HELP !! No speed limit on NH lakes
 

All,
I am sure you were all surprised, as we were, about HB162 passing in the NH House. The bill has been passed to the NH Senate into the Transportation committee. The Transportation committee has scheduled a public hearing next Friday, February 24th at 9:00 am in Concord, NH in the Representatives Hall (the main legislative building 107 North Main Street Concord, NH).

THIS has to be a grassroots effort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots), so we need you to come to the hearing to show the Senate that you still care AND oppose HB162. This is your LAST chance to make a difference.

Action Items:
1. Attend the hearing, February 24th, 9:00 am 107 North Main Street Concord, NH. You do not have to speak, if you wish to speak, please respond to me letting me know. And please pass this information onto anybody who does not get email and can come next Friday.

2. Send letters to all the Senators. It will cost you a total of $15+/- for postage and envelopes.

This link has all their addresses: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...temembers.html

3. Call each Senator. See link above for phone numbers.

All of these businesses (http://www.opposehb162.com/opposehb162/whoweare.htm) are behind you and we all your help in this last effort to win the Senate. If you know of any NH businesses that want to be on this list when presented to the Senate, please forward business name, address and contact to [email protected]


Thank you and your help is needed,
Custie

http://www.opposehb162.com



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Re: HELP !! No speed limit on NH lakes
 

BOO!!!! No LIMITS!!!!!! :mad:

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Any one who owns a boat there and doesn't show up is a fool
:mad:

Re: HELP !! No speed limit on NH lakes
 

Agreed
Lets not let this happen folks

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WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

IF THIS TAKES PLACE IN THEIR WATERS OUR WATERS ARE NEXT.

WE ARE SLOWLY LOOSING OUR RIGHTS :mad: :mad:

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SORRY I live a little far away to walk. :(

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Interesting list of those who oppose the bill :confused: .
I saw some of the same names of business's on the list that SUPPORTS the bill as posted by one of the blue hairs on winni.com.
Naswa being on of them. They draw a big crowd on the weekends and I can't see them shooting themselves in the foot by supporting a speed bill.
I wouldn't be suprized if the asked the first person the saw and NOT someone who spoke officially for the business to get some of their answers :mad:

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We kind of felt that way prior to making it through the house - where the hell were / are the manufacturers?

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This IS the final showdown. And, the odds are better than we think. Its far from hopeless, so PLEASE write to the senators!!

P.S. The power of OSO is needed now!.To everybody,please take the time to help us by writing to the senate. Together, we can put a stop to this discriminatory piece of legislation that could ultimately one day, effect all of us.

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Good luck guys up there in Quaker-ville. This is another shiny example of why I left New England - the place is F'd up... :(

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We need to apeal to the senate that the speed limit is to low, Also the expenses and the issues with radar on the water. Tell them that tougher licensing would be a better start then this.


Jon

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Ya cuz all those Manatee zones make a lot of sence :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :p :p

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Jon,
Your right, all our manatee zones make about as much sense as this stupid bill! :mad:

Good luck to you guys, and you have to show up in BIG numbers to get your message across!
Dean

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Good luck guys. Show them your numbers, put up an intelligent fight.

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guys, you need to hustle around here and get the performance boat community at large, manufacturers, engine builders, suppliers, everyone, to send some money (yes, unfortunately it always revolves around money), and start a TV commercial and newspaper article campaign.

It needs to be centered on how much money this community generates for the state and local economy, how many jobs it creates, and how this is just more of the failed thinking that led to the luxury boat tax that almost destroyed an industry, killed off thousands of jobs, and resulted in a net revenue decrease to the state and local community.

Focus on how this will HURT the non boater through increased regulation cost, increased enforcement cost, lost tax revenues, everything. Pull out a few performance boat dealers and have them talk about how much they pay in taxes, and how if this passes they go away and SOMEONE ELSE will pay those taxes, talk about the number of jobs their shop employees and how many other businesses their business supports, and how SOMEONE ELSE will be paying those guys unemployment and government health care when they get laid off.

Make this an "anti vs pro business" argument, make it a "increased tax" argument, make it a "job killing" argument, and you end this schite right there, once and for all.

If this effort fails then there will be other states that follow and then it will be much harder and more expensive to fight later.

To the advertisers on this site, you best pony up some money and organize FAST, you can pay a little now and kill this thing once and for, I mean drive a steak in its heart and behead the monster, or fight it for years in expensive legal battles and public relationship fights. It is sad, but others can force you into a corner, this is what is happening right now...

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Dean,
Our experience with the "Advertisers" aka manufacturers, engine builders, etc. in the battle against the $MC here in Fl. is that they don't want to get involved because they can sell their products else where in the USA! And the apathy that, "Someone else will take care of it" attitude. :eek: And also the public preception that they would be supporting the "Zealous powerboating crowd"!!!
And your point is well taken, in that, there will be $$, jobs lost!

I hate to say it, BUT, I'm afraid that there might not be that much support from these businesses that MIGHT be affected! :(

Dean

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Thanks for all the kind support.... But, we need EVERYONE on OSO to write or phone the senate. Please help us if you can.
Thanks,
Paul

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as a general rule that is how this play out, the people with the most to lose take this "someone else will do it attitude" and then let the opposition build up some creditability, so then it becomes much harder to kill off the beast later.

Consider, what would the cost have been to kill Osama in the 1990's as compared to today? There we were, this nagging problem that just kept getting worse, but we had "other interns to do" (excuse the political tirade herein) so we just let it roll until now it cost billions.

The manufacturers and vendors have the most to lose, but many will sit in silence, others if ask will say "but I am SOOOOO busy with this, that, or something else", and then the bill passes because some environmentalist whack job organizes better, and then once they win one battle, they pick another, then another, then another and before long they are a formidable force. Then the manufacturers and vendors go "HOLY SCHITE, THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY OUR INDUSTRY" and have to seriously consider the possibility of this kind of crap being passed in many places, thus diminishing the number of places they can sell their good to, making a market to small for them to stay in existence.

But of course it is a lot harder to let go of a few hundred bucks when it looks like someone else might do something than to let go of thousands when you feel your existence is on the line.

Some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

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Dean,
I couldn't agree more and I'm afraid that is what will happen.
Dean

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Look!!! A response

Here is a response from my e-mail. I just simply wrote I oppose HB162.


Subject: RE: HB162
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:56:21 -0500
From: "Eaton, Thomas" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "Joseph" <******@yahoo.com>

I do too! Thanks for the brevity.



Tom Eaton




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From: Joseph [mailto:******@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:49 AM
To: Gallus, John; Johnson, Carl; Kenney, Joseph; Boyce, Robert; Burling, Peter; Flanders, Robert; Odell, Bob; Murphy, Patrick; Eaton, Thomas; Bragdon, Peter; Gottesman, David; Foster, Joseph; Clegg, Robert; Larsen, Sylvia; Gatsas, Theodore ([email protected]); Barnes, Jack; Martel, Andre; D'Allesandro, Lou; Estabrook, Iris; Hassan, Maggie; Fuller Clark, Martha
Subject: HB162


I oppose House Bill 162.

Re: HELP !! No speed limit on NH lakes
 

Nice job.
Thank you!!!!!

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Where can I get their email addresses?

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Heres the link with all the contact info ...Please take a minute and write/email. For the good of us ALL


http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...temembers.html

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Sent another email.

E-Mail message to send senators
 

Dear Senator,


I STRONGLY oppose HB 162 and hope you will as well because of the following reasons:

The performance boating community at large supports local economies with jobs and economic development, charities with money and publicity, communities with tax revenues and stable members of them, and the state with copious amounts of tax revenues.

This bill, if passed into law, will kill this sport in our state, a sport comprised mostly of educated, intelligent, hard working members of society who pay taxes, earn far above average incomes, and have a demonstrated charitable nature.

EVERY performance boat made today is designed to safely travel at much higher speeds than the ridiculous limits in this bill, and many do not come with the equipment necessary to ensure owners, who are also voters, do not accidentally exceed these limits. This will result in good people being attacked by our state for simply enjoying themselves or a bill that simply is unenforceable.

Enforcement of this law will result in massive new spending on equipment and training for law enforcement offices.

Law enforcement officers, who are already task with much more difficult and important task, will have their attention diverted away from their very serious and important work to stop educated and intelligent people from enjoying a sport they love.

This bill will completely eliminate performance boat dealers from the state, thus reducing jobs, and increasing cost, while decreasing the tax base to pay for these things.

Performance boating attracts tourism from other states, bringing much needed revenues to areas dependent on these revenue to survive economically.

Please consider HB 162 a job killing, tax reducing, cost increasing bill designed by those who simply do not understand basic economics of this industry and what it does for our state. There are lots of other states trying to attract the performance boater, lets not give them a reason to run away from ours.

Please consider this a vote I will watch carefully and make all future voting decisions based upon. Thanks you for your consideration of this matter.

Sincerely,

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Any chance we can make this a sticky thread ?? pls

Re: E-Mail message to send senators
 

Niice! keep them coming. WE can make a difference!!!

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on the chain-o-lakes its unlimited during the day and 25 at night which is reasonable, but an hour north on lake Geneva its all bad-----speed limits 24-7.......and its all because of people who don't know how to drive responsibly. we all know the situ.. someone is out of control and goes and hits the one person who has nothing better to do but make it there purpose in life to ruin it for everyone else (there on a mission from god) :D LOL.... and the worst part is its usually the guy in the $1,500 boat who doesn't know how to drive or read buoys the causes the most problems (not the person who invests in this big $ hobby). :mad:
so if anyone sees this guy pull out the pirate flag and board em :evilb:
DOWN WITH THE LIMIT AND THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT IT!

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We have had one manufacturer step up to the plate with assistance in the fight. Thanks again to Steve at Velocity. Any more manufacturers out there???

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velocity, ummm ...(tucking that nugget away for when I buy another boat....

Thanks Steve...

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Keep E mailing!!! Every one counts!

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RADARS ON THE WATER DONT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: WE tried that!!!!!!

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Tell them.

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Dude no senator is going to listen to some 12 year old who doesnt even live in the sme state abd whose lake has a speed limit.

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Sure they will!!! There is no place that you have to tell them how old you are. Just be honest. Have you noticed your lake to be any safer? If not let them know. Don't lie, be honest.

Jon

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:rolleyes: We Love you Too..

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Yes, keep them coming!!!!

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ttt

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Email sent!

Sorry if my previous post came across too negatively, but living around that area my whole life I saw too much stupid and unnecessary BS and it really pissed me off. The way that most of the laws / ordinances are written treat people like they were children IMO...and the politicians seem to like it that way.

If this ridiculous law passed it will be a major tragedy. Unfortunately I think it has a good chance knowing the way things happen around the area... :(

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24 emails sent. one to each Senator. Lets hope more of us can get the word out to oppose HB 162!