spelling out what sorts of trips do not require reporting.
"In-transit movement must be continuous, uninterrupted and without delays or stop-overs. Such movement could be for reasons of the shortest route, requirement of deep waters, evading obstacles such as bridges, etc.," the document states
So in the multiple people I talked to they said don't stop to drift, swim or fish in Canadian waters without checking in. Also keep the boat in gear and going where you are going if using Candian waters.
Been asking around this week while I have been up here. actually went into the US and Candian offices and called both US State Dept and Canadian embassy. Still trying to get the FULL rules in writing but here is the deal
"only exception, according to the State Department, is for boaters traveling through Canadian waters from one U.S. point to another, and without stopping along the way.
In replying to questions about the issue, the State Department and the Canada Border Services Agency each forwarded a document outlining the Canadian policy, spelling out what sorts of trips do not require reporting.
"In-transit movement must be continuous, uninterrupted and without delays or stop-overs. Such movement could be for reasons of the shortest route, requirement of deep waters, evading obstacles such as bridges, etc.," the document states
So in the multiple people I talked to they said don't stop to drift, swim or fish in Canadian waters without checking in. Also keep the boat in gear and going where you are going if using Candian waters.
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07-08-2011 | 09:31 PM
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It's on the news tonight, results of another meeting today, somewhat relaxed for the fishermen/ fisherpersons?/ to be able to call in by phone. Floaters and other folks of questionable character are still focked.
http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Bre...125217289.html
Guess you need to keep your pole and worms on board.
http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Bre...125217289.html
Guess you need to keep your pole and worms on board.
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07-08-2011 | 09:36 PM
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07-08-2011 | 10:04 PM
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What if ?
You are travelling through american waters into canadian and back and don't check in?
You have broken 2 laws ..... illegaly entered Canada and illegally re-entered the US.
These are the laws of the river as of today from both sides in thier language of discription.
It is what it is .......
Jeff
You are travelling through american waters into canadian and back and don't check in?
You have broken 2 laws ..... illegaly entered Canada and illegally re-entered the US.
These are the laws of the river as of today from both sides in thier language of discription.
It is what it is .......
Jeff
I think you are off on this one.
No offense, but as I understand it so long as you are in transit from one place to the next / other and do not land on the opposite side of the line you are fine.
Start in USA, land in Canada = check in required with Canada customs.
Leave Canada, return to USA = check in required with US customs.
Start in USA, land in Canada, return to USA = check in required on both sides.
Start in USA, transit thru Canadian waters, do not land or anchor or float, return to / end up back in USA = no check in required on either side.
Many years ago we would spent a lot of time on the Canadian Parks Islands, Stovin etc, near Brockville. We were told when we would check in, Canadian customs, that we were free to leave the islands / Canada for day boating trips and return without checking in again so long as we did not land back in the USA. If we did we were required to check in with US customs and then again with Canadian customs before returning to the Canadian islands.
From what I hear and understand the deal right now is no different than 20 + years ago. Maybe they are being more diligent in their enforcement this year but the law has not changed.
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07-08-2011 | 10:42 PM
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enforcement has changed though obviously...
To what end?
Revenue?
Sure as he ll isn't about "security"!
Can't stop when transiting Canadian waters on a blistering day and take a dip off the back of the boat?
Assinine to consider/call that "landing".
you're sailing and the wind dies, sails are flail in that moment you are "drifting" so you have "landed" and need to check in?
next time I'm "drifting" in canadian water with a female- shooting video or not- I'll be sure to "hang" one of those "pocket poles" (the ones for fishin') off the back of the boat and tell them when they arrive that I'm looking to make the "catch of the day"...
that oughta get me "off".
Of couse I'll have a Canadian fishing liscence to cover this base, as you all should consider
sh!t is getting rediculous, absolutely rediculous!
To what end?
Revenue?
Sure as he ll isn't about "security"!
Can't stop when transiting Canadian waters on a blistering day and take a dip off the back of the boat?
Assinine to consider/call that "landing".
you're sailing and the wind dies, sails are flail in that moment you are "drifting" so you have "landed" and need to check in?
next time I'm "drifting" in canadian water with a female- shooting video or not- I'll be sure to "hang" one of those "pocket poles" (the ones for fishin') off the back of the boat and tell them when they arrive that I'm looking to make the "catch of the day"...
that oughta get me "off".
Of couse I'll have a Canadian fishing liscence to cover this base, as you all should consider
sh!t is getting rediculous, absolutely rediculous!
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07-09-2011 | 05:29 AM
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the latest.
http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Bre...125217289.html
still quite grey though...
how can you differentiate without real written customs/immigration language/law a boater who's engine is off to fish, or mine to hang out?
what about the guy who's drifting and unbeknownst drifts over the border?
http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Bre...125217289.html
still quite grey though...
how can you differentiate without real written customs/immigration language/law a boater who's engine is off to fish, or mine to hang out?
what about the guy who's drifting and unbeknownst drifts over the border?
Last edited by Rippem; 07-09-2011 at 05:35 AM.
07-09-2011 | 08:33 AM
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I think you are off on this one.
No offense, but as I understand it so long as you are in transit from one place to the next / other and do not land on the opposite side of the line you are fine.
Start in USA, land in Canada = check in required with Canada customs.
Leave Canada, return to USA = check in required with US customs.
Start in USA, land in Canada, return to USA = check in required on both sides.
Start in USA, transit thru Canadian waters, do not land or anchor or float, return to / end up back in USA = no check in required on either side.
Many years ago we would spent a lot of time on the Canadian Parks Islands, Stovin etc, near Brockville. We were told when we would check in, Canadian customs, that we were free to leave the islands / Canada for day boating trips and return without checking in again so long as we did not land back in the USA. If we did we were required to check in with US customs and then again with Canadian customs before returning to the Canadian islands.
From what I hear and understand the deal right now is no different than 20 + years ago. Maybe they are being more diligent in their enforcement this year but the law has not changed.
No offense, but as I understand it so long as you are in transit from one place to the next / other and do not land on the opposite side of the line you are fine.
Start in USA, land in Canada = check in required with Canada customs.
Leave Canada, return to USA = check in required with US customs.
Start in USA, land in Canada, return to USA = check in required on both sides.
Start in USA, transit thru Canadian waters, do not land or anchor or float, return to / end up back in USA = no check in required on either side.
Many years ago we would spent a lot of time on the Canadian Parks Islands, Stovin etc, near Brockville. We were told when we would check in, Canadian customs, that we were free to leave the islands / Canada for day boating trips and return without checking in again so long as we did not land back in the USA. If we did we were required to check in with US customs and then again with Canadian customs before returning to the Canadian islands.
From what I hear and understand the deal right now is no different than 20 + years ago. Maybe they are being more diligent in their enforcement this year but the law has not changed.
I'm not disagreeing with what "we think is correct" ..... after speaking to the canadian side for approx. 45 mins. yesterday they clearly stated .... "if you enter "Canadian water" .... you must check in" now whether they want to or have the means to enforce it is a whole other issue.
I was under the understanding like yourself(s) you could continue through as long as you didn't stop or "touch ground" via anchor or dock ......
It was pointed out to me in several scenarios that the law has been put in place along time ago just not enforced do to the physical area making it virtually impossible to control ALL boaters.
Call the Canadian Customs number 1-888-226-7277 from Hutchinson's and tell the scenario of your "planned route" and post what they told you to do.
Jeff
