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Originally Posted by MAI0076 (Post 2406098)

This was an earlier posting:
"Still, the weight of a Cig is often 30 percent more, and an Apache 50 percent more than a Fountain, so they can subjectively feel much smoother."

Until 5 minutes ago I thought that was true as well. I wanted to see what the weight differences actually were so I went to their websites and found this:

42' Fountain weighs 11,400 lbs
42' Cigarette weighs 10,800 lbs
42' Apache weighs 11,850 lbs

46' Cigarette weighs 12,800 lbs
47' Fountain weighs 16,500 lbs

Anyone else completely surprised by these numbers? :eek: I know I am.

Good luck with your boat search REDDEATH! I do agree that the narrow 8ft beam of a Cigarette will provide you with a smoother ride than the wider beam boats as well. Although I am in upstate NY now, I grew up at the Jersey shore and still boat there a few times a year. A few years back we had a 33' Baja and we'd run in Barnegat Bay and out of Barnegat inlet and back in Manasquan Inlet...lots of fun but a bigger boat would have been better! The inlets and the seas in the Atlantic can certainly get the best of you. :boat:

Thanks,
Mike

Something does not add up.Navasink Marina(NJ) weighted my friends full cabin 41 Apache(Apache Warrior) with small amount of gas at close to 14000 lbs. R Sutphen claims a weight of 9200 lbs for his 39.(full cabin ) The prior post seem to have the 42 Fountain too eavy and the 41 Apache thousands of lbs too light.

PS how can the 41 Apache only be approx 1000lbs more that a 42 Fountain.Side by side the Apache absolutely dwarfs the Fountain (much more freeboard ,more running surface ect.)The Fountain is the approx size of a Top Gun while the Apache is the size of a Tiger.

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Originally Posted by REDDEATH (Post 2412016)

I believe my 42' Fountain weighs around 10,500#dry.

I agree that the Apache's and Cigarette's dwarf Fountain's side by side, that's why I thought the numbers seemed odd. I'm not sure about the older boats but the numbers I posted came right from each manufacturers website for their current models.

Thanks,
Mike

Figure if the Apache Warrior (supposed to be a heavy Apache,since all were laid up differently ) was close to 14000 lbs then what would a light weight lay up be- 12000?lbs.If a 39 Sutphen is around 9500lbs then i would assume the Fountain would weigh the same since they are about the approx size.How much does a Top Gun weigh?

www.cigaretteracing.com lists the weight of a 38 non-international top-gun at 9,900lbs.

Before Almost Every Race They Weigh The Boats, And Our Fountain Has Never Been Less Than 10,400, But The New Ones With The Cut Down Sides And Back Weigh Around 8,500 - 8,900 Thats How They Can Run Over 110 With 525s. We Needed Super Cat Motors 750hp To Run That Kind Of Speeds. With Big Power ( 1400s )the Fountain Is 30 Mph Faster Than The Race Layup Apache, And The Weights Are About The Same.
Johnny

John is your raceboat a 42 or a 47? The Fountain is basically the same weight as the Apache and power for power 30 mph faster -that REALLY says something for the new hull technology.

Its A 42, And It's Only 3o Mph Faster In Calm Water On The Pad ....
Johnny

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Originally Posted by REDDEATH (Post 2412209)

for comparison.... chucks tripple engine 42 Fountain was lighter than his 38 TG Kevlar flat deck...

I lifted all three (Warrior, Cig and Fountain) the FTN was definitely lighter...

The fountain didn't come into its own until about 75 mph when you started running harder and getting on top of the waves. Under that speed you took a beating... The Cig and the Pach were much more comfortable at cruise speed.

Just my observation...not blowin sunshine...