Originally Posted by pm203

Cigarette hant been knocked out yet and likely will never be knocked out. Does Fountain build a good hull? You bet.Does their rigging and quality match Cigarette? No way.You cant blame Fountain,they build a great production boat .But that is what it is,a production boat. I like Fountains and admire them for what they are,a fast, excellent quality,great looking performance boat.

Originally Posted by pm203

Cigarette hant been knocked out yet and likely will never be knocked out.

Originally Posted by pm203

Does Fountain build a good hull? You bet.Does their rigging and quality match Cigarette? No way.You cant blame Fountain,they build a great production boat .But that is what it is,a production boat. I like Fountains and admire them for what they are,a fast, excellent quality,great looking performance boat.

Originally Posted by Fanatic

They just sit with the other bottom dwellers thinking of their wins thirty years ago with a sticker that still proclaims "world champions"... Well we are entitled to our opinions now aren't we?

Originally Posted by Back4More

... but still ride no better.

Originally Posted by GLH

Why the new name,

Originally Posted by GLH

the way you post your obviously someone who has hung around here for a while. Lonely at the Fountain Factory again?

Originally Posted by GLH

Just go cheer for those Skater bottom designed Fountain just like the new Cigarettes...

Originally Posted by GLH

You could also tell us what 38 foot long 42 Fountain your running and where you are from,

Originally Posted by GLH

there's enough people here swinging others dicks around.

Originally Posted by GLH

Don't forget to post some pics of your Enzo while you're at it...

Originally Posted by GLH

When we'll need an expert in depreciation we'll call you.

Originally Posted by Downtown42

The man is Reggie, not benny.

I haven't seen a Robertson yet is he building 1 or 2?? :p

Originally Posted by Fanatic

...we are all joking...

Originally Posted by GLH

Oh forgot... :D

Originally Posted by drypipetiger

Your so soft... :evilb:

Originally Posted by Fanatic

Oh, yes " the good old days argument"...Son did I ever tell you about the time...

Remember the model T was a great car once as well. They all get knocked out of their place if they don't keep up.

Ford Model T vs Bugatti Vehyron
Fokker tri-wing vs F-22 Raptor

Originally Posted by pm203

Cigarette hant been knocked out yet and likely will never be knocked out. Does Fountain build a good hull? You bet.Does their rigging and quality match Cigarette? No way.You cant blame Fountain,they build a great production boat .But that is what it is,a production boat. I like Fountains and admire them for what they are,a fast, excellent quality,great looking performance boat.

Originally Posted by Fanatic

. I guess you are missing the smiles after everyones posts? Take a deep breath and relax, we are all joking.

Originally Posted by GLH

. I have met and boated with hundreds of them and they all know that I'm an idiot...

Originally Posted by BROWNIE

Just had a mental picture..... John Wayne on a Suzuki, wearing a Timex, smoking a cardboard cigar.

Originally Posted by T2x

You're a soft, cuddly, pointed headed Canadian transplant.......

Originally Posted by T2x

1959 Ray Hunt designs Bertram 31 "moppie" First V step hull (Step refers to longitudinal strakes) Boat immediately wins Miami Nassau race by a huge margin and establishes deep vees as the rough water planing design of choice, combining strength and performance.

1962 Don Aronow creates Formula 233 (copies Bertram with sexier lines) Hailed as a "break through". This makes offshore racing available to more people.

1964 Don Aronow creates Donzi (copies Formula with sexier lines)Hailed as a "break through".

1965 Paul Allison creates the "pad bottom" , first change in Ray Hunt's design that actually meant anything.

1966 Don Aronow creates Magnum (copies Donzi with sexier.etc, Throws a Schultz tunnel hull in for some obscure reason)

1969 Don Aronow creates Cigarette (copies Magnum without the Schultz Hydrokat)

1970 Don Aronow hires John Crouse as PR guy and is immediately Canonized as the second coming of Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein with a little Paul Bunyan thrown in for good measure.

1976 George Linder creates Challenger 21 arguably the greatest Vee bottom ever.

1981 Don Aronow creates The Squadron ( just a copy of Cigarette)

1981 Reggie Fountain aftermarkets Excaliburs, calls them Executioners and becomes the inventor of the Vee bottom....takes out pages of advertizing, and people actually believe him.

1981 Shadow puts a step on the revamped Challenger 21 and creates the world's first production stepped V bottom...admitting that the idea came from 1930's era runabouts and Sea plane floats.... Design is immediately discarded because there is no speed increase and the boat turns dangerously.

1982 Don Aronow creates the Apache 41 (Never gets a good night's sleep again).

1986 Don Aronow creates the "Blue Thunder" and a few years later is found dead of a gun shot wound. Early rumors that irate Blue Thunder owners killed him are squashed when Ben Kramer is implicated(irate Company owner).

1987. Hustler buys old Signature molds and creates new old Signatures.

1988 Fountain Powerboats creates the world's first ugly hook nosed bow and calls it an original "design change"..... and people believe him.

1993 Reggie Fountain invents the "stepped Vee"...again.......claims it's much faster .... and people believe him.

19931/2 Every other Vee bottom manufacturer invents the stepped Vee bottom ...again...
all of them are no faster than older models, but turn worse.

1996 Now that steps are considered State-of -the-Art, manufacturers turn to styling and graphics to jack up prices. Except Reggie who just charges a lot anyway...and people believe him.

1997 Mike Allweiss invents Factory class racing (or maybe it was Gene Whipp), believing that the public wants to watch 37 year old technology with sea plane bottom modifications flailing around in semi hysterical bedlam. This is considered "The Next Great Motorsport". Jersey Speed Skiff racers immediately protest, citing that they have had an exclusive on bizarre racing with antique designs for years.

1998 Manufacturers rise to the challenge and reduce weights in "competition" models to the point where they are useless in both rough and calm water.

1998 Pleasure boaters adopt all of this crap and put it to use in Poker Runs.....

2001. 38' Whiz bang barrel rolls in Atlantic City injuring passenger. Boat has Vee bottom with Steps. Other people report similar mishaps all over the U. S. (World?).

2001 Ray Hunt spins in his grave.

Originally Posted by cuda

There are people on this board that would criticize Noah's boat building skill. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by T2x

One day he arrives with a pair of sheep.....so we threw him out. T2x ;)

Originally Posted by GLH

Who are you again??

Originally Posted by GLH

And what kind of rig do you own again?

Originally Posted by GLH

People here with worthwhile opinions are known beyond the anonymity of their computer.

Originally Posted by GLH

I have met and boated with hundreds of them and they all know that I'm an idiot...

Originally Posted by GLH

So until you show what you got except theories developed from reading Powerboat in your orthodontist's bathroom.

Originally Posted by GLH

all you are is a knob

Originally Posted by T2x

Son......

Originally Posted by T2x

Did I ever tell you that Brownie was directly involved as a founding father of Donzi, Magnum, Cougar, ........etc?

Originally Posted by T2x

And comparing Cigarette to Harley Davidson is a very valid argument as both are brands that depict a certain lifestyle and sense of taste.

Originally Posted by T2x

Perhaps you might rethink your statement?

T2x

Originally Posted by Fanatic

Did I ever tell you I could care less?

Originally Posted by Croozin2
Anyway, all Reggie did was take Howard Pipkorn's Hydrostream design (of which Reggie raced many) and stretch it to 42 feet. :D[/QUOTE

To my knowledge Reggie never raced a Hydrostream......He was racing tunnels before Hydrostreams hit the race course..... and certainly didn't step down to the vee bottom classes after that.

Benny, on the other hand, did race in the vee bottom classes...in Allisons.... the pad bottom hull that influenced the original Fountain Executioner....

Hydrostreams , while, unique in many ways, haven't really influenced anything in the Offshore marketplace.

T2x

Originally Posted by Fanatic

Did I ever tell you I could care less?

Originally Posted by Back4More

New 42' Cig prototype...runs 5-7mph faster an has better sex appeal

Originally Posted by ScottB

I beg to differ Old timer, Bill Cooper had that distinction :eek: :drink:

Originally Posted by T2x

And your point is?

I remember that kid Noah hanging around the shop.......


T2x ;)

Originally Posted by Jamie B.

Your user name . . Fanatic . . . fanatic about what ? Because it sure appears that it isnt about offshore or its history.

Originally Posted by drypipetiger

Then why do you want one so bad? :D :D

Originally Posted by epeek

Hey,I just checked out OSO........Lets see,Fountain builds
about 350-400 boats a year. Theres 125 for sale on OSO.
Cig builds...about 20 boats a year,92 for sale on OSO.
HMMMMMM,very interesting.

Originally Posted by Back4More

New 42' Cig prototype...runs 5-7mph faster an has better sex appeal