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shorties on a 2001 35' lightening with 500EFI's
Ive got a friend who recently picked up a 2001 35' lightning with twin 500EFI's
has anyone ever tried 2" shorties? what props did you run, and what gains did you notice? him and i talk 6 hours a day like 17 yr old high school chicks speculating what will happen with our boats if we do this or that, so we really dont need anymore speculation on here, just real deal info.. THANKS! |
him and i talk 6 hours a day like 17 yr old high school chicks speculating what will happen with our boats if we do this or that, so we really dont need anymore speculation on here, just real deal info..
THANKS![/QUOTE] Steve, I'm not sure I would have admitted that in a public forum dude:eek: |
i know it, sad but true! and the truth is starting to hurt!
how is your boat search coming Dave? |
First I would check and make sure he knows the "X" dimension on his boat. Should show on his Reggie Report sheet, if he doesn't have it call Fountain with the serial number and get it.
On mine the "X" is 19", when I talked to Fountain about the shorties I was told to run the -2" Sportmasters I would likely need 6 blade Herings to make it work. I have run 32" 4 blade Bravos, 30" 5 blade Lab finished Precisions I bought from BBlades, and 31" 5 blade Lab finished Hydromotives I bought from Throttle up. I plan to get a set of 32" Merc 5 blade Lab finished Maxes for it this year to see what they will do. I doubt that I could run the shorties without the 6 blades based on the way the boat comes on plane with all the props I've run so far. I think my "X" is close to as high as one can practically go on a side by side 35 twin step Lightning and still have it work well for general boating. |
Still looking... All the emails about the club hitting the water this weekend are killing me:angry-smiley-038:
Still amaze's me I can't find a boat as a cash buyer. A lot of owners are stuck upside down on loans that are only 2-3 years old. I'll keep looking.... |
Originally Posted by Boomer35
(Post 3028184)
Ive got a friend who recently picked up a 2001 35' lightning with twin 500EFI's
has anyone ever tried 2" shorties? what props did you run, and what gains did you notice? him and i talk 6 hours a day like 17 yr old high school chicks speculating what will happen with our boats if we do this or that, so we really dont need anymore speculation on here, just real deal info.. THANKS! It was a clean boat didn't last long. |
i remember the boat, it had the low profile windshield, 2" shorties, blueprinted bottom, and props
were the props 5 blade or 6? |
6 blades.
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does anyone know who bought that fountain?
didnt it also have some motor work done to it? |
See the 'Thanks to EB Marine' thread on page three of Fountain forum for details.
Looks like boats with an 18" or less X-Dim can benefit from shorties. I was planning on adding some to mine before deciding to trade boat. You will need 5 blade props to plane, some need 6 blades with extended hubs. I have a set of Imco -2's for sale. Bought these from KAAMA here on OSO. Just freshened and assembled by Mr. Gadgets with cryo'd gears and Max Machine Worx shafts. Will be listing in Swap section soon. |
Originally Posted by GatorDave
(Post 3028224)
Still amaze's me I can't find a boat as a cash buyer. A lot of owners are stuck upside down on loans that are only 2-3 years old. I'll keep looking....
What are you are looking for? |
I just got this
I just got this from the guy that bought the 35 from Shogren.
I ended up buying it. Tell your buddies that the thing comes out of the hole like #6 drives with the minus 2 shorties. You have to find the sweet spot in the RPM range to get out of the hole…about 4500. I don’t think 5 blades will work at all. Once on plane, the shorties work great. Midrange to top end is awesome. If I lower them an inch, I suspect it will cost me about 3-4 mph, but planing will be easier. |
I think your better off spending the money and time dialing in the right props. When you get to high you make up for it with 5 or 6 blade props and throttling becomes a concern.
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 3028740)
I just got this from the guy that bought the 35 from Shogren.
stock it seems they run 85mph, i believe he has -2" shorties, 6 blade props, bottom work, low profile windshield... did he touch the motors at all? |
Originally Posted by RaggedEdge
(Post 3028724)
What are you are looking for?
I've mostly been looking at 06-07 32 Sunsations. Starting to look harder at 35 Fountains now. I really don't need to go that big but there maybe some better deals in the Fountain market right now. |
Originally Posted by GatorDave
(Post 3028773)
I've mostly been looking at 06-07 32 Sunsations. Starting to look harder at 35 Fountains now. I really don't need to go that big but there maybe some better deals in the Fountain market right now.
Boomer, I don't have all the details, maybe he'll let us know. |
99% in the river. If I spent more time in the ocean I'd be looking for something bigger. For where we run 30-32' is plenty of boat.
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Guy from our lake traded the 35. He claimed he spent 50k on the motors. Ron Sporl made them 675hp. 15k on the first 2 XR's, 8k on low pro, 8k blueprinting, ect.... It ran mid 90's (he claimed 100). With 1/2 inch deeper lowers it would plane easy but he could not loose the 1-2 mph. Everyone here would laugh and joke about his 4500rpm burnouts trying to plane. Usually took minutes to get on plane. It broke a drive about every two weeks from the burnouts.
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any idea what gains you saw from the shorties?
sounds like a beast of a boat by the way |
Hey! I am the original owned of this boat. Yes! we had a lot of days of testing on our lake. People with non stepped Fountain hulls would probably think it was funny until they got there bubble busted and ego lower when we went by them at 80 on our way to 100. After lots of changes we decided to take the boat to bryan at Fountain for the rite set up. The boat was documented at the factory running 100. All high x Fountains cavitate to get on plane including my current boat with #6 drives. It does the same thing and it came from the factory that way. I am sure the man who owes this boat now would be glad to confirm the speeds also I think he would appriciate lose lips to stop attempting to depreciate his major investment.
Yes! the boat would break a drive after 60 or 70 hours of use as any boat with 700 HP plus and XR drives will (that is what spare drives are for). If you want to sacrifice speed you can lower the x the boat was set up for top speed. This will cause slow planing just like a new 35 does but they run 100. When we bought this boat you had to put a lot more $ into a boat than you do today to reach triple digits so we decided to build a boat. Just as we finished the boat the 35 staggered came out. that is a few reasons why we bought the boat we have now. We also have a copy of the sheet were Precision Marine set the motors up if anyone needs proof of the power. By the way I have a remote that went with the boat and would be glad to get it to the new owner Gerald Please contact me at [email protected] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Pm me with your contact info
I'll forward it to him Thanks |
Originally Posted by scarab+
Guy from our lake traded the 35. He claimed he spent 50k on the motors. Ron Sporl made them 675hp. 15k on the first 2 XR's, 8k on low pro, 8k blueprinting, ect.... It ran mid 90's (he claimed 100). With 1/2 inch deeper lowers it would plane easy but he could not loose the 1-2 mph. Everyone here would laugh and joke about his 4500rpm burnouts trying to plane. Usually took minutes to get on plane. It broke a drive about every two weeks from the burnouts.
Originally Posted by gnorthga
Hey! I am the original owned of this boat. Yes! we had a lot of days of testing on our lake. People with non stepped Fountain hulls would probably think it was funny until they got there bubble busted and ego lower when we went by them at 80 on our way to 100. After lots of changes we decided to take the boat to bryan at Fountain for the rite set up. The boat was documented at the factory running 100. All high x Fountains cavitate to get on plane including my current boat with #6 drives. It does the same thing and it came from the factory that way. I am sure the man who owes this boat now would be glad to confirm the speeds also I think he would appriciate lose lips to stop attempting to depreciate his major investment.
Yes! the boat would break a drive after 60 or 70 hours of use as any boat with 700 HP plus and XR drives will (that is what spare drives are for). If you want to sacrifice speed you can lower the x the boat was set up for top speed. This will cause slow planing just like a new 35 does but they run 100. When we bought this boat you had to put a lot more $ into a boat than you do today to reach triple digits so we decided to build a boat. Just as we finished the boat the 35 staggered came out. that is a few reasons why we bought the boat we have now. We also have a copy of the sheet were Precision Marine set the motors up if anyone needs proof of the power. By the way I have a remote that went with the boat and would be glad to get it to the new owner In closing I would like to say the world would be a better place if more people would focus on making changes in there own life and and stay out of everyone else's life Gerald Please contact me at [email protected] So I'm assuming after reading both of these posts that no amends have been made between the two of you. Evidently everyone that hangs out within our circle has to put up with another summer of drama. All that does is prevent everyone from having as much fun as we could if everyone just got along. Let it go guys. We're all adults here. :drink: P.S. Who cares whose boat goes the fastest and costs the most. Our lake isn't big enough to be running much over 80-85 anyways. All that matters is that we all have the means of getting out there and having a good time. I have the slowest boat in the crew, and I have just as much fun if not more than any of you. Let's squash the BS and get ready for the warm weather. :evilb: |
Sorry! I wasn't up at 4 am this morning Lol to respond, but I think we need to cover that stuff on another thread.
Boomer35 ask specific questions about a boat that I personally did extensive testing to achieved a goal. They are only trying to keep from repeating the process I think we need to return this mans thread back to him I will be glad to start a new thread in Fountain so we can all discuss some Chattanooga Drama Stand by :kiss: |
Originally Posted by gnorthga
(Post 3029310)
Sorry! I wasn't up at 4 am this morning Lol to respond, but I think we need to cover that stuff on another thread.
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gnorthga
I am the owner of the 35 boomer was talking about. You are correct I would like to get 4or 5 mph with out going into the motors. Hopeing someone has gone down this road before. Can give me the pro and cons of different props shorties etc. Thank you for your input. You did a hell of a job with that 35 |
Originally Posted by 27Fountain
(Post 3029746)
gnorthga
I am the owner of the 35 boomer was talking about. You are correct I would like to get 4or 5 mph with out going into the motors. Hopeing someone has gone down this road before. Can give me the pro and cons of different props shorties etc. Thank you for your input. You did a hell of a job with that 35 We tried every possible x and prop you can think of on that boat and it is already at over 20 on the x any higher and you will break drives every 20 hours The six blade 32 herrings were by far the best set up on that boat we tried 6 blade 31 and turned more RPM and it slowed down a little The motors are high compression so don't do super chargers I just changed the filters for the fuel and you are more than welcome to the stereo remote if you want it i also think I have a manual crank for the trailer jack if the motor goes out on you |
Gnorthga
Clear your p.m. box. |
I have a 2001 35 lightning with -2 shortie imcos on it. It will work and i do not have that 4500 rpm burnout others are talking about. I have 5 blade maximus that do have some tip cup (the more pictures i look at i believe they are mercury labbed). See special thanks to EB Marine thread for more info on my boat and if you have any questions i will be glad to answere them (just remember i am in the 4 wheeling and shooting rifle mode right know and do not check this sight this time of year a whole lot).
Allen |
Allen your boat is clean as a brand new one. I know it planes easy and hauls azz (108 if I recall on the EB Marine thread). Eric sets them up perfect. If only Gerald could have let Eric touch his (Spend It)35 Fountain it would have broke 100 and plane normal.
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Originally Posted by scarab+
(Post 3031045)
Allen your boat is clean as a brand new one. I know it planes easy and hauls azz (108 if I recall on the EB Marine thread). Eric sets them up perfect. If only Gerald could have let Eric touch his (Spend It)35 Fountain it would have broke 100 and plane normal.
I refuse to get into you and Geralds peeing match but I do think that what Gerald was able to do with his 35 was pretty remarkable for a natural aspirated motors (they do not have the torque of supercharged motors). I do hate to hear that there is problems with the powerboating community in Chatt. and hope that you all get it worked out and have some more awsome poker runs. Allen |
Originally Posted by 29scarab10
(Post 3031032)
I have a 2001 35 lightning with -2 shortie imcos on it. It will work and i do not have that 4500 rpm burnout others are talking about.
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I can get my 42 on plane with one motor at 2800rpm...is this bad?
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Originally Posted by gofastlvr
(Post 3031328)
what's wrong with 4500 rpm "burnouts"? I have to do it so why should everybody else:drink:
Allen |
Originally Posted by 29scarab10
(Post 3031133)
Thanks for the compliments on my boat. Yes Eric does have a lot of knowledge about boats and how to make them go fast.
I refuse to get into you and Geralds peeing match but I do think that what Gerald was able to do with his 35 was pretty remarkable for a natural aspirated motors (they do not have the torque of supercharged motors). I do hate to hear that there is problems with the powerboating community in Chatt. and hope that you all get it worked out and have some more awsome poker runs. Allen |
Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
(Post 3030589)
Gnorthga
Clear your p.m. box. |
Originally Posted by 27Fountain
(Post 3029746)
gnorthga
I am the owner of the 35 boomer was talking about. You are correct I would like to get 4or 5 mph with out going into the motors. Hopeing someone has gone down this road before. Can give me the pro and cons of different props shorties etc. Thank you for your input. You did a hell of a job with that 35 Why not ask Gator One to help you solve your mystery? He did have a 35 Fountain with 575s that ran over 100mph at the factory. Then his dad told him he would never be the big dog , so he switched to a cat and proved ol dad wrong. |
Originally Posted by Formulabill
(Post 3033188)
Mr. 27 Fountain,
Why not ask Gator One to help you solve your mystery? He did have a 35 Fountain with 575s that ran over 100mph at the factory. Then his dad told him he would never be the big dog , so he switched to a cat and proved ol dad wrong. The motors in this boat are naturaly aspirated. 575 are blower motors they can be boosted up to almost 800 HP with new pulleys and reprogramming I set this boat up for 93 to 102 depending on the water conditions with prop changes We put 70 hours on this boat last year and went to 4 poker runs and never broke and that was my goal with this boat |
Originally Posted by gnorthga
(Post 3033260)
I set this boat up for 93 to 102 depending on the water conditions with prop changes
What did you find were the best props, all around use and also for top end? |
Originally Posted by RaggedEdge
(Post 3033275)
What did you find were the best props, all around use and also for top end?
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Originally Posted by gnorthga
(Post 3034056)
Hering 6 blade 32x16 with long tube the boat handle best kept nose up and ran by far the fastest and would get on plane they might be 16.5 I would have to look it up to be sure
Questions are a PIA, but ........... what was your original X dimension before the -2" gear cases? And .......... maybe 15" or 15.5" diameter on the props vs the 16", the 16" just seems big for a Bravo set up? The reason I ask is I want to do something different for props for next season and I'm just trying to figure out where to start. Appreciate the info, Thanks! |
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