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RaggedEdge 12-14-2010 08:03 PM

Reggie's Out, Are You?
 
Just wondering how other Fountain owners are viewing the recent events at Fountain Powerboats.
By now most must be aware of the fact that Reggie has left the building.

So the questions here would be ...............

Do you still like your Fountain?

Does Reggie's leaving change how you view your Fountain?

Do you feel you will keep your Fountain?

Do you feel that your Fountain has deminished in value because of Reggie's leaving the company? Possibly increased in value because it is a "real" Fountain? (Just for you Roger! :drink:)

Now the biggie ....... Would you buy another Fountain? Assuming all else remains the same in terms of quality, performance etc, but in Reggie's absence?

Would you buy the new Reggie Boat, if it does come to be, in lieu of the current Fountain?

I have had this conversation with a few friends that are also Fountain owners and was just wonder what others are thinking now.

RaggedEdge 12-14-2010 08:21 PM

I'll start.

I like my Fountain, and though I feel it is unfortunate that Reggie has left, it does not change in any fashion the boat I own now. It's a Fountain! Nuff said.

I'll keep it till my needs/wants change in some manner that I feel I need to move on to the next boat.

I would buy another Fountain from the new owners as long as I see the same qualities that led me to purchase the last two.

The value is something that remains to be seen, could go either way. But I do hope Roger is on to something here.

I would for sure consider a new Reggie Boat, assuming I could afford it.

tomtbone1993 12-14-2010 10:04 PM

I am proud to have owned 3 Reggie built boats....only time will tell on my next purchase. I never buy brand new so it could be awile for me to know for sure what my next purchase could be.

Expensive Date 12-14-2010 10:50 PM

The way I look at it any Fountain built before last week is like an Apache.Intill Reggie starts building again.

blownincome 12-15-2010 05:06 AM

I have owned 3 Fountains And like said above will keep the one I have till my needs change. If I buy another it would only be one built while Reggie was running Fountain!. Building a Fountain without Reggie is like duplicating Water without the H in 2 0 !

MILD THUNDER 12-15-2010 08:05 AM

Sucks to seem him go. However, Cigarettes were great even after Don Aronow, and hustler still a good boat after Fiore left.

But, I think my Reggie built boat just went up 10% in value!

GRH 12-15-2010 08:14 AM

Its not like Reggie was building the boats.... as long as the new owners follow the same construction process Reggie leaving changes nothing.... however moving forward.... will the new owners be as proactive as Reggie was to change? I doubt it... What made Fountain was Reggie was proactive not reactive to the market.... he has vision where many other builders wear bifocals! Can;t wait to see what he's up to next....

PARADISE ISLAND 12-15-2010 08:21 AM

I'll stick with Fountain fast safe hull!

thirdchildhood 12-15-2010 08:22 AM

The price has to be kept down. Fountain's are no longer viewed as a premium brand. I liked the idea of Reggie starting a company to fix up and repower existing Fountain's. Might make more sense in today's economy.

SS930 12-15-2010 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3274986)
The price has to be kept down. Fountain's are no longer viewed as a premium brand.

Agreed, at least refering to the current "Fountains". If he goes and starts something new, that may not be the case.



I liked the idea of Reggie starting a company to fix up and repower existing Fountain's. Might make more sense in today's economy.
Not a bad idea in today's environment, but I kind of view that as below Reggie and certainly under utilizing his talent.

Wildman_grafix 12-15-2010 09:09 AM

I don't see it as changing my current one. I like the idea that my value just jumped 10%:drink:

I never buy new so it would be a long time before I would even be in the market for a NON Reggie Fountain or a new "Reggie" boat.

That lets me to be able to wait and see what happens.

Roger 12-15-2010 09:33 AM

RaggedEdge, I for one will keep my Fountains until time to replace. Right now I am happy with what I have. If Reggie is building new boats I would check them out. Thanks for the plugs.

GRH 12-15-2010 11:06 AM

Why does anyone think the value of thier Reggie Built boat went up in value? Is the new Company going to honor some kind of warranty that Reggie promised? IMO the market value is unchanged....

Wildman_grafix 12-15-2010 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by GORT (Post 3275167)
Why does anyone think the value of thier Reggie Built boat went up in value? Is the new Company going to honor some kind of warranty that Reggie promised? IMO the market value is unchanged....

It's meant as a joke.:crazy:

Beak Boater 12-15-2010 02:35 PM

I think I will buy a Forumla after reading Matt Tulio's post in the general forum.

"Another example? In 1996, Formula swapped out its conventional V-bottom hulls for stepped hulls across its sport boat line. The people there, most notably chief executive officer Scott Porter and designer John Adams, didn’t go to all that big-buck design and tooling trouble out of boredom. They did it to compete with Fountain.

Formula had a more luxurious product than Fountain. Formula had a better-built product—and I can just feel the love that will be coming my way from the Fountain faithful—than Fountain. But Formula wanted a faster product, and the people at the company were hearing that their product was, foot for foot with the same power, not as fast as a Fountain. And they believed they needed to step things up, so to speak, to compete."

and then again......maybe not.
I will keep my less luxurious, inferior built, Fountain!!!:evilb::drink::evilb:

monstaaa 12-15-2010 04:14 PM

we wil have to see whats happens being that those in command do not have the same passion and philosophies as does the king.... as stated above cig did well,, but in this case reggie is still alive and if he does decide to regroup and come to a new term or line my bet is it will surpass where the brand is now. today, not the last 25 years. proof, the fiores. undieing passion will almost always prevail over black and white, politicaly correct stand points in a lucritive,niche, spotty , flucuating industry like the performance boat market.

bcfountain 12-15-2010 08:09 PM

i think the value of the boats will stay the same.i also think that the new owners are not going to let the fountain lengend and history slip away from them by building cheap/crappy boats and cuttin cornors,if their smart.maybe reggie will get bach into racing or do some kind of consualing,after all,racing is really his thing

Tax Free 12-15-2010 10:04 PM

Spying here for a long time while deployed and nothing else to read……. Fresh owner of a 98 35 Lightning from this past summer after returning home. ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT (after a Scarab 22 w/502), considered the 32 for two years until ready these forums. I am so glad that I went with the 35, which of course less than a year looking…..to a 38 within the next two or so years!!! I would not pass up the 35 for anything, knowing what I know now. Happy Hunting!!!!

10x 12-15-2010 11:45 PM

I guess that mine is more of a legend now, and will still run the same #'s that it did in 1989. LOL :drink:

TeamShogren.com 12-16-2010 11:50 AM

Interesting comments
 
Very interesting comments.

www.teamshogren.com

Interceptor 12-16-2010 12:02 PM

I'd be less concerned about Reggie leaving and more concerned about Donzi and Fountain being built by the same company. To many boats in a similar market.

Pat Ousborne 12-16-2010 01:15 PM

They will need to stay within the Fountain branding so it continues to have value to potential owners. Maybe they will do even better. The competition has thinned over the years as well. Not so many companys stick their neck out for the pure performance market as they once did . Even Formula has become more a cruiser manufacturer than performance these days. We will see?

US1 Fountain 12-16-2010 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by GORT (Post 3275167)
Why does anyone think the value of thier Reggie Built boat went up in value? Is the new Company going to honor some kind of warranty that Reggie promised? IMO the market value is unchanged....


How many on here's boat still is under warrenty?

bcfountain 12-16-2010 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Team Shogren (Post 3276155)
Very interesting comments.

www.teamshogren.com

reggie is a interesting guy.

VetteLT193 12-16-2010 03:17 PM

I always saw Fountain as the boat that gets better every year. They were past cutting edge, all the way to bleeding edge of design and setup.

I don't see the new owners continuing on that route... the constant testing, re-designing, etc. of the Fountain bottoms and setup takes a ton of time and energy and I don't see them continuing with it.

So... I believe the brand will be a thing of the past. I am betting that Liberty will keep Donzi alive but just don't see it with Fountain.

I am guessing we'll see "Fountain Performance Boats" or something along those lines real soon. They will be considered the real fountains in the future.

Reggie Fountain 12-16-2010 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by VetteLT193 (Post 3276313)
I always saw Fountain as the boat that gets better every year. They were past cutting edge, all the way to bleeding edge of design and setup.

I don't see the new owners continuing on that route... the constant testing, re-designing, etc. of the Fountain bottoms and setup takes a ton of time and energy and I don't see them continuing with it.

So... I believe the brand will be a thing of the past. I am betting that Liberty will keep Donzi alive but just don't see it with Fountain.

I am guessing we'll see "Fountain Performance Boats" or something along those lines real soon. They will be considered the real fountains in the future.

I like the way you think!

TOMMY HIWAVE 12-16-2010 04:46 PM

the man knows fast boats. i love his boats

ROADHOG 12-16-2010 05:21 PM

Does anyone remember what happened to Harley Davidson years ago when AMF bought them. Couple years later the Davidson's bought the company back and look at them NOW!!!!

RaggedEdge 12-16-2010 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Team Shogren (Post 3276155)
Very interesting comments.

www.teamshogren.com


Agreed, thread is young, will be interesting to see where it goes. Placed it here to see what Fountain owners are thinking, hoping to somewhat miss all the haters.

Goes without saying that your relationship with Fountain and Reggie over the years has been substantial. A little insider info here would spice things up. Will the first 2011 "Reggie" be in the Shogren showroom come spring?

42ish with 1500 HP per side and Mitcher T paint! :drink:

TeamShogren.com 12-16-2010 07:06 PM

????
 
You never know, in time I am sure the truth will come out.

I don't think it's a lay down deal.

Team Shogren

www.teamshogren.com


Originally Posted by RaggedEdge (Post 3276457)
Agreed, thread is young, will be interesting to see where it goes. Placed it here to see what Fountain owners are thinking, hoping to somewhat miss all the haters.

Goes without saying that your relationship with Fountain and Reggie over the years has been substantial. A little insider info here would spice things up. Will the first 2011 "Reggie" be in the Shogren showroom come spring?

42ish with 1500 HP per side and Mitcher T paint! :drink:


Jupiter Sunsation 12-16-2010 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by VetteLT193 (Post 3276313)
I always saw Fountain as the boat that gets better every year. They were past cutting edge, all the way to bleeding edge of design and setup.

I don't see the new owners continuing on that route... the constant testing, re-designing, etc. of the Fountain bottoms and setup takes a ton of time and energy and I don't see them continuing with it.

So... I believe the brand will be a thing of the past. I am betting that Liberty will keep Donzi alive but just don't see it with Fountain.

I am guessing we'll see "Fountain Performance Boats" or something along those lines real soon. They will be considered the real fountains in the future.


Fountain cutting edge? The line-up was unchanged for 10 years! The 42 PR was a new design but they only built a handful. Reggie was instrumental in making them faster, better handling but the boats lacked the "bling" that other manufacturers offer. Fountain remodeled the cabins in 08ish making them look fancier but the boats wouldn't be cutting edge in 2010.

Back4More 12-16-2010 08:51 PM

Boy, I'm reading some nonsense here.
Been doing this since 93...Have seen so much development in Fountains I have a hard time remembering which model got what.

gofastlvr 12-16-2010 09:05 PM

pound for pound, foot for foot, power for power... Fountains will perform better than any other boat on the water!

In The Pink 12-16-2010 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by 10x (Post 3275827)
I guess that mine is more of a legend now, and will still run the same #'s that it did in 1989. LOL :drink:

Mine too! :drink: I'm proud of the Fountain heritage and gloat about Reggie actually driving and testing my boat. When Reggie's boats showed up in the eighties, they were like nothing I have ever seen before. I wish Reggie and the family the best of luck and if he starts a new line, I will for sure be watching for what he comes up with. :boat:

Kelly O 12-16-2010 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3276498)
Fountain cutting edge? The line-up was unchanged for 10 years! The 42 PR was a new design but they only built a handful. Reggie was instrumental in making them faster, better handling but the boats lacked the "bling" that other manufacturers offer. Fountain remodeled the cabins in 08ish making them look fancier but the boats wouldn't be cutting edge in 2010.

May want to look a little closer at the 09's that were built. Not many were, the ones out there earn respect everywhere they show up.

breakitout 12-16-2010 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by gofastlvr (Post 3276601)
pound for pound, foot for foot, power for power... Fountains will perform better than any other boat on the water!

thats the truth!

aquaforce 12-17-2010 08:23 AM

This topic has been posted on other boat sites too. It gets a lot of discussion.

My .00002, "change you know", is that the new owners have a product without the designer and typically where there is a product following/loyalty it goes with the designer. I would expect the following to be: Fountain boat owners/fans will stay with the product for the years Reggie was there and then follow any future efforts that he makes. Kind of like Fountain branded boats VS Fountain built boats.

I would guess the new product Reggie builds would not have any Brunswick stuff in it which coud get interesting too. :grinser010:

bcfountain 12-17-2010 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by breakitout (Post 3276658)
thats the truth!

thats the bottom line,and i think thats where all the bashing starts.

DollaBill 12-17-2010 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by aquaforce (Post 3276780)
This topic has been posted on other boat sites too. It gets a lot of discussion.

My .00002, "change you know", is that the new owners have a product without the designer and typically where there is a product following/loyalty it goes with the designer. I would expect the following to be: Fountain boat owners/fans will stay with the product for the years Reggie was there and then follow any future efforts that he makes. Kind of like Fountain branded boats VS Fountain built boats.

I would guess the new product Reggie builds would not have any Brunswick stuff in it which coud get interesting too. :grinser010:

it will have all mercury product. No question. I'm sure he's been on with Fred since last week

monstaaa 12-17-2010 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3276498)
Fountain cutting edge? The line-up was unchanged for 10 years! The 42 PR was a new design but they only built a handful. Reggie was instrumental in making them faster, better handling but the boats lacked the "bling" that other manufacturers offer. Fountain remodeled the cabins in 08ish making them look fancier but the boats wouldn't be cutting edge in 2010.

as for the bottoms they are truly fore front material. no one can beat em. as for asstetics then maybe they are lacking as for looking like a clown owns them. and this is not to say your boats are the clowns, actually i am impressed with them. very nice. but the fact remains they are the fastest and therefore run the front and continue on the homage as the 911 porshe does. slight changes while holding true to its herritage..

WHAT UP KING,,,,, ALL HALE


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