Congratulations to all involved! I knew the day would come where this boat would fly, trouble free. Looking forward to a run at the 2012 Shootout!

I had the opportunity to tag along on this expedition and I will say I am very impressed with YPM and FPM.

The FPM crew worked non-stop the day we were there, tweaking water pick-ups, pulling lowers, installing spacers - multiple times, loaded and tied the boat down for transport, checked all the lug nuts, I noticed they even swapped out the trailer latch pin for a better one...they must not have liked the bolt and lock nut that was in there before!!! haha.

Eddie was the same, he sat...backwards on the floor of the boat tuning non-stop. How he figured out which cables went to what I have no idea, but he had enough sensors and plugs on each engine that it looked like they were prepped for brain surgery! Even after like 4 back surgeries I still saw him walking around the shop with a SCX lower in his hand at one time helping out the FPM crew.

Pass after pass, tweaking and tweaking, the boat made it's last pass (as dusk) at 122mph...with 4 people in it. This is all while R3, Neon Leon, and myself were watching from the dock yelling for a solo pass from Reggie Sr. without the extra 900lbs of spare meat aboard :evilb:

I think this thread will go down as a part of powerboat history and won't be forgotten, especially the crews that prevailed, and lets not forget about the crew that failed, a few times...and then one more time.

So when do we get the Triple 300's 42 went to YPM Marine and get to compare the overall outcomes? Now there is a little friendly rivalry...right!:angry-smiley-038: We know Eddie won't let that thing leave anything other than perfect. He certainly won't use the same welders as Fountain did for the tailpipe bungs.:lolhit:

won't even be a match...I am on stock XR lowers that look like they are 12' deep, and half the horsepower... The only thing I could pray for is that they don't ever get up on plane! :lolhit:

So you have to say thanks to TC and me for bringing you guys together !!:lolhit:

Once again Dean....you are correct!!!!!! :evilb:

I think Keegan is dropping the 42 Lightning down at YPM this weekend...Im guessing close to 88-90MPH when all said and done!!!:thankyouthankyou:

How did keegans boat do?

We just finished the engines and are starting to put them in today. Should be in the water on Wed or Thursday for tuning.
Eddie

nice job....congrats!!

Great thread... Even better results.. Congrats to all involved :)

Took the boat back down to Eddie on Friday...and picked up Triple 300's 42 up and brought back to MO.

Eddie is going to play with some spacers and do some grinding/whittling on the drive water pickups to see how it affects water pressure/oil temps. We were getting some spikes in oil temps...better safe than sorry. Aside from that, and a few little things we are having him fix...the boat is running awesome. Had several 118mph passes last week with 4 people in the boat...and a over half tank of fuel.

Oh no! Holy crap man...hate to hear this after all you have been through. I had oil temps spiking on my original set of motors - shoot me a pm if you want, and I can tell you what I had/did. Good Luck (and you got trip300 to bum off of in the meantime).

It really wasn't that big of a deal. As they trimmed the drives higher, the water pressure would drop quite a bit. That caused the oil temps to go to about 235-240*. That's not rediculously high, but higher than I would like to see them on a regular basis. More than that, we needed to get to the bottom of the water pressure issue. It would have 30 psi with the drives neutral and under 20 psi when they were trimmed positive.
We also got some 1/2" spacers to try. We put those in and need to go run it. We also removed some needless items in the engine compartment to clean it up. There was an old air pump for mufflers, waste tank plumbing that wasn't being used, etc. Just cleaning it up some by getting rid of the non essentials.
Eddie

Any pictures or video? This is like a blind man looking at a porno!

Eddie, I am a little confused here. Isn't this the same 42' that FPM, installed a single pick-up with a 22"x 10" sea strainer that feeds both engines that they have successfully run on the Kilo boats and also the Cat Killer? Plus they added 2 single pick-ups for the coolers. Usually on this set-up you can cool the drives alone with a drive shower minus the pick-up tube with some plumbing off the housing. If this is the case where they are also using the drive on top of the transom pick-up, I would be separating the drive from the engine, just a thought. That hose that transfers the water from the drive to the fitting is only 5/8" I.D. then of course it's stepped up to 1.250". Does the strainer have a bleed off for air? If not you might be aerating the water from the drives. If you add a drive spacer are you not going to slow the boat down. What was the prop slip on the boat prior to adding a spacer? Maybe Reggie, can jump in here and clarify some of these questions on the cooling system.

Yes the sea strainer & pickup are very similar to the cat killer & kilo boat. And we added 2 additional pickups at eddies request. The boat has 5 water pickups now where the kilo boat only had one & cat killer has 2. There is a bleed off on the sea strainer to allow any air to exit. The boat light on fuel with one person would run 124-125 mph, thats 12.5% slip.

Thank you Reggie, that clarifies allot. There are still allot of other pieces to puzzle.

Mark,
I haven't seen the water pressure issue yet. I'm going off of what the owner is telling me. When at Fountain, I was on the floor tuning so I never got to see the water pressure and oil temps until after we ran. Everything seemed fine at that time, but we didn't make but a few passes. Eric had the chance to run it in 95* weather for an entire day. Only at higher trim levels did he have decreased water pressure and elevated oil temps. Maybe the drives were over trimmed.....I don't know. I'll find out in a few hours when I go run it.

I'm putting the spacer in at Eric's request. I'm sure it will slow the boat a few mph. It will also help it get on plane a little quicker.

Eddie

Eddie, Is his water temp higher also? I am just wondering why, he has spikes in oil temps with a 1.750" pick-up plus the drives feeding also. Its a big question, at what RPMs does it spike and what is the temp before the spike occurs, what does it spike to? I in the past have seen this with some after market thermostat housings with a by-pass confuse the thermostat. Pretty sure your probably not running a thermostat. I know your busy with this so let us know the out come.

Yes, the water temp does come up with the oil temp. Neither are high, just a little higher than I would like to see. Eric was seeing the water pressure go from 30 psi with the drives down to about 18 with the drives trimmed. Not sure of the rpm or speed at which it happened. Again, I haven't driven it yet, so I don't know for sure. I'll find out though.

The water temp only went to about 130 or so and the oil to 235-240. The biggest thing is finding out why the pressure is dropping so much.

Eddie

OK...lots of questions. Bottom line is this. We just spend a fortune (not a small fortune...but a fortune) re-building the motors/re-rigging this boat for the 4th time in less than 5 years. So needless to say I am a little gunshy when things begin to "vary" slightly. I talked with Eddie while these issues were going on and coincidentaly I was driving down to pick up Triple300's boat from Eddie...so we decided it would be better safe than sorry to have him take a look at it.

The boat was never trimmed past neutral...ever. Water pressures were a little lower than what Eddie wanted to see. Oil temps would spike to 240..then would usually come right back down when neg trim was used to tuck drives. We had also paid for spacers and wanted to give them a try. So, instead of me going through trial and error (and not having the ability to monitor engine data like Eddie does) I decided to have him do some testing. We may keep the 1/2" spacers or we may not...it all depends on water pressure, oil temps...and most importantly speed.

These are small bugs to work out in the grand scheme of things and we will have the boat back this comming weekend with the best setup. Eddie is only an 8hr drive for me...this in my opinion is time well spent to make sure things are 100% right.

Both YMP and FPM did a great job on this build....I just want it to last this time. Im sure all of you who have been following this thread can understand why.

Thanks

Eric

Sorry man...I dropped the ball when it came to video time. Maybe if Eddie has some time this week to take a vid or two he can post it. If not, I will for sure get some this comming weekend.

My bad....

Well it's good to hear that everything was no big deal. I guess you thought you had all the temp/water issues resolved before you left NC - at least you now have integrity, honesty and a really good warranty from Eddie "chicken salad" Young (maybe that one will stick).

Good Luck and great summer boating!

Thanks. When we left FPM it was dark and we had been testing all day. We put the pressure on them to have it ready for Memorial Day. Lil R wanted more time to test...but only so many hours in a day...besides we had a 20hr drive back to MO.

I honeslty dont think this is a big deal...just being safe.

Eddie, Here's a thought, and maybe you have it figured out by now. 1.750 pick-up is more than enough water volume. How about when the drives are trimmed the inlet water pressure from the pick-up is higher than the drive side, so the water reverses out the sea strainer back out of the drives. Put a 1" check valve in and you won't have a pressure drop. If you are running a thermostat- oil -control, isn't that already 212 degrees already?

Never thought of that Mark. That is very possibly what is happening. I want to see exactly what's going on with my own 2 eyes.

It does have an oil thermostat. It starts to open at 190 and is fully open by 210. I have a HUGE oil cooler on it so it should be able to maintain 220-225 under hard running. As long as the water pressure stayed up, the temp was fine. As the pressure dropped, the oil temp would creep up to 230. Not sure how high it would go, but it shouldn't go there in the first place.
Eddie

Both of my engines run up to 220 or so then pop and drop right down and start over again , they both cycle about the same even at cruise speed .

We were seeeing 230+....

Wow , did it keep climbing or ?

No...it would then drop back down. It would cycle..but just get a little hotter than it probably should. It seemed to run cooler when drives were tucked to 2-3.

Again...I may be a lil paranoid given my past experiences.

Eddie will figure it out Im sure....

And that's what they should do. Eric's does that as long as the water pressure stays where it should. It was only when it dropped to below 20 psi that the temps went up. Not sure why but we'll find out.
Eddie

Yes as you know Eddie my boat never had big water pressure even with the old engines , even now with supplying through the main center p u I have probably gained a couple pounds , running at 50-60 I have about 12-14 on port and about 8 or so on starboard , but as I run fast it does keep increasing never high . It did not change much from pulling through the drives to this setup .

Seriously??? Wow. Mabye the fact that your lowers are now 2" higher on the transom and do not pull water through them may be what the difference is???

Still surprised that with the large notch pickup that you dont have more pressure than before? Hmmmmm....

I meant going from sportmasters , pulling water through them verses picking up only from hull , I was prepared for high water pressure so when I put the big strainer in I installed 2 relief valves on it and dual dumps but I guess it wasnt needed .

10-4....

Have you come to a solution on the water pressure and oil temp?

No sir. Still having issues. Ill let Eddie explain. Very frustrating.

You were absolutly correct Mark. I disconnected the drives' water hoses from the strainer. I tie wrapped them up to the railing and let them dump overboard. Up to 90 mph there is absolutely nothing coming out of them. I didn't run any harder because the water pressure in the engines was dropping as well at the higher speeds.

I talked with Rick at IMCO and he told me that they have had that problem before. However, it was with much higher drives. He said that these should see some water. ANyway, he told me to open up the pickup in the lower. After looking at Solidworks, there is 5" that can be opened up. He said to start with 2" and see what it does. That's what we are currently doing.
Eddie

eddie - can you explain or show an illustration of the 5" you can open up?