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What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
I was playing around on boattrader yesterday and saw a 1998 38 Scarab AVS that had a twin step. I didn't think they started "really" stepping V-bottoms until 1999 or 2000. Was the scarab the first stepped V-bottom?? I've also seen some early fountains with steps, what year did that start? And how come some of the 2000 Top Guns are stepped and others are not? And I think I've seen a 1999 stepped top gun with Lucky Strikes paint job that was stepped. There is a 37 OL Stiletto at my marina with a very small single step, sort of like the 1998/1999 hustler slingshots. Just some questions I was curious about and figured you guys would know.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
I believe the first Fountain's that were stepped came out in late '94???? I know all the '95's and above were stepped!!!!!
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Wow, I thought Reggie Fountain invented the deep vee, steps, and hair plugs. Guess I was wrong.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Obsession has one in the early 90's, I doubt that was first....S. Stepp had to have his hand in there somewhere...
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Hustler had a stepped 40 in 1989. You could get it with big power and Arnesons too.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
T2x knows....
Originally Posted by T2x
1959 Ray Hunt designs Bertram 31 "moppie" First V step hull (Step refers to longitudinal strakes) Boat immediately wins Miami Nassau race by a huge margin and establishes deep vees as the rough water planing design of choice, combining strength and performance.
1962 Don Aronow creates Formula 233 (copies Bertram with sexier lines) Hailed as a "break through". This makes offshore racing available to more people. 1964 Don Aronow creates Donzi (copies Formula with sexier lines)Hailed as a "break through". 1965 Paul Allison creates the "pad bottom" , first change in Ray Hunt's design that actually meant anything. 1966 Don Aronow creates Magnum (copies Donzi with sexier.etc, Throws a Schultz tunnel hull in for some obscure reason) 1969 Don Aronow creates Cigarette (copies Magnum without the Schultz Hydrokat) 1970 Don Aronow hires John Crouse as PR guy and is immediately Canonized as the second coming of Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein with a little Paul Bunyan thrown in for good measure. 1976 George Linder creates Challenger 21 arguably the greatest Vee bottom ever. 1981 Don Aronow creates The Squadron ( just a copy of Cigarette) 1981 Reggie Fountain aftermarkets Excaliburs, calls them Executioners and becomes the inventor of the Vee bottom....takes out pages of advertizing, and people actually believe him. 1981 Shadow puts a step on the revamped Challenger 21 and creates the world's first production stepped V bottom...admitting that the idea came from 1930's era runabouts and Sea plane floats.... Design is immediately discarded because there is no speed increase and the boat turns dangerously. 1982 Don Aronow creates the Apache 41 (Never gets a good night's sleep again). 1986 Don Aronow creates the "Blue Thunder" and a few years later is found dead of a gun shot wound. Early rumors that irate Blue Thunder owners killed him are squashed when Ben Kramer is implicated(irate Company owner). 1987. Hustler buys old Signature molds and creates new old Signatures. 1988 Fountain Powerboats creates the world's first ugly hook nosed bow and calls it an original "design change"..... and people believe him. 1993 Reggie Fountain invents the "stepped Vee"...again.......claims it's much faster .... and people believe him. 19931/2 Every other Vee bottom manufacturer invents the stepped Vee bottom ...again... all of them are no faster than older models, but turn worse. 1996 Now that steps are considered State-of -the-Art, manufacturers turn to styling and graphics to jack up prices. Except Reggie who just charges a lot anyway...and people believe him. 1997 Mike Allweiss invents Factory class racing (or maybe it was Gene Whipp), believing that the public wants to watch 37 year old technology with sea plane bottom modifications flailing around in semi hysterical bedlam. This is considered "The Next Great Motorsport". Jersey Speed Skiff racers immediately protest, citing that they have had an exclusive on bizarre racing with antique designs for years. 1998 Manufacturers rise to the challenge and reduce weights in "competition" models to the point where they are useless in both rough and calm water. 1998 Pleasure boaters adopt all of this crap and put it to use in Poker Runs..... 2001. 38' Whiz bang barrel rolls in Atlantic City injuring passenger. Boat has Vee bottom with Steps. Other people report similar mishaps all over the U. S. (World?). 2001 Ray Hunt spins in his grave. From http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=12464 |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
You guys know nothing.... :p Stepped Hulls
The concept was originally proposed by Rev. Ramus of Sussex England in 1872. He proposed both a single step with tandem planing surfaces, and a combination of three pontoons with one forward and two aft. Indications are that these shapes were derived from model tests. Unfortunately, the heavy steam power plants of that day could not push a hull fast enough to plane, and take advantage of the new concept. As early as 1906 there were published drawings for small stepped hulls with hard chines. William Henry Fauber [8] obtained a U.S. patent for hulls with multiple steps in 1908, but could find few people in the U.S.A. interested, so he moved to Europe. Two small boats Solair (12') and Flapper (15') demonstrated the potential of stepped hulls as did the Harmsworth challenger Pioneer (5 steps) in 1910. (See Data Chart, Figure 12.) The stepped hull began practical development about at the same time as the hard chined planing hull. A step in the bottom of a hull, raises part of the bottom surface so that it is no longer touching the water. Less wetted area. At the same time, the planing surfaces meet the water at a near optimum angle of attack over a wide range of speeds. The stepped hull is very efficient hydrodynamicly. In the early days of stepped hulls, it was not certain just how many steps should be incorporated. Pioneer had 5 steps in 1910. Maple Leaf IV had 5 steps. Maple Leaf IV: Length 39'-11" x Beam 8' . Two V-8 engines 350 Hp. each. In 1912, Maple Leaf IV came over, from England, won the Harmsworth Trophy, and took it home. She had no less than five steps, and the driver sat on a pedestal high above the transom in order to see over the bow. Some hulls had so many steps that they were called "shingled'. Rainbow IV (12 steps); Eventually, model tests showed that a single step would be most efficient if you could locate it in the right position and give.it the proper depth. The lines shown in Figure 10 are typical of stepped hulls in the 1920's. Note the very flat bottom. This boat raced in a class limited to engines with 1.5 litre displacements. Gar wood brought the Harmsworth Trophy back to United States in 1920 with the first of his Miss America's. These single stepped craft so dominated the Gold Cup and Harmsworth racing that few other boats attempted to compete. The Miss America series were not really efficient boats, just big boats with huge amounts of power from multiple V-12 Packard engines. Between about 1915 and 1940, a great many motor torpedo boats and fast patrol boats were built world wide, with stepped hulls. [10] The performance of these craft varied considerably, with some being very inefficient. Stepped Hull Limitations The stepped hull maintains a nearly optimum angle of attack over most of the speed range. The hydrodynamic hull drag is almost constant. The drag of the propeller shaft, shaft strut and rudder, (appendage drag) increase as the square of the speed. The graph of Performance Factors shows actual speed data of different prominent racing stepped hulls. The data points are numbered and refer to numbers on the data chart Figure 12. The boats are numbered in sequence according to the year when the speeds were established. The sequential increases in power factor reflect engine development and not hull development. Notice that most of these boats perform almost on the limit line. Gar Wood's Miss Americas were really quite inefficient. Many stepped hulls from England were significantly more efficient and often faster. They failed to win races because of a lack of strength and mechanical reliability. The very streamlined Alagi was slightly more efficient than the others. Stepped hulls are difficult to design. There are many design variables compared to the design of a Vee bottomed monohull. I do not know of any accurate method available to optimize stepped hull design other than by model testing. Stepped hulls dominated race boat design until about 1938 when Adolph Apel patented the three point hydroplane configuration. Ventnor three point hydroplanes dominated small limited class racing, yet stepped hulls were running competitively in Unlimited class racing up until 1949. In 1950, Slo-Mo-Shun demonstrated 'prop riding' and boosted the world speed record significantly. (More on 'prop riding" later.) Stepped hulls definitely have the potential of being significantly more efficient than rnonohulls. Compare the Limit Lines on the Performance Factor graphs. There are a number of reasons why stepped hulls did not become popular for pleasure boats. (a) Complexity of design, and the costs of development. (b) Stepped hulls were banned from gold cup racing from 1920 to 1931. Wealthy race boat owners were not investing in stepped hull development. (c) There were quite a few relatively small stepped 'gentleman's racers' built, but few of these were really efficient. (d) There were many huge war-surplus aircraft engines available after the first world war, at reasonable prices, and few light weight marine engines available. It was easier, (and possibly cheaper) to buy a big engine for a monohull, than to develop an efficient stepped hull. OSO....You have been schooled |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Back4More
You guys know nothing.... :p Stepped Hulls
The concept was originally proposed by Rev. Ramus of Sussex England in 1872. He proposed both a single step with tandem planing surfaces, and a combination of three pontoons with one forward and two aft. Indications are that these shapes were derived from model tests. Unfortunately, the heavy steam power plants of that day could not push a hull fast enough to plane, and take advantage of the new concept. As early as 1906 there were published drawings for small stepped hulls with hard chines. William Henry Fauber [8] obtained a U.S. patent for hulls with multiple steps in 1908, but could find few people in the U.S.A. interested, so he moved to Europe. Two small boats Solair (12') and Flapper (15') demonstrated the potential of stepped hulls as did the Harmsworth challenger Pioneer (5 steps) in 1910. (See Data Chart, Figure 12.) The stepped hull began practical development about at the same time as the hard chined planing hull. A step in the bottom of a hull, raises part of the bottom surface so that it is no longer touching the water. Less wetted area. At the same time, the planing surfaces meet the water at a near optimum angle of attack over a wide range of speeds. The stepped hull is very efficient hydrodynamicly. In the early days of stepped hulls, it was not certain just how many steps should be incorporated. Pioneer had 5 steps in 1910. Maple Leaf IV had 5 steps. Maple Leaf IV: Length 39'-11" x Beam 8' . Two V-8 engines 350 Hp. each. In 1912, Maple Leaf IV came over, from England, won the Harmsworth Trophy, and took it home. She had no less than five steps, and the driver sat on a pedestal high above the transom in order to see over the bow. Some hulls had so many steps that they were called "shingled'. Rainbow IV (12 steps); Eventually, model tests showed that a single step would be most efficient if you could locate it in the right position and give.it the proper depth. The lines shown in Figure 10 are typical of stepped hulls in the 1920's. Note the very flat bottom. This boat raced in a class limited to engines with 1.5 litre displacements. Gar wood brought the Harmsworth Trophy back to United States in 1920 with the first of his Miss America's. These single stepped craft so dominated the Gold Cup and Harmsworth racing that few other boats attempted to compete. The Miss America series were not really efficient boats, just big boats with huge amounts of power from multiple V-12 Packard engines. Between about 1915 and 1940, a great many motor torpedo boats and fast patrol boats were built world wide, with stepped hulls. [10] The performance of these craft varied considerably, with some being very inefficient. Stepped Hull Limitations The stepped hull maintains a nearly optimum angle of attack over most of the speed range. The hydrodynamic hull drag is almost constant. The drag of the propeller shaft, shaft strut and rudder, (appendage drag) increase as the square of the speed. The graph of Performance Factors shows actual speed data of different prominent racing stepped hulls. The data points are numbered and refer to numbers on the data chart Figure 12. The boats are numbered in sequence according to the year when the speeds were established. The sequential increases in power factor reflect engine development and not hull development. Notice that most of these boats perform almost on the limit line. Gar Wood's Miss Americas were really quite inefficient. Many stepped hulls from England were significantly more efficient and often faster. They failed to win races because of a lack of strength and mechanical reliability. The very streamlined Alagi was slightly more efficient than the others. Stepped hulls are difficult to design. There are many design variables compared to the design of a Vee bottomed monohull. I do not know of any accurate method available to optimize stepped hull design other than by model testing. Stepped hulls dominated race boat design until about 1938 when Adolph Apel patented the three point hydroplane configuration. Ventnor three point hydroplanes dominated small limited class racing, yet stepped hulls were running competitively in Unlimited class racing up until 1949. In 1950, Slo-Mo-Shun demonstrated 'prop riding' and boosted the world speed record significantly. (More on 'prop riding" later.) Stepped hulls definitely have the potential of being significantly more efficient than rnonohulls. Compare the Limit Lines on the Performance Factor graphs. There are a number of reasons why stepped hulls did not become popular for pleasure boats. (a) Complexity of design, and the costs of development. (b) Stepped hulls were banned from gold cup racing from 1920 to 1931. Wealthy race boat owners were not investing in stepped hull development. (c) There were quite a few relatively small stepped 'gentleman's racers' built, but few of these were really efficient. (d) There were many huge war-surplus aircraft engines available after the first world war, at reasonable prices, and few light weight marine engines available. It was easier, (and possibly cheaper) to buy a big engine for a monohull, than to develop an efficient stepped hull. OSO....You have been schooled |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Interesting stuff there guys...that was a hell of a history lesson, thanks for the info.
I was looking more for the progression of stepped hulls through the last decade. How come most manufacturers are making stepped hulls now, but some aren't, such as Sonic? |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Fountain went to the stepped hull in 1995. 1994 was still a flat bottom boat.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Semper Fi
Like you knew this also :eek: ....you just got schooled when you found this info on the net :D
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Back4More
You got it! :p
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by gotime34
Interesting stuff there guys...that was a hell of a history lesson, thanks for the info.
I was looking more for the progression of stepped hulls through the last decade. How come most manufacturers are making stepped hulls now, but some aren't, such as Sonic? |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Back4More
You guys know nothing.... :p Stepped Hulls
The concept was originally proposed by Rev. Ramus of Sussex England in 1872. He proposed both a single step with tandem planing surfaces, and a combination of three pontoons with one forward and two aft. Indications are that these shapes were derived from model tests. Unfortunately, the heavy steam power plants of that day could not push a hull fast enough to plane, and take advantage of the new concept. As early as 1906 there were published drawings for small stepped hulls with hard chines. William Henry Fauber [8] obtained a U.S. patent for hulls with multiple steps in 1908, but could find few people in the U.S.A. interested, so he moved to Europe. Two small boats Solair (12') and Flapper (15') demonstrated the potential of stepped hulls as did the Harmsworth challenger Pioneer (5 steps) in 1910. (See Data Chart, Figure 12.) The stepped hull began practical development about at the same time as the hard chined planing hull. A step in the bottom of a hull, raises part of the bottom surface so that it is no longer touching the water. Less wetted area. At the same time, the planing surfaces meet the water at a near optimum angle of attack over a wide range of speeds. The stepped hull is very efficient hydrodynamicly. In the early days of stepped hulls, it was not certain just how many steps should be incorporated. Pioneer had 5 steps in 1910. Maple Leaf IV had 5 steps. Maple Leaf IV: Length 39'-11" x Beam 8' . Two V-8 engines 350 Hp. each. In 1912, Maple Leaf IV came over, from England, won the Harmsworth Trophy, and took it home. She had no less than five steps, and the driver sat on a pedestal high above the transom in order to see over the bow. Some hulls had so many steps that they were called "shingled'. Rainbow IV (12 steps); Eventually, model tests showed that a single step would be most efficient if you could locate it in the right position and give.it the proper depth. The lines shown in Figure 10 are typical of stepped hulls in the 1920's. Note the very flat bottom. This boat raced in a class limited to engines with 1.5 litre displacements. Gar wood brought the Harmsworth Trophy back to United States in 1920 with the first of his Miss America's. These single stepped craft so dominated the Gold Cup and Harmsworth racing that few other boats attempted to compete. The Miss America series were not really efficient boats, just big boats with huge amounts of power from multiple V-12 Packard engines. Between about 1915 and 1940, a great many motor torpedo boats and fast patrol boats were built world wide, with stepped hulls. [10] The performance of these craft varied considerably, with some being very inefficient. Stepped Hull Limitations The stepped hull maintains a nearly optimum angle of attack over most of the speed range. The hydrodynamic hull drag is almost constant. The drag of the propeller shaft, shaft strut and rudder, (appendage drag) increase as the square of the speed. The graph of Performance Factors shows actual speed data of different prominent racing stepped hulls. The data points are numbered and refer to numbers on the data chart Figure 12. The boats are numbered in sequence according to the year when the speeds were established. The sequential increases in power factor reflect engine development and not hull development. Notice that most of these boats perform almost on the limit line. Gar Wood's Miss Americas were really quite inefficient. Many stepped hulls from England were significantly more efficient and often faster. They failed to win races because of a lack of strength and mechanical reliability. The very streamlined Alagi was slightly more efficient than the others. Stepped hulls are difficult to design. There are many design variables compared to the design of a Vee bottomed monohull. I do not know of any accurate method available to optimize stepped hull design other than by model testing. Stepped hulls dominated race boat design until about 1938 when Adolph Apel patented the three point hydroplane configuration. Ventnor three point hydroplanes dominated small limited class racing, yet stepped hulls were running competitively in Unlimited class racing up until 1949. In 1950, Slo-Mo-Shun demonstrated 'prop riding' and boosted the world speed record significantly. (More on 'prop riding" later.) Stepped hulls definitely have the potential of being significantly more efficient than rnonohulls. Compare the Limit Lines on the Performance Factor graphs. There are a number of reasons why stepped hulls did not become popular for pleasure boats. (a) Complexity of design, and the costs of development. (b) Stepped hulls were banned from gold cup racing from 1920 to 1931. Wealthy race boat owners were not investing in stepped hull development. (c) There were quite a few relatively small stepped 'gentleman's racers' built, but few of these were really efficient. (d) There were many huge war-surplus aircraft engines available after the first world war, at reasonable prices, and few light weight marine engines available. It was easier, (and possibly cheaper) to buy a big engine for a monohull, than to develop an efficient stepped hull. OSO....You have been schooled |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by skopi55
Fountain went to the stepped hull in 1995. 1994 was still a flat bottom boat.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
I remember seeing a late 80's 32 Hustler for sale with steps.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by PatriYacht
Hustler had a stepped 40 in 1989. You could get it with big power and Arnesons too.
The 40 Hustler is the first one I remember. |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Paul Fiore, father of Mike of Outer Limits, experimented many years ago with the Hustler bottom. Europeans had steps in cat hulls long before that.
At the 1995 boat show when Reggie first displayed his stepped bottom, Paul told me Reggie was five years behind. Reggie has tweaked his steps many times since then. |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
the vikings would stagger the planks on their longships to gain more speed.. anybody got something farther back than that? maybe noah? :D :evilb: :drink:
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by jb
Obsession has one in the early 90's, I doubt that was first....S. Stepp had to have his hand in there somewhere...
According to Velocity's website Steve Stepp doesn't believe in the stepped hull and had nothing to do with it. He is known for the padded bottom as a solution for going fast on flat water. Works good too I have seen several 28's +/- that run 70+ with a single 496 HO. |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
What difference does it make?
You're much better off with a conventional vee and a pad bottom. Unless, of course, you actually like to spin out........... T2x |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Pure Energy
I remember seeing a late 80's 32 Hustler for sale with steps.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Sean H
the vikings would stagger the planks on their longships to gain more speed.. anybody got something farther back than that? maybe noah? :D :evilb: :drink:
Maybe Brownie would know, we were both there as young guys. |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
T2X.
Hustler did not purchase any molds or hulls, in fact the first hustler was tooled in Paul Fiore's Garage in 1977. Paul got started in the boat business by fooling with the family's cabin cruiser in the mid 70's, had success and decided to build a boat from scratch. As far as the first step hull.... Paul was not the inventer of the stepped hull. But he was the first to utilize a stepped hull in a production boat model. The first production boat with a stepped hull was a 40' Hustler back in 1986. Your opinion of stepped bottom boats has been noted, but it is just that, an opinion. A stepped bottom requires a different driving approach, just as driving a cat, or a non stepped bottom. But they all serve their respective purpose. I have driven may stepped bottom boats as well as conventional bottom boats, and do not feel any less secure when cornering with the stepped bottom. But I am concious of the limitations of the particular boat that I am operating, and use caution not to drive over my head. |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
There have always been stepped hulls. The Bob Hobbs designed/Cal Connell built Monte Carlo Offshorer was a mid-60's design. Sonny Levi was the designer for Italcraft in the 60's and 70's. They built thousands of stepped hulls with SURFACE DRIVES! There truly is NOTHING new under the sun........
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by BROWNIE
There have always been stepped hulls. The Bob Hobbs designed/Cal Connell built Monte Carlo Offshorer was a mid-60's design. Sonny Levi was the designer for Italcraft in the 60's and 70's. They built thousands of stepped hulls with SURFACE DRIVES! There truly is NOTHING new under the sun........
Sonny Levi's hulls were nothing more than an optical illusion. :p :p T2x |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
delta by larson was the first step hall.. believe it or not
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
According to Velocity's website Steve Stepp doesn't believe in the stepped hull and had nothing to do with it. He is known for the padded bottom as a solution for going fast on flat water. Works good too I have seen several 28's +/- that run 70+ with a single 496 HO.
forgot to insert tongue in cheek... a play on words..... joke...ok? |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by jb
Obsession has one in the early 90's, I doubt that was first....S. Stepp had to have his hand in there somewhere...
S. Stepp actually does not use steps and markets quite actively against them calling them unsafe. His last name is just a coincidence. |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
and here i thought the first steps used in boat hulls were used in sea planes way back in the ...30's ..40's... because they got bigger and heaviear and couldnt get the speed needed to get off the water....until aircraft engineers came up with a stepped hull and poof.. airborne....
ie. howard hughes spruce goose for one... Don |
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So what does a padded bottom look like?
This is the only one I know of....( ! ) :p |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by CustomRigger101
delta by larson was the first step hall.. believe it or not
Uh......no...that .....too ......would be incorrect. T2x |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by T2x
You are obviously incorrect...... we all know that Hustler built the first production stepped offshore hulls in 1986....... 20 years later.
Sonny Levi's hulls were nothing more than an optical illusion. :p :p T2x T2x :p |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
I guess I wasn't asking a question with a straight answer :cool: . But what I got out of it is this...Hustler started stepped hulls in the late 80's, early 90's. Then Fountain started making them in the mid 90's, then others followed in the late 90's....I guess :cool:
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by gotime34
I guess I wasn't asking a question with a straight answer :cool: . But what I got out of it is this...Hustler started stepped hulls in the late 80's, early 90's. Then Fountain started making them in the mid 90's, then others followed in the late 90's....I guess :cool:
Wooden Gold Cup and runabout builders started adding steps...or "shingles"...... to their hulls before they were even at full planing speed...... early 20th Century. Steps were improved by seaplane float designers in the 30's Many boats ...both racing and non racing designs used steps as a speed modification....... long before the first Vee bottom was designed in the late 50's......all over the world. In fact, steps were specifically banned from all Outboard Performance Class (OPC) production hulls during the 60's and 70's......... Any air assisted bottom modification was deemed illiegal...including both steps...and concave running pads and strakes.......which was old technology...even then. There is no way that any current builder can claim to have been the "first"....... it was old wine in new bottles...in 1986......... As I have repeated too often......We put them on some Shadow 21 hulls in 1981........ and we were definitely NOT the first....... but we were ahead of Fountain and Hustler.......... By the way these 21' hulls still exist.....one is in Canada. I had "shingle bottom" racing runabouts in the late 50's..... and they were old hat then. T2x P.S. All steps/shingles/slots...etc....make the running surface "slippery".........especially when turning....That's why most old step bottom racing hulls....used turning fins for traction.......... Today's stepped hulls need them too...... Ever see the trim tabs that come with them mounted off the outboard edge?...... What do you think they're for... decoration? |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by T2x
Oh yeah...I almost forgot....... after Hustler built the first step hulls in 1986.......Reggie built the first step hulls in 1990.
T2x :p Does that mean those rigs spin and end up right side up? |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Maybe Reggie put the beak on the bow of his boats so when they spin and sink the bow sticking out of the water is visible for a longer distance. Its a safety feature, used in conjuction with his ground breaking use of steps. I think I've solved the mystery of the beaks.
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Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by GLH
Bizzaro Stepped hull history...
Does that mean those rigs spin and end up right side up? No it means that they were built in the 1990's but existed in the 1890's........ or something like that. T2x :D |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
Originally Posted by ApacheCarl
Maybe Reggie put the beak on the bow of his boats so when they spin and sink the bow sticking out of the water is visible for a longer distance. Its a safety feature, used in conjuction with his ground breaking use of steps. I think I've solved the mystery of the beaks.
Dude...One hit off the Bizzo at a time. :rolleyes: So what does a padded boat bottom look like? |
Re: What was the first stepped V-Bottom??
During the 1993 Miami Boat Show, I had lunch at Monte's with Dick Cole, world's #1 moneymaker boat designer and Sonny Levi (my houseguest at the time). Dick brought along a big book called "Marine developments from 1896 to 1916" or something like that. Every goddam idea I ever had was in that book!
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