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Fountain or Cigarette
Okay guys, I need some honest opinions...I've always loved both brands, but have been partial to Fountain. Next year my wife and I will pull the trigger on one of the two brands. It will be a 38', probably 1999-2003 range. We will be boating on Lake Erie. I've been in the Coast Guard on this lake for 14 yrs and had a boat for 8 yrs prior to that. There is usually a good chop and I'm sure both boats will take it with no problem, some tell me that the cigarette is heavier and built a little stronger? It seems that people have a tough time getting in touch with the people at fountain for parts or help with things? I'll admit, I don't like that Reggie isn't there any more. Please let me know your thoughts one way or another. thx!
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:food-smiley-007:
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You might use the search option when you have A LOT of time.
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Both great boats but different animals. To basically sum it up fountain is faster with equal power cig will ride better. This has been discussed numerous times on the board. Lol
Here's 112 pages worth. Lol http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...g-35-38-a.html |
Start one of these in the CIG forum, :champs:
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Couple quick things:
With Cigarette you're paying for the name, meaning that for any given dollar amount you will most likely get more boat out of a fountain than Cig. If you do not have the budget to get into a twin step Cig and are considering buying a straight bottom Cig vs stepped fountain, it is no brainier to go with the fountain. |
Oh god, not this again.
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If you have to ask...... i would say cigarette
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Ignore the issue with getting in touch with parts people at Fountain. I have always had great success with Joanne there. Also, just this week she had to leave for an emergency and I was told she'd be out all week. Someone else called me back within hours and we had several conversations with no problem getting in touch.
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Depends on your budget the Cigarette will be more money so get a late model Fountain for the same coin!
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If Lake Erie is your primary lake get a cig!!!
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Thanks all for the input. This should help in my decision making.
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If you are boating in rough conditions that will have the boat in and out of the water constantly, buy something that doesn't have bravo or bravo XR drives. Both boats will handle the water out there with a driver that can set the attitude of the vessel. The drive will always be the weak point.
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what's the next best drive above the Bravo's?
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Nxt, speedmaster 3,4,5,6 , imco. Pretty much everything
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1st: ASD 7m, dry ssm6
2nd: wet ssm6 3rd: imco SCX's 4th: SSM 5 5th: SSM 3, 4 Don't know where an nxt falls, still way above a bravo though. |
Originally Posted by hogie roll
(Post 4142030)
1st: ASD 7m, dry ssm6
2nd: wet ssm6 3rd: imco SCX's 4th: SSM 5 5th: SSM 3, 4 Don't know where an nxt falls, still way above a bravo though. 1st - ASD8 hands down 2nd - ASD7 SSM6 3rd - SSM5- 3A, NXT 4th - SSM early gen 5th - IMCO, BMAX 6th - Bravo XR 7th - TRS 8th - Bravo Picked the XR based driver over TRS because of parts, not strength |
I suspect and SCX can handle more power than some early SSMs. I could be wrong. The bmax is probably equivalent to an SC? SCX over bmax for sure I'd think.
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Originally Posted by hogie roll
(Post 4142064)
I suspect and SCX can handle more power than some early SSMs. I could be wrong. The bmax is probably equivalent to an SC? SCX over bmax for sure I'd think.
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lots of choices I see...
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Originally Posted by 4bus
(Post 4142093)
Maybe so, I don't know a ton about the SCX drives. However, I have seen some old big heavy boats running transmissions and SSM drives in big water with few problems. Would you confidently do the same with the bravo based SCX cone clutch drive?
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Originally Posted by Greatguy66
(Post 4141596)
Depends on your budget the Cigarette will be more money so get a late model Fountain for the same coin!
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Smoke or get smoked, that's the question. :whistle:
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Let us know what you go with. I am thinking of selling the 29 fever and moving up to a 38 Ex. or 38/39 TG. next year.
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Originally Posted by fordf350
(Post 4148822)
Let us know what you go with. I am thinking of selling the 29 fever and moving up to a 38 Ex. or 38/39 TG. next year.
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Get one with 500's
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Originally Posted by cgpsu309
(Post 4149788)
My mind is made up...Gonna go with the 38 Fountain.
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you won't be disapointed ;)
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I would like to stay in the $60-$90 range. I would like to find one with 500 EFI's. I like the dependability of those motors. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn down the right 525 boat either.
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Originally Posted by cgpsu309
(Post 4149788)
My mind is made up...Gonna go with the 38 Fountain.
You know that's only 32' 10" long right ?? :argue: :party-smiley-004: :party-smiley-048: |
Originally Posted by 33outlawsst
(Post 4152997)
You know that's only 32' 10" long right ?? :argue: :party-smiley-004: :party-smiley-048:
Then you would have enough money to go to about 3 poker runs and have a way cooler boat. |
Gimmie the Cig
I want to say that I have the highest respect for Fountain powerboats and their place in offshore history and accomplishment. There is no doubt that with equivalent power the Fountain will run faster on the top end. And to that I say, a Buggati Veyron will run faster on the top end than basically anything else. How often are you on the very top end? How important is the top end to you? A Ferrari will destroy my 66 Chevelle on the top end, but I could pull that Chevelle into a parking lot full of Lambo's and Ferraris and people will crowd around the muscle car.
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain. To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground. I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right? |
Well written reply but I think 4 years later he made a decision by now |
Originally Posted by hogie roll
(Post 4142064)
I suspect and SCX can handle more power than some early SSMs. I could be wrong. The bmax is probably equivalent to an SC? SCX over bmax for sure I'd think.
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Originally Posted by xcops420
(Post 4615350)
I want to say that I have the highest respect for Fountain powerboats and their place in offshore history and accomplishment. There is no doubt that with equivalent power the Fountain will run faster on the top end. And to that I say, a Buggati Veyron will run faster on the top end than basically anything else. How often are you on the very top end? How important is the top end to you? A Ferrari will destroy my 66 Chevelle on the top end, but I could pull that Chevelle into a parking lot full of Lambo's and Ferraris and people will crowd around the muscle car.
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain. To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground. I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right? |
Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4615372)
Must be snowing out
And BTW I think MY Fountain is cool...I Like the beak...sure looks great in aerial shots... |
I sold my 02 top gun to buy an 07 fountain - fit and finish are not all that different, although the wiring in my Cig was way better. No sink or enclosed head in a 38 foot boat was the main reason I sold my TG, I am guessing that the nice cabin was eliminated in the twin step because of weight. Both great boats and I would own either in a heartbeat. Not sure why you came on the fountain forum to dredge up an old thread and bash fountain.
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Your comment makes no sense
Originally Posted by dcb
(Post 4615441)
I sold my 02 top gun to buy an 07 fountain - fit and finish are not all that different, although the wiring in my Cig was way better. No sink or enclosed head in a 38 foot boat was the main reason I sold my TG, I am guessing that the nice cabin was eliminated in the twin step because of weight. Both great boats and I would own either in a heartbeat. Not sure why you came on the fountain forum to dredge up an old thread and bash fountain.
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Originally Posted by xcops420
(Post 4615350)
I want to say that I have the highest respect for Fountain powerboats and their place in offshore history and accomplishment. There is no doubt that with equivalent power the Fountain will run faster on the top end. And to that I say, a Buggati Veyron will run faster on the top end than basically anything else. How often are you on the very top end? How important is the top end to you? A Ferrari will destroy my 66 Chevelle on the top end, but I could pull that Chevelle into a parking lot full of Lambo's and Ferraris and people will crowd around the muscle car.
You have to decide what is important to you. Anything over 100 in a V bottom is badass and fun as hell. Does 115 over 101 really make a damn difference? Sure, if it's a race then yes. Or if you hang your hat off your top speed, then sure. I look at other factors that are more important to me. Personally, I don't like how Fountains look. I just don't. I don't like the windscreen style. I don't like the ass end. I don't like the swim pad. I hate the dash and cabin door set up. I just personally don't like the way Fountains look. The beak is pretty cool. And like I said, they are fast boats and nobody would reasonably diss a Fountain. To me Cigarette is where it's at. Cigs just have that classic offshore look. I love the fit and finish. A Fountain can't touch most Cigs for fit and finish. And I just don't think Fountains can touch Cigs for pure cool factor. Once again, the Lambo Vs. Classic muscle car argument. Everybody is different and needs to choose what is most important. I think if you are obsessed with top speed, get the Fountain. If you truly want to run offshore and pound waves for years and years, get a Cig. It is widely acknowledged that Cigs are built more heavy duty than Fountains, hence the lower top end speed. Apaches are the extreme end of heavy duty wave crusher and Fountains are on the other end of light and super fast on the top end. I think Cig is a nice middle ground. I'd take a Cig anyday over a Fountain. I think Cigs are more individual and unique and I just love the look of them better. And to all the Fountain guys, you do realize Outerlimits is the new king in town right for top end V performance? You that right? |
Mr. Sensitive
Originally Posted by dcb
(Post 4615533)
I guess the parts where you told us how you dont like the windshield, dash and cabin door, ass end and swim platform were compliments. Also the snarky comment about OL being the "new king in top end V performance" - maybe you should reread your post. By the way - OL set the record almost 4 years ago. What kind of boat do you own ? I dont see one in your profile.
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