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Reggie's Out, Are You?
Just wondering how other Fountain owners are viewing the recent events at Fountain Powerboats.
By now most must be aware of the fact that Reggie has left the building. So the questions here would be ............... Do you still like your Fountain? Does Reggie's leaving change how you view your Fountain? Do you feel you will keep your Fountain? Do you feel that your Fountain has deminished in value because of Reggie's leaving the company? Possibly increased in value because it is a "real" Fountain? (Just for you Roger! :drink:) Now the biggie ....... Would you buy another Fountain? Assuming all else remains the same in terms of quality, performance etc, but in Reggie's absence? Would you buy the new Reggie Boat, if it does come to be, in lieu of the current Fountain? I have had this conversation with a few friends that are also Fountain owners and was just wonder what others are thinking now. |
I'll start.
I like my Fountain, and though I feel it is unfortunate that Reggie has left, it does not change in any fashion the boat I own now. It's a Fountain! Nuff said. I'll keep it till my needs/wants change in some manner that I feel I need to move on to the next boat. I would buy another Fountain from the new owners as long as I see the same qualities that led me to purchase the last two. The value is something that remains to be seen, could go either way. But I do hope Roger is on to something here. I would for sure consider a new Reggie Boat, assuming I could afford it. |
I am proud to have owned 3 Reggie built boats....only time will tell on my next purchase. I never buy brand new so it could be awile for me to know for sure what my next purchase could be.
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The way I look at it any Fountain built before last week is like an Apache.Intill Reggie starts building again.
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I have owned 3 Fountains And like said above will keep the one I have till my needs change. If I buy another it would only be one built while Reggie was running Fountain!. Building a Fountain without Reggie is like duplicating Water without the H in 2 0 !
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Sucks to seem him go. However, Cigarettes were great even after Don Aronow, and hustler still a good boat after Fiore left.
But, I think my Reggie built boat just went up 10% in value! |
Its not like Reggie was building the boats.... as long as the new owners follow the same construction process Reggie leaving changes nothing.... however moving forward.... will the new owners be as proactive as Reggie was to change? I doubt it... What made Fountain was Reggie was proactive not reactive to the market.... he has vision where many other builders wear bifocals! Can;t wait to see what he's up to next....
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I'll stick with Fountain fast safe hull!
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The price has to be kept down. Fountain's are no longer viewed as a premium brand. I liked the idea of Reggie starting a company to fix up and repower existing Fountain's. Might make more sense in today's economy.
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 3274986)
The price has to be kept down. Fountain's are no longer viewed as a premium brand.
I liked the idea of Reggie starting a company to fix up and repower existing Fountain's. Might make more sense in today's economy. |
I don't see it as changing my current one. I like the idea that my value just jumped 10%:drink:
I never buy new so it would be a long time before I would even be in the market for a NON Reggie Fountain or a new "Reggie" boat. That lets me to be able to wait and see what happens. |
RaggedEdge, I for one will keep my Fountains until time to replace. Right now I am happy with what I have. If Reggie is building new boats I would check them out. Thanks for the plugs.
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Why does anyone think the value of thier Reggie Built boat went up in value? Is the new Company going to honor some kind of warranty that Reggie promised? IMO the market value is unchanged....
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Originally Posted by GORT
(Post 3275167)
Why does anyone think the value of thier Reggie Built boat went up in value? Is the new Company going to honor some kind of warranty that Reggie promised? IMO the market value is unchanged....
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I think I will buy a Forumla after reading Matt Tulio's post in the general forum.
"Another example? In 1996, Formula swapped out its conventional V-bottom hulls for stepped hulls across its sport boat line. The people there, most notably chief executive officer Scott Porter and designer John Adams, didn’t go to all that big-buck design and tooling trouble out of boredom. They did it to compete with Fountain. Formula had a more luxurious product than Fountain. Formula had a better-built product—and I can just feel the love that will be coming my way from the Fountain faithful—than Fountain. But Formula wanted a faster product, and the people at the company were hearing that their product was, foot for foot with the same power, not as fast as a Fountain. And they believed they needed to step things up, so to speak, to compete." and then again......maybe not. I will keep my less luxurious, inferior built, Fountain!!!:evilb::drink::evilb: |
we wil have to see whats happens being that those in command do not have the same passion and philosophies as does the king.... as stated above cig did well,, but in this case reggie is still alive and if he does decide to regroup and come to a new term or line my bet is it will surpass where the brand is now. today, not the last 25 years. proof, the fiores. undieing passion will almost always prevail over black and white, politicaly correct stand points in a lucritive,niche, spotty , flucuating industry like the performance boat market.
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i think the value of the boats will stay the same.i also think that the new owners are not going to let the fountain lengend and history slip away from them by building cheap/crappy boats and cuttin cornors,if their smart.maybe reggie will get bach into racing or do some kind of consualing,after all,racing is really his thing
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Spying here for a long time while deployed and nothing else to read……. Fresh owner of a 98 35 Lightning from this past summer after returning home. ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT (after a Scarab 22 w/502), considered the 32 for two years until ready these forums. I am so glad that I went with the 35, which of course less than a year looking…..to a 38 within the next two or so years!!! I would not pass up the 35 for anything, knowing what I know now. Happy Hunting!!!!
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I guess that mine is more of a legend now, and will still run the same #'s that it did in 1989. LOL :drink:
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Interesting comments
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I'd be less concerned about Reggie leaving and more concerned about Donzi and Fountain being built by the same company. To many boats in a similar market.
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They will need to stay within the Fountain branding so it continues to have value to potential owners. Maybe they will do even better. The competition has thinned over the years as well. Not so many companys stick their neck out for the pure performance market as they once did . Even Formula has become more a cruiser manufacturer than performance these days. We will see?
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Originally Posted by GORT
(Post 3275167)
Why does anyone think the value of thier Reggie Built boat went up in value? Is the new Company going to honor some kind of warranty that Reggie promised? IMO the market value is unchanged....
How many on here's boat still is under warrenty? |
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I always saw Fountain as the boat that gets better every year. They were past cutting edge, all the way to bleeding edge of design and setup.
I don't see the new owners continuing on that route... the constant testing, re-designing, etc. of the Fountain bottoms and setup takes a ton of time and energy and I don't see them continuing with it. So... I believe the brand will be a thing of the past. I am betting that Liberty will keep Donzi alive but just don't see it with Fountain. I am guessing we'll see "Fountain Performance Boats" or something along those lines real soon. They will be considered the real fountains in the future. |
Originally Posted by VetteLT193
(Post 3276313)
I always saw Fountain as the boat that gets better every year. They were past cutting edge, all the way to bleeding edge of design and setup.
I don't see the new owners continuing on that route... the constant testing, re-designing, etc. of the Fountain bottoms and setup takes a ton of time and energy and I don't see them continuing with it. So... I believe the brand will be a thing of the past. I am betting that Liberty will keep Donzi alive but just don't see it with Fountain. I am guessing we'll see "Fountain Performance Boats" or something along those lines real soon. They will be considered the real fountains in the future. |
the man knows fast boats. i love his boats
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Does anyone remember what happened to Harley Davidson years ago when AMF bought them. Couple years later the Davidson's bought the company back and look at them NOW!!!!
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Agreed, thread is young, will be interesting to see where it goes. Placed it here to see what Fountain owners are thinking, hoping to somewhat miss all the haters. Goes without saying that your relationship with Fountain and Reggie over the years has been substantial. A little insider info here would spice things up. Will the first 2011 "Reggie" be in the Shogren showroom come spring? 42ish with 1500 HP per side and Mitcher T paint! :drink: |
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You never know, in time I am sure the truth will come out.
I don't think it's a lay down deal. Team Shogren www.teamshogren.com
Originally Posted by RaggedEdge
(Post 3276457)
Agreed, thread is young, will be interesting to see where it goes. Placed it here to see what Fountain owners are thinking, hoping to somewhat miss all the haters.
Goes without saying that your relationship with Fountain and Reggie over the years has been substantial. A little insider info here would spice things up. Will the first 2011 "Reggie" be in the Shogren showroom come spring? 42ish with 1500 HP per side and Mitcher T paint! :drink: |
Originally Posted by VetteLT193
(Post 3276313)
I always saw Fountain as the boat that gets better every year. They were past cutting edge, all the way to bleeding edge of design and setup.
I don't see the new owners continuing on that route... the constant testing, re-designing, etc. of the Fountain bottoms and setup takes a ton of time and energy and I don't see them continuing with it. So... I believe the brand will be a thing of the past. I am betting that Liberty will keep Donzi alive but just don't see it with Fountain. I am guessing we'll see "Fountain Performance Boats" or something along those lines real soon. They will be considered the real fountains in the future. Fountain cutting edge? The line-up was unchanged for 10 years! The 42 PR was a new design but they only built a handful. Reggie was instrumental in making them faster, better handling but the boats lacked the "bling" that other manufacturers offer. Fountain remodeled the cabins in 08ish making them look fancier but the boats wouldn't be cutting edge in 2010. |
Boy, I'm reading some nonsense here.
Been doing this since 93...Have seen so much development in Fountains I have a hard time remembering which model got what. |
pound for pound, foot for foot, power for power... Fountains will perform better than any other boat on the water!
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Originally Posted by 10x
(Post 3275827)
I guess that mine is more of a legend now, and will still run the same #'s that it did in 1989. LOL :drink:
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 3276498)
Fountain cutting edge? The line-up was unchanged for 10 years! The 42 PR was a new design but they only built a handful. Reggie was instrumental in making them faster, better handling but the boats lacked the "bling" that other manufacturers offer. Fountain remodeled the cabins in 08ish making them look fancier but the boats wouldn't be cutting edge in 2010.
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Originally Posted by gofastlvr
(Post 3276601)
pound for pound, foot for foot, power for power... Fountains will perform better than any other boat on the water!
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This topic has been posted on other boat sites too. It gets a lot of discussion.
My .00002, "change you know", is that the new owners have a product without the designer and typically where there is a product following/loyalty it goes with the designer. I would expect the following to be: Fountain boat owners/fans will stay with the product for the years Reggie was there and then follow any future efforts that he makes. Kind of like Fountain branded boats VS Fountain built boats. I would guess the new product Reggie builds would not have any Brunswick stuff in it which coud get interesting too. :grinser010: |
Originally Posted by breakitout
(Post 3276658)
thats the truth!
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Originally Posted by aquaforce
(Post 3276780)
This topic has been posted on other boat sites too. It gets a lot of discussion.
My .00002, "change you know", is that the new owners have a product without the designer and typically where there is a product following/loyalty it goes with the designer. I would expect the following to be: Fountain boat owners/fans will stay with the product for the years Reggie was there and then follow any future efforts that he makes. Kind of like Fountain branded boats VS Fountain built boats. I would guess the new product Reggie builds would not have any Brunswick stuff in it which coud get interesting too. :grinser010: |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 3276498)
Fountain cutting edge? The line-up was unchanged for 10 years! The 42 PR was a new design but they only built a handful. Reggie was instrumental in making them faster, better handling but the boats lacked the "bling" that other manufacturers offer. Fountain remodeled the cabins in 08ish making them look fancier but the boats wouldn't be cutting edge in 2010.
WHAT UP KING,,,,, ALL HALE |
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